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Khanstant posted:Look I love to poo poo on FPS and make broad dismissive statements about games using it and the people who keep encouraging them to make more of them but calling them unilaterally worse than all mobas is just crazy go nuts. Outer Wilds is first person and they might never make a better videogame than that. Check this out: Outer Wilds...in 3rd person. BAM! Instantly better.
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Momentum and gravity are fun to experience in that perspective. Especially when you start moon jumping around a whole tiny planet but accelerate too much and die slamming face first into a rock wall. The main problem with FPS is the S, and the only thing you S is a camera drone/light.
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Apr 18, 2024 23:48
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No, the problem with FPS is it isn't a good representation of a body. We know our bodies and where things are in our environment without seeing them. We know where the ground is. We have peripheral vision. Our brains do tons of things so we aren't constantly crashing into things and our hands end up in the right spot. FP(anything) games do not do this well, at all. It is impossible to do, in fact. However, the third person view works fine because we can see the body on the screen doing the thing. Of course I am being hyperbolic about first person. There are applications where it works just fine. Like The Witness, or to a lesser effect, Portal. Those things share something crucial in common: they are puzzle games where the movement isn't really "playing" the game. Portal has some puzzles where light movement is required, but those are few and far between.
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Apr 19, 2024 00:02
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You're right, first person perspective doesn't work, that's why it's so unpopular
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first person platforming generally sucks because first person perspective in videogames just lacks a lot of important feedback to make it usable for stuff like that without staring at your toes 24/7 jumping around the planets in outer wilds is fine though. it's fun to explore and to go hurtling around uncontrollably in low-gravity when you get impatient and lean on the jetpack thrusters too much
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platforming in 3d games sucks regardless of the perspective
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jokes posted:Same, and it wasn't very fun. even playing it as a wc3 match devolved into screaming roommates. We ditched that poo poo for Halo and never looked back FPS is most fun when there's a movement gimmick, like the tribes jetpack or the portal gun.
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I'm a bit curious why you hate mobas with such a spitting passion, most other folk give me a wee chuckle, especially Ceasar but you post about them in such an aggressive way. I'm all for a good gimmick post but you cross the line into personal attacks a bit much.  I don't. The only time that I even remember that mobas exist is when you post in this thread to talk about how much of a hopeless dota2 junkie you are. If you think this post is full of "spitting passion" then I don't know what to say other than you have brainwormsQuarkJets posted:Mediocre
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Waltzing Along posted:Portal has some puzzles where light movement is required, but those are few and far between. Portal 1 maybe, for the first half of the game. The latter half and most of 2 are very kinetic games though, particularly once they add the gels. First person traversal has been done well heaps of times and third person can also be done poorly. And really, when I think of when I've watched someone play a 3D video game with precision it's usually with a mouse and keyboard playing a first person game.
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Those first person games where it's just jumping into walls and tiny floating obstacles using bunny hops or whatever 3d kaizo tricks to advance along a long track. Not sure what the games are called, I've just seen them as mindless footage behind someone talking about something else.
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Waltzing Along posted:No, the problem with FPS is it isn't a good representation of a body. We know our bodies and where things are in our environment without seeing them. We know where the ground is. We have peripheral vision. Our brains do tons of things so we aren't constantly crashing into things and our hands end up in the right spot. FP(anything) games do not do this well, at all. It is impossible to do, in fact. However, the third person view works fine because we can see the body on the screen doing the thing. I care more about feeling immersed as the player character in the game than I do about where my toes are Also it's the only acceptable perspective for shootin, anything else either introduces an annoyance or a crutch Devils Affricate fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Jumping Flash is the 3D platformer of the 90s that dated the least poorly. Mario 64? Camera is garbage. Crash Bandicoot? Shut up.
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Crash Bandicoot isn't even a 3D platformer. It's a 2D platformer that sometimes swaps X for Z.
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Duck and Cover posted:Soon I'll be suffering through Path of Exiles story. Why do I do it? I want to see if my Kitava's Thirst Volatile Dead Lightning Warp (it gets like 10+ casts a second of lightning warp ZOOOM) actually works. Will I get bored before I get to that point? Probably. Will I spend at least 8 hours before I say gently caress it and stop? Yeah probably. Would I be happier watching Jericho (like my third or fourth watch I think) or playing Backpack Battles? Absolutely. It's beautiful. It doesn't get 10 casts of lightning warp and no longer uses eye of innocence/replica reckless defense but it does work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOsc-s2VLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVqIu9fVIF4 Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 05:50
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"First person games just aren't immersive," I say as I play Super Mario and shmups.
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QuarkJets posted:
So you've got no sense of humour? K ignore list it is
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:I got Outer Worlds (the fallout in space ripoff) for free on Epic recently and it's fine. It just generic and cookie cutter, but it's 5/10 okay. lol the guys who made new vegas ripping off new vegas in space was a pretty firmly OK game and somehow it came out leagues better for way less money than Starfield.
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Obsidian showing up Bathesda is par for course lol
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Starfield is the only videogame less entertaining than the screensaver of the same name
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JollyBoyJohn posted:So you've got no sense of humour? K ignore list it is are you really mad that I'm not mad lol
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here's an unpopular opinion, frostpunk 2 dropped a bunch of gameplay footage and I think it looks like poo poo, i want to make a sick rear end shanty town in the snow not play at being a city councilman. i don't think that any video game has ever successfully made politics fun, it just can't be done
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Depends what you mean by "politics" and "fun"
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QuarkJets posted:are you really mad that I'm not mad lol 
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JollyBoyJohn posted:So you've got no sense of humour? K ignore list it is don't do this john
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SCheeseman posted:Jumping Flash is the 3D platformer of the 90s that dated the least poorly. Mario 64? Camera is garbage. Crash Bandicoot? Shut up. mario 64 is a full 3d game that you can complete front to back without touching the c buttons even once. it's a pretty good camera
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EightFlyingCars posted:mario 64 is a full 3d game that you can complete front to back without touching the c buttons even once. it's a pretty good camera You can complete Quake without mouselook too. A long standing question of mine was "would Mario 64 be better if it controlled more like an FPS", the question was answered thanks to clever modders. That answer is yes, therefore Mario 64's camera sucks. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Mario 64 is a game you can complete when ur like 12 and be like "eh" then never think of again
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Khanstant posted:Those first person games where it's just jumping into walls and tiny floating obstacles using bunny hops or whatever 3d kaizo tricks to advance along a long track. Not sure what the games are called, I've just seen them as mindless footage behind someone talking about something else. that's counter strike
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Devils Affricate posted:Crash Bandicoot isn't even a 3D platformer. It's a 2D platformer that sometimes swaps X for Z. Crash Bandicoot is a really unappealing character. Right at that 1996 Crossroads of Xtreme and wacky that's a huge repellent to me. He's not quite Euro-mascot gross like Rayman (prior to the origins/legends redesign) but he still sucks. No one should design platform mascots outside of Japan, or you end up with scowling in-your-face skateboarding funny animals (US) or gross looking chip-shop workers collecting titty magazines on the C64 (Europe). Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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crash bandicoot wears jorts
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:crash bandicoot wears jorts If he was a guy, he'd be a boomer hosing off his car in late July.
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Devils Affricate posted:I care more about feeling immersed as the player character in the game than I do about where my toes are I do not care about feeling immersed as the player character. I am not the player character. I want to see the cool poo poo I am making the player character do. I wanna see them running, jumping, shooting, doing rad flips and kicks to the face. Swinging that big ol hammer around. Stuff like that makes a cool video game. Having some disembodied hands wave around on the screen does not. Having the entire screen bob up and down when you move does not either
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There are some exceptions however, such as noted 1st person and cool video game: Bugsnax
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Disco Pope posted:If he was a guy, he'd be a boomer hosing off his car in late July. Wait, Crash Bandicoot is a chick!?
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Why do you think it's bandiCOOT
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If Mario was British creation, I guarantee the first Mario Bros game would be pretty much identical, but he'd have to stomp on literal poo poo/drain blockages and he'd be powered up by Lucozade or Penguin Biscuits who have sponsored the game somehow. The illustration of him on the box art would be grotesque - flabby, sweaty, cigarette dangling from filthy lips. If he was an American creation from the same period, he'd be a surfer or some poo poo and have "attitude". Just utterly hateful. He'd be doing something obnoxious with his hands on the box-art and have Dreamworks face. We need to stop making characters. It's too risky.
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Disco Pope posted:If Mario was British creation, I guarantee the first Mario Bros game would be pretty much identical, but he'd have to stomp on literal poo poo/drain blockages and he'd be powered up by Lucozade or Penguin Biscuits who have sponsored the game somehow. The illustration of him on the box art would be grotesque - flabby, sweaty, cigarette dangling from filthy lips. It'd be a DOS game and look similar to Pizza Tower.
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Disco Pope posted:
Hey I've read it a few times and am curious what DreamWorks face is
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I don't know how Orcs Must Die is a franchise of seemingly identical games all of which have 25% less content than it feels like they should but I guess I'll just keep playing em like a sucker.
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