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Don't forget Dad getting so horribly depressed he abandons you with Grandma. That stood out a lot to me too! Also, remember we've seen approximately 10-15 minutes of this game, so there's a lot to come!
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Also OFS showed off that there's a level 70 boss with Overheat, Contrary, choice scarf and base 181 special attack which is loving insane.
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VagueRant posted:This all seems incredibly inoffensive so far? Like it's basically just a Pokemon game. But because it's a fangame it's got a few wonky bits (like the tree placement), ugly sprites and it goes for some cheap meme jokes (like virtually every other fangame)? The main issue with this hack are the bad design choices. Everything else is either kinda subjective or a lack of polish that fangames/ROM hacks are just probably not going to have. If the game played fine, I think it wouldn't be all too terrible, though it still would be too tryhard edgy. Unfortunately, it has all of the above, so blech. The bad design decisions do not stop with the watering can (I didn't even realize that) and some of them get pretty indefensible later so look forward to them Color Printer fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 23:50
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Wait, did Uranium flat out make it so that the trees can't grow without water? In the Pokemon games, the trees still grew. You just couldn't get as many berries without watering them. It's still dumb because there's no good reason to restrict that item to the post-game.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Wait, did Uranium flat out make it so that the trees can't grow without water? In the Pokemon games, the trees still grew. You just couldn't get as many berries without watering them. No it still works like that.
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Commander Keene posted:EarthBound does that, and still manages to be a good game. What's neat is that Creatures Inc., one of the companies that works on the Pokemon series, was formerly Ape Inc., the main guys behind Earthbound. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
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VagueRant posted:This all seems incredibly inoffensive so far? Like it's basically just a Pokemon game. But because it's a fangame it's got a few wonky bits (like the tree placement), ugly sprites and it goes for some cheap meme jokes (like virtually every other fangame)? As you said, right now it's just kind of there. A little on the slow, laggy side, but even Tie was still hesitantly optimistic this early in. I don't think people would be quite as critical of it if this was how deep the rabbit hole went, though.
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Boy some of these new pokemon look like they came straight outta neopets.
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My line of thinking on the "oh it's not so bad" response is the following. Sure, the watering can is not really a big deal on its own, but if they were willing to lock something as small and innocuous as that behind the postgame, what else do you think they have squirrelled away? The people who made that decision *also* designed the rest of the game. For the record I played like two gyms of this myself and then watched Tie play the rest, so I am well aware of what it pulls.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
Slick looking maybe, but it somehow manages to be the only Pokémon game (at least that I can think of) that doesn't show all your moves at once, which is just inconvenient. I feel like Tie's Uranium stream just scratched the surface in terms of bizarre design decisions this game has, so I'm incredibly interested in finding out what else is in here.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:I feel like Tie's Uranium stream just scratched the surface in terms of bizarre design decisions this game has, so I'm incredibly interested in finding out what else is in here. Same. I'm also curious to know what the bug someone mentioned Tie had to deal with was, unless that's a spoiler, in which case save it for when it's relevant I guess.
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Nighthand posted:Same. I'm also curious to know what the bug someone mentioned Tie had to deal with was, unless that's a spoiler, in which case save it for when it's relevant I guess. From the change log, version 1.0.4: quote:Battle: Held items will no longer make your opponent take more damage (Please send through any feedback you may have on this one to further help testing) So since they almost always held items, because why wouldn't you, Tie's pokemon were taking an extra beating. I'm on version 1.1 so that wasn't an issue for me.
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Just wanted to say that I also appreciated this bit, OFS.
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krisslanza posted:I'm sure the mom will be revealed to be alive, but turned into some kind of horrific radioactive mutant Pokemon. That you will capture in a Pokeball and use to engage in battle, naturally. Unit-01! I choose you!
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Aesculus posted:I hope you don't tell anyone about this, the developers of these pokemon fangames are so hillariously Wat. Seriously. WAT?  Jesus christ. Shutting down your IRC is one thing. Making god drat loving -safe spaces- to control any and all criticism is even loving worse. gently caress, that's nost just shooting yourself in the foot. That's blowing your own god drat head off in front of everyone like some sort of macabre show and tell.
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Kemix posted:Wat. Seriously. WAT? This sort of hugbox mindset has permeated fanworks for ages, possibly longer than the internet was around to hold the negative opinions. If you're familiar with game modding at all, you likely know about the Nexus's terms of service, which amount to "speaking poorly about a mod is a bannable offense".
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KataraniSword posted:This sort of hugbox mindset has permeated fanworks for ages, possibly longer than the internet was around to hold the negative opinions. If you're familiar with game modding at all, you likely know about the Nexus's terms of service, which amount to "speaking poorly about a mod is a bannable offense". I never see the point in speaking poorly about someone's mods anyway. Reminds me anytime I check Total War mods, and if there's a single mod that adds female soldiers to it, the comments are pages and pages long of people saying "Your mod is stupid and ahistorical, remove this crap".
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krisslanza posted:I never see the point in speaking poorly about someone's mods anyway. Reminds me anytime I check Total War mods, and if there's a single mod that adds female soldiers to it, the comments are pages and pages long of people saying "Your mod is stupid and ahistorical, remove this crap". There is a difference between "your product is bad and you should feel bad" and "I have problems with this" or even "there are technical flaws with this that could be fixed to improve performance" but in these situations all three are perfectly equivalent with regards to reaction.
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krisslanza posted:I never see the point in speaking poorly about someone's mods anyway. The same point in "speaking poorly" about anything? So they know what doesn't work so it can be improved. Making criticism a bannable offense is just such a weird idea.
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KataraniSword posted:There is a difference between "your product is bad and you should feel bad" and "I have problems with this" or even "there are technical flaws with this that could be fixed to improve performance" but in these situations all three are perfectly equivalent with regards to reaction. Aah. Yeah, okay thats a bit different. The first one is what I figured Nexus doesn't want to see, where as the other two are valid. I guess some people can't even handle constructive criticism at all.
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I seem to remember some mod for ...I think Fallout 4 that was a gun that had waaaay to many polygons. Some goon pointed this out and was blocked from downloading the mod, because that's a thing that can happen on the Nexus apparently.
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I've played this game for a while but had to drop it by mid game when the grind just got a bit too much to stomach. Honestly I don't feel like this game is that bad or maybe I just never got to the really bad bits. Either way, I'm glad someone else can finish this so I don't have to. 
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Dominicius posted:had to drop it by mid game when the grind just got a bit too much to stomach These two statements don't seem like they go together. 
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Straight White Shark posted:These two statements don't seem like they go together. "I can see the appeal of this but there's a little too much focus on grinding levels for me to enjoy it" isn't entirely self-contradictory; it's a pretty common thing to hear for why people don't get too into the Dragon Quest games, for example.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Slick looking maybe, but it somehow manages to be the only game (at least that I can think of) that doesn't show all your moves at once, which is just inconvenient. I was going to mention this as well- Uranium managed to gently caress up one of the most timeless elements of the Pokémon franchise: the user interface. Pokémon , for all its faults, had the interface down perfectly from the word "go." Not only was it able to convey a large amount of information on screen at one time using simple but effective design elements, but it was able to do so without looking overly-cluttered or having to completely cram everything together or spacing information out through multiple screens. Like compare these:    To this:    Notice anything? For one, the actual battle screen is a confusing mess. I think I see what they were trying to go for: a single-screen version of the DS generations, where big colorful buttons exist on the bottom screen to be ogled and pressed , and the actual battle screen plays out on the top. Problem is, not a single Pokémon game has forced you to scroll through your attacks to be able to even see all of your choices. Then again, the game technically does this with the dumb as gently caress "affinity quiz" at the beginning, which prevents you from seeing the starter you chose until you actually chose it. Even Tie's LP pointed out how loving awful of a feature this is. These is no world where this design element makes sense. Then comes the HP and XP bars. Why the are they so big? Why does the XP bar look like the HP bars of previous games? It hurts to even stare at for a short amount of time, and takes up an unnecessary amount of space. poo poo, look at the pause interface in the overworld- look at how well laid out it is in the actual games. Everything is neatly packed into an easy to understand corner (since it's a loving kids game), and has a neat little description that explains what each button does (since it's a loving kids game). Like, I get that this is  as hell, but would it kill them to actually understand good interface design, especially when the entire series this is apeing did it 100% better before them?
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lol I remember the Pokemon subreddit was SO hype for Uranium, but then all these details I read about it made it sound TERRIBLE. also, the Pokemon designs I've seen so far suck, and if the 'mons aren't cool, what is even the point? by contrast, Pokemon Sage, another fan-made Pokemon game, albeit one that's still a work in progress, does have good designs. Not great, but it's a consistent design aesthetic. It's just that obviously there weren't going to be any particularly talented character designers among the kind of people that would think "Nuclear" is a good idea for a Pokemon type. Or that gating the watering can behind completion of the main story is a sane design decision.
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I always laugh when I see fan designs for Pokemon, they are almost always awful. They have the special ability to be both blatant ripoffs and completely different than what you'd expect to see in a Pokemon game at the same time. So far, these have not disappointed. I'm curious to see which of the real Pokemon made it into the game. I'm guessing it will be the "cool" ones like Mewtwo, Garchomp, and Tyranitar, but maybe I'll be surprised. It's so strange to have a romhack so based on an existing franchise, but then change so many of the things fundamental to said series. Like, just take the extra step and make it an RPG Maker game inspired by Pokemon. I guess it would be a lot of work to change the moves, but does anyone really want to play a Pokemon game where most of the Pokemon were replaced by other ones that will never appear outside of said game? Even when a new generation rolls around in actual Pokemon, you theoretically will have access to all the older Pokemon eventually.
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I have never played Pokemon. This seems like an excellent introduction to the franchise.
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ohmygorgon posted:Like, just take the extra step and make it an RPG Maker game inspired by Pokemon. That's... literally what this is?
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Kurui Reiten posted:That's... literally what this is? No, this is still attempting to be a Pokemon game. I mean stripping anything Pokemon out, but still using Pokemon mechanics. Basically an even more direct ripoff of Pokemon than Digimon, Yokai Watch, or what have you.
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Epsilon Moonshade posted:I have never played Pokemon. There are such wonders that await you and anyone else unfamiliar with this really bad game
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quote:functioning online servers Wait wait wait wait wait, don't tell me. There are trade evos in this game, aren't there.
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PBJ posted:Like, I get that this is This is not you're totally right. I don't understand how long time pokemon fans could make this UI.Also I keep thinking the green HP bar is part of the UI background.
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ohmygorgon posted:Basically an even more direct ripoff of Pokemon than Digimon, Yokai Watch, or what have you.  The original digital pets that began the Digimon franchise actually predate Pokemon Red and Green, and both were in development at the same time, so it's impossible to say one ripped off the other. If anything, both of them ripped off Shin Megami Tensei, considered by many to be the progenitor of the "mon" genre.
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Waffleman_ posted:
It's all tamagotchis anyway.
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It's all a ripoff of Animal Husbandry when you really think about it
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One of the important things to mention about the UI is WHY it's so important to show all the moves. "Ok charmelaeiouion use fire blast!" "use fire blast" "use fire blast" "use fire blast" "wow I might as well just put this in my first slot and never use anything else, fireblast fireblast fireblast fireblast" In comes hitmonpunchyouinthefaceandkillyou well what option do you have, fireblast is in big bold letters in the center of the screen and that's what you're so used to using you just don't care, you'll kill him in one shot you then get ded Your fourth move that you never use? Will o' wisp, the "burn and also reduce the atk of your opponent by half" move that is amazing but doesn't do damage, which might have reduced his atk enough to survive and not die. Presenting all the options at the same time is a way of reminding the player that these things that they have that they never use exists so they have a CHANCE of being used in opportune situations. Presenting one just makes them completely forgotten about. Edit: good summary actually, looks pretty, form has to follow function though Forer fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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