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Geostomp posted:Neither nation is well written, but I tolerate Hoshido even less. Nohr's obsession with being as obviously evil as possible is kind of funny, while Hosido's Mary Sue-esque perfection gets old fast. I was kind of hoping for the writing to pull a Romeo and Juliet angle to this but now I am probably just as dissapointed as I would have been.
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Tae posted:What the gently caress was this plan, Garron. I don't know, sounds like this plan was triple-proofed for success. Or at least double-proofed (if Hans failed, Sword would succeed.)
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Feb 15, 2017 03:26
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I dunno, there's only one person who could have that beard in the last blurry flashback.
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Feb 16, 2017 03:30
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Garron said over the sword-phone "No Corrin, you are the demons" And then he was a dragon.
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AradoBalanga posted:The best way to explain some of the plot beats in Fates is that the writing process feels like the ending of a plot thread was written first, then the process of reaching that ending was written. I'd say that's only half the problem, with the other half being 'not enough plot development time.' It is possible to write a story ending and then fill in the steps leading to that ending (heck that's pretty much the outlining stage) but afterwards you're supposed to flesh out everything. The game hasn't given itself enough time to do that properly (timeskip over boring stuff is fine but I was expecting another battle of sorts before stuff hit the fan like this.) Like Clockwork posted:What even the gently caress is going on. King Garron's evil plan to finally end this dang stalemate that slows down his  is thus:Step 1: Kidnap the Prince of the enemy country during peace talks (bonus: kill the King too he's a non-evil prick.) Step 2: ??? (probably and why Corrin is some weird dragon-mummy-antlered thing)Step 3: Make sure said prince is strong enough to survive normal battle, then give him a Soul Edge and send him on a border mission. Step 4: Said mission is a coverup to Incite an incident on the border so that the Prince can be re-captured by the enemy by any means necessary, including subterfuge and crazy Soul Edge antics if needed. Step 5: Send Giant Zombie Golems to distract the enemy from the one that matters (who is homing in on the Soul Edge for reasons.)Step 6: Have the one that matters use the Soul Edge to kill/sufficiently injure the Queen so the barrier drops and and hostilities can begin in earnest. Now Nohr is going to invade in earnest and the introductory prologue battle will happen again and then we'll get the cutscenes and the flashbacks and oh no stable time loop! EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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While the Nohr's sure seem to have their minds in the wrong places they sure know their stats 
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Feb 22, 2017 06:01
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Omobono posted:I think the ancient gods appreciate the relaxed attitude in this case. I feel you can't not like this dude, at least in moderation. Alternatively, the ancient gods are Hippymasters Supreme and told him to chill out in the most righteous way, so he did. And now they're bros.
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Feb 27, 2017 23:01
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Kaguro looks to be the most useful ninja if only because glass cannons that can actually cannon are great. Who cares if they can't take a hit if they never get hit in the first place!?Tae posted:Unfortunately, the support writers did not get this memo when it was outsourced. DANGIT TAKUMI STOP FALLING ON STICKS BUTT FIRST!
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Mar 1, 2017 23:38
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A vote for 
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Rangpur posted:But can you make an atrocity in the eyes of Man & God if you marry him?! This is important dammit! Then where did the fish scales come from!? Corrin's not that kind of Dragon! (Karn's Fusions were fun.)
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Mar 6, 2017 01:53
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To me Camillia feels like another victim of the Nohr Idiot Stick brigade. Only with extra obsession that would be more interesting if she wasn't stuck holding the Idiot Stick (because now it's just creepy.) If I were writing this, around here would be the point that Corrin gets absolutely sick of his foster siblings schtick and directly confronts them about their lack of respect for him. Alas no. Reluctant fighting begin! Edit: Also I know Rinkah's in danger of permabenching. I wish it was Azama 
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Tae posted:
'I was young and dumb and figured out it would be stupid to walk through all of Nohr to save you. Then I saw a flying horse and got a much better idea!'  Dancer's are great to have around because the only time they're not useful is when you've messed up really hard. I keep thinking to toss Felicia on the bench but I'm reminded that 'waitaminute, she's a healer and a ninja. Two healers is good. Azama you're a third wheel, get on that bench and stay there! 'Tharja is cool because she takes 'I'm a spooky witch!' and uses it as her way of doing things rather than being all that she is. By doing things that aren't evil/spooky witch things.
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Lord Koth posted:And the refutation was more about the issue that Xander and Camilla have not, in fact, been particularly "respectful and accepting" of Corrin's choice. Xander's utterly stuck on "how dare you betray the man who kidnapped you" and Camilla's flat out crazy. There's a serious disconnect between 'I once called you Brother and loved you with all my heart' and 'Father... Evil!?' when Corrin explains his reasoning. The lack of respect here is that Xander immediately dismisses Corrin and thinks him brainwashed (acceptable under the circumstances) but doesn't go any deeper than that. There's no doubt, there's no hesitation, there's no conflicted feelings. It makes all their words of love and endearment ring kind of hollow. More of a 'I loved having another brother' rather than 'I loved having you as a brother.' At least Camillia's crazyness backs up her 'I love you' words. Hence why I find her the most interesting of the Nohr Siblings at this point.
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Hoshido seems to have a lot of the Dawn Brigade syndrome from the gamecube FE: Growths that are typically at odds with what they're typically supposed to do. And like the Dawn Brigade, it works better for some than it does for others 
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Mar 8, 2017 03:26
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Azura and Kaze
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Well when she came back and proceeded to get 4 stat ups in as many levels... Plus Dragon's are cool.
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Mar 12, 2017 00:36
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Looks like a case for some speed wings to me! Except it's true that Felica does everything she does better.
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Alternatively, Ninja tricks. I mean, how else do they eat anything beneath that mask!?
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Also a thing that seems to be happening a lot is that people are skimping on the editing. You can have a huge team of writers but you need a good team of editors who make sure everything written fits together cohesively.inthesto posted:For promotions, I say do a thing where you promote the 100% keepers (i.e. Corrin, Oboro) and put up two or three for vote. Regarding promotions, do this this is good.
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AradoBalanga posted:I will never understand how people place the blame for bad writing in any medium solely at the feet of the writer and never once consider the editor as needing to bear some of the blame. Sometimes it's because Writer and Editor are one and the same (This should only be done as a last resort. Proper self editing takes longer than having someone else do the editing.)
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Corrin, if there ever was a need for you to walk into a fire and punch some sense into someone that was it why didn't you do that now her sister with the flaming shurikens and MAG score that rivals dedicated mages is sad i don't think you want her to be sad plus you're a dragon you could have dragon-punched some sense there
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Mar 17, 2017 21:51
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Corrin X Kagero OTP: United in hitting their improbable growths far more than statistically probable! I mean, everyone else should totally go in the hat for maximum 'what' factor.
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No wonder Corrin looks like a vampire if Nohr has an affinity for darkness. It makes sense! Now why do the rest of the siblings not look like vampires? YOU SAY ONE THING AND BRING UP MORE QUESTIONS GAME
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'Wait, so this is where babies come from? With us Garon just showed up one day with a new kid in tow and we all played together.' 'Wait you mean I'm not the first to just show up in the family!?' Also considering the price of a rescue staff, Azura probably gave Leo something like, a Dragonstone++. She's been holding out on us
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blizzardvizard posted:Azama is a witty, layered character, which is more than you can say than most characters in Fates. I'll need to check those out because so far the only layer of Azama I see is 'calls everyone else out on their schtick like a dick.'
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Mar 24, 2017 01:45
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Better to have one attack stat (STR MAG) and one defense stat (DEF, RES) maxed. So they die easy but absolutely wreck things. I'd even toss them bronze weapons but dodge tanking already seems to suck in this game
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Mar 26, 2017 04:02
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Will Garon's atrocities never end!?
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I'm still trying to get Azama canned. Voting does make things randomly interesting at least.
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Rangpur posted:^^^^^^^^ Elise is ok considering the last update and that face. She's also incredibly likely to actually join us and make our party even more bipartisan. More royals! Except clearly the game doesn't want that which means she's also incredibly likely to be mind controlled into our next boss 
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Looks like someone wound Camillia back to before the last fight. Who keeps doing that!? It's not like Nohr even has Daylight Savings time!FoolyCharged posted:Give him the boots and let tank lad join his father in ignoring terrain costs. 'War! Huah! What is it good for? BLOWING THINGS UP! Yeah!' EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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FoolyCharged posted:Corrin, that's bad guy talk. You can't do that and still be the good guy. After what Iago's put us through, you can't NOT say that and be a relatable character. That might be me projecting Corrin's outbursts as him getting fed up with this game as the rest of us are though 
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Endorph posted:Because writing a video game is freaking impossible. Pretty much every possible good idea you can have inevitably gets sacrificed for the sake of gameplay, or marketing, or whatever. Fates is just an incredibly egregious example, but even games I think are well-written have more than a few moments of filler, odd pacing, or half-finished ideas. However I do agree that most games tend to get it wrong rather than right. Fates problems other than the ones brought up are: Gameplay and Story Segregation. This is a problem Fire Emblem has had forever and was only just getting out of during the Gamecube games. The story that's being told and your actions in battle don't interact all that much. Yeah you won't get certain supports or lines of dialogue if you let people die but by and large you get the same general story no matter what happens during gameplay. Games with half decent writing tend to get around this by hiding/obscuring this fact, while Fates makes it extremely blatant and noticeable. Writing by committee/proxy. Too many cooks spoil the pot, too many writers trip over each others words. Focus and purpose are important at all levels of game/software design in order to keep things in shape. Fates had that in the initial draft but then that draft was expanded far beyond it's scope (while I could believe getting 2 games worth out of it, 3 is just inane.) The animated cutscenes are pretty good though. Those are nice.
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Looks like Scarlet has here eyes on Rinkah's Bolt Axe. Also good on you Elise for putting your body where your words are. Pity you had like, a million death flags tripped by both Xander and Corrin beforehand.
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The Real Superpower Xander gained along the way was a few extra points of HP. Should have gone with strength.
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CptWedgie posted:Been wanting to say this for a long time, but savvy players will have foreseen something like this happening. After all, Dragonskin isn't exactly a skill that you give to humans, as shown by the fact that the only units who have it in Awakening are the last boss and, on higher difficulties, his second in command. Therefore, its mere presence in Garon's skill list raises serious questions about just WHAT Garon is as early as Chapter 12. Tae posted:Next update is basically the biggest in a while, so I'm gonna test creativity and ask for some female names for Corrin. Don't do something like Foreign. How about Carine then?
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Where else did Corrin get his dragon-ness from since apparently Hoshido has no dragon blood in them that let them use Dragon Veins and such? (Note that it's the Nohr siblings what make use of them the most aside from the player.) And in FE where there's one Dragon, there's always more Dragons.
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Tae posted:The Hoshidans have Dawn Dragon blood, the Nohrians have Dusk Dragon blood. See!? There's even more dragons than I thought there were! (Genuinely forgot that.)
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I already feel dumber having skimmed through this. Although wanting to hear Garon's side of the story is also understandable, so naturally everyone else is dumb about this
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The animated stuff is still on point at least! That's always neat to see.
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Tae posted:the gently caress is going on with me today That is what the lack of pants are for: to be a double distraction on top of the whole 'being a giant armored distraction' thing. Or maybe they just chafe really bad.
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