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9-Volt Assault posted:Cant wait for them all to die, but that will probably take another 20 years or so. System Metternich posted:How affected were the Netherlands by the 2015/16 refugee crisis? How many actually came and settled there, and how did the Rutte government react to this? Back then I heard a lot about the refusal of eastern European states to admit refugees, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Netherlands. How was German policy in that regard seen/discussed? An article I cannot find right now (in Dutch) did mention that most of the "problematic" migrants in the Netherlands were from countries that had no chance of asylum (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) that had come from Germany mixed in with the refugees, and hop the border to extend their time in Europe. Since they get (re)processed here, the authorities find out they've been registered in Germany, and Dublin them back there, which takes extra time.
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System Metternich posted:How affected were the Netherlands by the 2015/16 refugee crisis? How many actually came and settled there, and how did the Rutte government react to this? Back then I heard a lot about the refusal of eastern European states to admit refugees, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Netherlands. How was German policy in that regard seen/discussed? -By doing nothing and allowing Wilders and his lies to fester and grow -See previous
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We had so few refugees that we closed down a lot of the places that were opened to give them a temporary place to stay.
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This election cycle just depresses me so very much. Unless something very odd happens, we'll get VVD/CDA/D66 + ? in government and it'll be another 5 years of neoliberal stasis, pension protection and tax haven-ism. On the uptick, if Wilders wins, at least I don't live in Holland anymore. I really wish the SP would boot out Roemer already; he's just not getting the job done and his whole 'happy Southerner' shtick has been bugging me for too long. I tried to read Jesse Klaver's On the lighter side, anyone here who isn't following the 'Millenials of Jesse' Facebook page is really missing out.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the English translation of this is: "What do I look for in a party leader? Someone who is like my equal, but in reality is my superior. Someone who blows a vanilla vape cloud in my face as he explains to me economics is so 2015." System Metternich posted:How affected were the Netherlands by the 2015/16 refugee crisis? How many actually came and settled there, and how did the Rutte government react to this? Back then I heard a lot about the refusal of eastern European states to admit refugees, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Netherlands. How was German policy in that regard seen/discussed? http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/02/84503-2/ quote:The report shows that the Netherlands approved 70% of the refugee applications made in the first nine months of last year, compared with a EU average of 47%. In 2014, the figures were 67% to 45%. But more refugees in the Netherlands come from countries where they are likely to be granted asylum, the WODC said. Last year, 32% of the refugees who came to Holland were from Syria, compared with 19% in the EU as a whole. And 91% of them go on to become official refugees. Corrected for country of origin, just 35% of refugee requests in the Netherlands are honoured. Bulgaria is the most generous, with a 51% acceptance rate and Greece the toughest. Athens recognises just 24% of asylum seekers as refugees. The Netherlands is actually a lot tougher for refugees to get admission to compared to places like Germany, Sweden and Belgium. Here's a good video about a Syrian refugee starting over in the Netherlands: https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/474393/starting-over-in-the-netherlands/ Here is the latest seat projection based on a 20 February TNS NIPO poll: PVV 28 VVD 25 D66 19 CDA 18 GL 16 PvdA 11 SP 11 50+ 9 CU 6 PvdD 3 SGP 3 Other 1 As someone else said, the big news right now is a security leak that has led Wilders to cancel some events. In fact, a Dutch security official meant to protect Wilders has been arrested on suspicion of leaking his location to a Moroccan criminal gang. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-wilders-idUSKBN1621MV quote:Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders, who is leading polls ahead of next month's election, said on Wednesday he had canceled all public campaign events after an agent involved in his security team was suspended. Here's an interesting article in Bloomberg about the Forum for Democracy, a minor right-wing party that I'd add next to the OP: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-22/the-dutch-election-is-about-more-than-nationalism quote:The Dutch populist revolt and the rise of Wilders are often described as a rebellion of older, less educated, more economically challenged voters -- just the way the Donald Trump movement was described in the U.S. There is some truth to that, but there's also more to it, just like there was with Trump: A feeling of disconnection between the ruling elite and the people, a desire for more participation in how decisions are made. Some other headlines, in Dutch: "Inclusion party" DENK is accused of being authoritarian with its supporters and divisive over its attacks on non-DENK politicians of immigrant backgrounds (in Dutch) Satirical article about working class people dealing with the taboo of voting for D66 (in Dutch) The CDA leader denies that he would support a coalition with left-wing parties despite sharing similar positions on social services and labor protections (in Dutch) The Labour leader calls Amsterdam an "amusement park for the rich" (in Dutch) The chairman of the 50 Plus party has criticized leader Henk Krol for lying about how much it would cost to lower the retirement age (in Dutch) Panama Red fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Should I be skeptical of this very conveniently timed story of why Wilders wasn't at the debate, and also the Muslims are after him? It seems to re-confirm his status etc at a time when he's nosediving in the polls.quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the English translation of this is: "What do I look for in a party leader? Someone who is like my equal, but in reality is my superior. Someone who blows a vanilla vape cloud in my face as he explains to me economics is so 2015." That's correct, yeah. But Klaver's 'economisme' is better translated to 'babby's first critique of neoliberalism, but not really but because I don't want to scare the voters'.
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Panama Red posted:
am i reading this right, 12 parties?
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It's a poor harvest this year, I agree.
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TheIllestVillain posted:am i reading this right, 12 parties? Only 12 with projected seats, there are 28 running. We are the king of the splinter party hill.
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Where's the Partij voor de Genocide? Blow the levees and return the Netherlands to the sea i m o
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# ? Feb 23, 2017 17:42 |
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Geert Wilders with a fish tail and wildly floating hair complaining about land-based culture
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# ? Feb 23, 2017 17:47 |
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All these albacore coming over here, taking advantage of our bleached coral while honest, normal herring are suffering!
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R. Mute posted:Where's the Partij voor de Genocide? Blow the levees and return the Netherlands to the sea i m o Forum voor Democratie is the Partij voor de Genocide, except in a more Nazi kind of way.
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Hambilderberglar posted:Where's the original Klaver statements on how lovely his neighbourhood was? The entire vogelaarwijk program was a wash. There were no objective criteria for appointing them and they were conveniently spread out around the country. It was just politics. I've lived in two. I've also lived in worse neighborhoods that never got any money. System Metternich posted:How affected were the Netherlands by the 2015/16 refugee crisis? How many actually came and settled there, and how did the Rutte government react to this? Back then I heard a lot about the refusal of eastern European states to admit refugees, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Netherlands. How was German policy in that regard seen/discussed? Holland kind of won the race to the bottom when it came to refugee benefits. We didn't get many until Germany got too full and we took in some overflow. Their largest impact was amazingly bad PR for the government by housing 1400 of them in bungalows near a village of 400.
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Junior G-man posted:Only 12 with projected seats, there are 28 running. We are the king of the splinter party hill. That's Weimar level. So, when can we expect some belgian Immigrant to proclaim himself dictator?
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Economisme is a made up word to attempt to talk about the problems with capitalism without using any Marxist terminology. If it was a political trick to make Marxist critique mainstream then that'd be fine, but instead it's what happens when reading Piketty is the furthest extent of critical analysis.
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you feelin fucky posted:The entire vogelaarwijk program was a wash. There were no objective criteria for appointing them and they were conveniently spread out around the country. It was just politics. I've lived in two. I've also lived in worse neighborhoods that never got any money. There's persistent talk of a deep seated drug milieu, but nobody bothers me when I go shopping so I'm not sure why I should give a poo poo. I just find it funny someone from such a bucolic little town like Roosendaal is holding court on social deprivation in the Netherlands.
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Panama Red posted:Here is the latest seat projection based on a 20 February TNS NIPO poll: 9 seats for the boomer party jesus christ
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Man I wonder how long it'll take to form a coalition at this rate It'll have to be some 5 party monster too most likely.
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Panama Red posted:Here is the latest seat projection based on a 20 February TNS NIPO poll: D66 (19), CDA(18) GL (16), PvdA (11), SP, (11), [PvdD (3)]. 75-[78]/150 VVD(25), D66 (19), CDA (18), 50+ (9), SGP/CU (9). 80/150 E: VVD (25), D66 (19), CDA (18), PvdA (11) = 73/150. Paars 3.0? I can't find any combination of these that includes the PVV, has a majority and is actually likely to happen, unless the VVD caves. Bottom seems more likely likely but I am also just Some Guy and these polls are probably not gonna be anything like the result. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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The Dutch have the best political terms. I wanna open a restaurant named Boze Burger
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For burger restaurant based puns nothing will ever beat "burgertrut".
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quote:In moves to attract right-leaning voters, the CDA called for the introduction of short-term military service for young people while Labor said Dutch people should be “proud of the Netherlands again.” Yes, this is what is going to get people to vote for them. Compulsory military service and vague nationalism http://www.politico.eu/article/nexit-raises-its-head-in-first-dutch-election-debate-cda-sybrand-buma-mark-rutte-geert-wilders/
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When being a Muslim is illegal in the Netherlands, I'm totally gonna cross the border to get arrested gently caress yeah
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The Puppet Master posted:Yes, this is what is going to get people to vote for them. Compulsory military service and vague nationalism
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According to the latest De Stemming poll, the PVV and VVD are tied in expected seats, as of 28 February: PVV 22 VVD 22 CDA 19 D66 17 SP 16 GL 15 PvdA 12 CU 7 PvdD 7 50+ 5 SGP 4 Other 4 Some polls even have Wilders' PVV losing to the ruling VVD: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-a7605106.html quote:The party of far-right Dutch candidate Geert Wilders has slipped to second place in the Peilingwijzer poll of polls with two weeks to go until a parliamentary election. In other good news Rutte said his party will never govern again with the PVV in a coalition: http://www.nu.nl/verkiezingen-2017/4506297/rutte-wil-nooit-meer-regeren-met-pvv.html (in Dutch) For some loving reason Wilders and D66 leader Alexander Pechtold were asked what their favorite rides were at Efteling, a fantasy-themed amusement park in Kaatsheuvel in the Netherlands. Wilders said his favorite was a ride that takes you through a dream world of forests, castles, fairies, trolls and other fairy-tale-like creatures and scenes. Pechtold prefers a boat ride with a 1001 Arabian Nights theme. http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/27716693/___Wilders_durft_niet_in_Fata_Morgana___.html (in Dutch) BTW Pechtold is receiving death threats after Wilders tweeted a fake photo of Pechtold at a political Islamic rally: http://politiek.tpo.nl/2017/03/01/alexander-pechtold-d66-bedreigd-nadat-wilders-gefotoshopte-foto-mij-twitterde/ (in Dutch) Meanwhile the Labour Party remains on course for a historic defeat for them, even while the party continues to act as though nothing is wrong, everything is fine, and Asscher will be prime minister: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/02/28/voor-asscher-dringt-de-tijd-7048182-a1548161 (in Dutch) The VVD deleted references to climate change from their election following criticism from climate change skeptics: https://www.trouw.nl/groen/vvd-schrapt-zin-over-klimaat-uit-verkiezingsprogramma-na-kritiek-klimaatsceptici~a401a357/ (in Dutch) 50+ leader Henk Krol has no idea how he could pay for his plans for reforming the health care system, after the budget office said his proposals would cost 8.2 billion euros: http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/krol-heeft-geen-flauw-idee-waar-hij-zorgplannen-50plus-van-gaat-betalen~a9fe03c0/ (in Dutch) Panama Red fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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I hate the VVD so loving much and yet I'm impressed by how they can make jobless and poor people think they are a great party to vote for. Left wing parties can really learn a thing or two from them about effectively communicating your message.
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I still don't trust the VVD - they could do another minority government with PVV backbench support and they'd still not 'technically' be in government. Also, Rutte's statement in that nu.nl article pretty much translates to 'strategic voting my way, please!'
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The last I heard of Henk Krol's idiot plans was that he had a lot of them, but wouldn't share how he was going to pay for them until after the election. This country is a slow motion tire fire sometimes.
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Hambilderberglar posted:The last I heard of Henk Krol's idiot plans was that he had a lot of them, but wouldn't share how he was going to pay for them until after the election. This country is a slow motion tire fire sometimes. To be fair I don't get the idea of ramping up pension age during a period of structural unemployment and making it easier to fire people while those over 55 have like a 10% chance to ever get hired again. It seems to me were just making holland a neoliberal wonderland where at age 50 you are either written off as a member of society, or get to buy your 3rd house. It's not stopping people from voting VVD though, so I guess it's what we deserve.
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you feelin fucky posted:To be fair I don't get the idea of ramping up pension age during a period of structural unemployment and making it easier to fire people while those over 55 have like a 10% chance to ever get hired again. It seems to me were just making holland a neoliberal wonderland where at age 50 you are either written off as a member of society, or get to buy your 3rd house. It's not stopping people from voting VVD though, so I guess it's what we deserve. The hardon this country has for old people is myopic when young graduates enter the labour force with a mountain of debt, a plethora of lovely contracts and an inability to actually put down roots in those wonderful cities they had the enjoyment of studying in. (fine print applies, DUO will suck up a chunk of your income for the better part of a decade but enjoy living in a vinexwijk or sacrificing yourself at the altar of the ever-affordable "Vrije Sector" and drop 700 a month on a glorified studio of 25m2. And pray to jebus you make that 3.5/4x monthly rent as income, or 40* the monthly rent, or whatever asinine requirements they have.)
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Hambilderberglar posted:Ah yes the poor elderly, living large on the tax contributions of the young who get hired at a fraction of the wages that they once did in a time where hilariously loose credit requirements got them into a housing market that's now appreciated beyond affordability for anyone who didn't buy back then. I do occasionally tell my parents that the best thing in economic terms would be for all of them to be shot in the head and buried in the dunes. They don't know that I'm 50% serious.
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Junior G-man posted:I do occasionally tell my parents that the best thing in economic terms would be for all of them to be shot in the head and buried in the dunes. They don't know that I'm 50% serious. Besides, I don't think the dune grasses would much like the infusion of nutrients and then the sand blows away and we all drown.
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Hambilderberglar posted:It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people. I will also accept some sort of Soylent Gouda as an alternative and more eco-friendly solution. Besides, we might need to kill 200.000 Dutch cows this year because NL is so ridiculously far beyond the EU's phosphate emission standards. So if we already have killing floors set up, may as well re-use.
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Junior G-man posted:I will also accept some sort of Soylent Gouda as an alternative and more eco-friendly solution. 200.000 out of 4 million cows too. The amount of livestock in this country is grossly excessive, and I can't tell if it's a tragedy or an insufficiently harsh culling. Perhaps with the revisiting of the water strategy and giving up on the idea of building on flood plains they can return some of the grazing land to a more natural state after they drum the last recalcitrant NIMBY idiots out of their houses.
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It's because we were (up to now) quite good at getting a massive exemption from the EU on our nitrogen and phosphate emissions, but now that the EU and NL are signed up to the Paris Climate Agreement and Sustainable Development Goals, the EC is taking a much dimmer view than they used to. Have some context: quote:Dutch dung overload raises specter of massive cull We crashed this car with our eyes wide open, it's amazing. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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Hambilderberglar posted:Ah yes the poor elderly, living large on the tax contributions of the young who get hired at a fraction of the wages that they once did in a time where hilariously loose credit requirements got them into a housing market that's now appreciated beyond affordability for anyone who didn't buy back then. Indeed the elderly come in one kind, just like young graduates come in one kind. The kind I know get at least one job offer without sending a cv, but they just might have to shop around if they want a company car or if they have a foreign sounding name. They certainly don't have any trouble dropping a quarter of their income on a nice apartment in the city center. Or maybe there might be differences within age groups? And maybe, just maybe, the current measures are only going to increase those differences? We've gone from an expansive early retirement program to adding an extra 5 years, while companies think the elderly are grossly overpayed, unless they are of the highly educated kind. Guess what happens next?
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Junior G-man posted:It's because we were (up to now) quite good at getting a massive exemption from the EU on our nitrogen and phosphate emissions, but now that the EU and NL are signed up to the Paris Climate Agreement and Sustainable Development Goals, the EC is taking a much dimmer view than they used to. quote:“In 2006 we knew that we had a phosphate ceiling, in 2008 … we knew that milk quotas would end,” Dutch Liberal MEP Jan Huitema said.”In a way, we all in the Netherlands did not act appropriately.” quote:Recognizing that it was facing a calamity, the dairy sector late last year proposed its own solution: Feed companies volunteered to cut phosphate levels in their products, while milk processors suggested penalizing farmers who produced over a certain limit. I sympathize with farmers over their bargaining power issues with supermarkets, and the dairy price squeeze in general (I'm sure the oversupply of dairy cows has NOTHING to do with this) but they're making it hard to read their complaints as anything but tone deaf whining over the consequences of having gorged themselves on expanding their herd.
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Hambilderberglar posted:Ah yes the poor elderly, living large on the tax contributions of the young who get hired at a fraction of the wages that they once did in a time where hilariously loose credit requirements got them into a housing market that's now appreciated beyond affordability for anyone who didn't buy back then.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvEK_l6Hlk Unfortunately only in Dutch, but for those of us it's well worth watching. Jan Roos is such a bargain basement Wilders.
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