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RE: Fairies beat Dragons: the theory I have is that Fairy type also represents old fairy tales, and guess what happens to dragons in those? Alternately, they showed up starting with poke-France, where noted Dragonslayer Lancelot came from, and he was said to have been raised by fairies, though that's a theory I saw once and thought was kind of neat.
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Fairies beat dragons because fairies are sparkly and dragons like sparkly things, which causes them to lower their guard and allow the fairies a surprise attack.
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Feb 18, 2017 06:50
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Straight White Shark posted:Nope, bug bing awful offensively is pretty much just for flavor reasons. Historically bug tends to have bad stats and weak attacks, so facing so many resistances is just kicking them while they're down. To be fair, Bug also has some great resistances, and being Super-Effective against Psychic and Dark does help to secure a solid niche. It's been a loooong time since I've played competitively, but I always had a lot of success with Bug-Types like Scizor and Yanmega.
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Ashsaber posted:Alternately, they showed up starting with poke-France, where noted Dragonslayer Lancelot came from, and he was said to have been raised by fairies, though that's a theory I saw once and thought was kind of neat. Yep that's probably what the developers were thinking when they added the Fairy type. 
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Feb 18, 2017 07:38
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Acebuckeye13 posted:To be fair, Bug also has some great resistances, and being Super-Effective against Psychic and Dark does help to secure a solid niche. It's been a loooong time since I've played competitively, but I always had a lot of success with Bug-Types like Scizor and Yanmega. Yeah, Bug is still an incredibly desirable type offensively.
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Feb 18, 2017 07:39
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Fairy is literally just "magic type" and magic beats dragons, y'all are thinking way too hard about this Also there was creepy pokedex entry chat a couple of pages back but nobody posted my favorite one: Jellicent's Black/Y/AS entry posted:The fate of the ships and crew that wander into Jellicent's habitat: all sunken, all lost, all vanished. Mustache kraken!
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Uranium uses "their" and such for the protagonist's pronouns. It may be accommodating having a gender-neutral option, or it may be not wanting to program three separate versions of lines. I'm not sure how much of each it is. It wouldn't be too difficult to account for the different genders, you wouldn't really have to write multiple lines pronouns-wise. It would work out like this: Reserve an "Actor" to be the gender pronoun When you select the character, have the event also change the Actor's name to that gender's pronoun When writing dialogue use \N[<Actor'sID> Be sure to write all dialogue to assume the longest pronoun is used so you wont run into spacing issues I've spent far too long in RPGmaker, maybe one day I'll actually finish a game  Also holy poo poo that overheat thing 
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Feb 18, 2017 08:16
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With all of the Pokedex chat, I'm now genuinely curious about the entries in this fangame. With how Shadow the Hedgehog the writing is, I can only imagine at least some of those must be hilarious.
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The best Pokedex is in the World of Final Fantasy "So why is it called a "reaver mu"? Well, kids, that's because it was mistranslated in that other game. However, the idea of a cute, fluffy river Mirage plundering Grymoire that we decided "what the hey!". And that's how mistakes live forever." "That floating ruby is actually part of the carbuncle's body, and is used to unleash a variety of attacks. This cutie dreams of being a truckbuncle or trainbuncle...but never something so dreadfully ordinary as a planebuncle. (Get it? Plain/Plane? It's funny.)" Copper Golem: "Composed almost entirely of copper, this metal with the mettle takes pride in his tough hide. It is incredibly satisfying to face one of these and shout, "Myeeah, see! You'll never take me alive, copper!" (if you got that reference, then congratulations! You are old!)" "Cogna. A chocobo made entirely of what appears to be machinery. This was the producer's idea and the artist approved, which means it's canon right down to the cannons." "A nine-tailed terror also known as the "black fox". Technically, it has one tail and eight butt-swords, but let's not nitpick"
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OFS, please update before this thread finishes its dread metamorphosis into an offshoot of the actual thread in games, like every other pokemon lp
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 Route 2 has this... thing. What is it  That helps. rofl no it does not help  Someone suggested Bob, someone else suggested Dennis. She's Bob Dennis. Like Geodude or Roggenrola she has a resistance to normal when most things only have normal moves, but unlike them, she's part steel so she's immune to poison and might as well be immune to normal and flying.  So this Hiker has his own Barewl next to him.  Hence why he leads with a Mankey. Hey, an official Pokemon!   Most of my things are light enough that Low Kick isn't any stronger than any other moves we've been seeing, but Bob Dennis is so heavy it'd reach 100 power. Throw in her x4 fighting weakness and it'd paste her. Low Kick is in general a really good move as things tend to get heavier as they evolve, so it stays relevant the whole time. There are outliers of course.  What's the likelihood it's blocked right now?  100%.  So we have to go through the cave. Let's take a step in and-  Hi, another official pokemon!  Dunsparce has a secret to it, Uranium gave it an evolution! But it's really far away so this guy will wait until then.  This is me realizing I'm not dealing with Nintendo's word filters, so I can include words like sex and gently caress and get away with it.  5% encounter on route 2 is Mankey itself. This is the only fighting-type Pokemon available before the 1st gym.  Memes.  Most encounters in Passage Cave are this fuckwit.  It has a high speed stat and levitate and like no other assets.  I don't know what this person was thinking with this nickname but it's whatever they want!  Sturdy used to just prevent instant-KO moves like Fissure and Horn Drill from working, but in 5th generation it gained another effect. If a move would deal 100% damage in one hit, the Sturdy thing survives at 1 HP. Extremely useful, extremely annoying.  Unfortunately I condemn him to another eon in the cave.  ANNOYING THING: the encounter rate is ludicrous. Like 2-5 steps there's another Tonemy flying into your loving face. If it weren't for repels this would make me question living. ANOTHER ANNOYING THING:   They have two moves basically designed to inflict poison. Between their high speed and having only psychic as a weakness, they're guaranteed to get a few of these off. Bob Dennis is immune due to being Steel, as an Orchynx would be too. Everything else is gonna have to guzzle antidotes.  Uranium keeps trying to do bad meta jokes with random trainers.  They never, ever pay off.  Luckily we're out of the cave and into Nowtoch City. PU-Nowtoch City.ogg It's a remix of Goldenrod City from Gold & SIlver. I didn't replace most non-battle music because I didn't really care.  Get it? Because he... uh... says the location's name but he's employed to do so?  GOOD: Uranium copies the use another repel feature introduced in Black 2 & White 2. ALSO GOOD: it lets you select which kind of repel if you have regular, super, and max repels.  The Pokemon Center is really close to the route 2 entrance. This'd be a clever subversion if Uranium normally put Pokemon Centers in sane locations.  Is this how you pronounce Barewl? Most Uranium Pokemon don't have pronunciation guides.  201 individual Pokemon species are defined in the game. If the number seems odd, that's because it's odd.  No awakenings for sale, here or at Kevlar. But Ice Heals gotta be in from the start because... uh...  Uranium thankfully has TMs be infinite use as they have been since Black & White.   Not a hot one to start things off! The coinflip do/don't do something isn't reliable, and it's based on user and target both staying in the fight, so it's really easy to break.  but I'm hungry   Name Rater is here. He can change a Pokemon's nickname.  Why is a couple discussing raising kids a recurring element?  There's already a kid upstairs, what is this!? I need the old rod to get my own Fortog, and even then I can't nickname the Baashaun so I never bother with this trade.  geddit??????? is this supposed to be a funny? isn't the origin of dragonites high-level dragonairs?  How mysterious.  The other side of Route 2 is to the south. Grass is the same as before if you need a Mankey.  There are a few trainers here.  They seem to be leveled as though I've already cleared the gym, which is kinda rude to have out in the open this early.  Bob Dennis's x4 resistances carry the day.  When we get to the other side of the roadblock, a Ranger greets us.  He gives a giant spiel about how the styler works in case you needed to be assured it's harmless and in good faith and not some hosed up mind control device.   You make your own Pokemon game and you still have Captivate as a TM. Why?  The Ranger stations keep teasing being able to take on missions but it never happens. Is this something they plan on introducing or obtuse references to the Pokemon Ranger games? Besides brainwashing with tops, the Rangers perform all front-facing government functions i.e. emergency releif and law enforcement. This means we'll be dealing with the Rangers a lot. It's odd how much this game loves them.  The subway will not open until after the 4th gym.  In front of a gym is a fatso, who says the gym leader Maria is not in.  She's home and he's a legitimate threat to her well-being.  And he has a copy of her house key. What the gently caress?  Anyway the only way to progress is to enter her house without her permission using a shadily-obtained house key. Spec Ops? Heh. It ain't got poo poo on Pokemon Uranium.  She realises it's because of stalker mccreepy and runs out.  Why is thi- Okay OFS you can't just ask questions, gotta think of a goof. No use crying over spoiled milk!  So yeah Maria used to be the top trainer in all of Tandor, but gave it up because of people like Stalker McCreepy. I think.   If this whole debacle must be in here, I'm glad it ends with her threatening to call the cops and the guy leaving.  He mostly leaves but the top of his head is still peeking out.  And when the cutscene is over, he vanishes into nothing. I've never seen anyone get rejected that hard.  Up next is the Nowtoch Gym and Maria, the Yawn-type specialist.
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I'm pretty sure Tonemy is a digimon
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Feb 18, 2017 18:21
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I extremely hate that the first gym opens up by doing this throwaway bit with an extremely creepy person. Why. This poo poo does not belong in Pokemon (or really anything else for that matter).
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Feb 18, 2017 18:21
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It seems like everyone wants an evolution to Dunsparce, for some reason. Can't wait to see how silly it looks.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:21
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GASP! OFS praised something this game does!
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What the gently caress is a Barewl supposed to be anyways?
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Feb 18, 2017 18:41
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Of all the original Pokemon we could add, yes, let's choose Dunsparce. I also always thought the one thing Pokemon lacked was creepy stalkers.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:43
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Let me guess. The 201st pokemon is officially event-only.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:44
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XavierGenisi posted:What the gently caress is a Barewl supposed to be anyways? it's got a Megaman helmet, maybe it's some kind of obtuse reference to the one-up? the name seems like a pun on barrel but it really doesn't look anything like one
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Feb 18, 2017 18:45
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Dunsparce is extremely my jam. He's a good buddy.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:49
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When you have bog standard pokemon next to the wonderful fan creations, then it's really obvious what the quality difference is
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Crosspeice posted:When you have bog standard pokemon next to the wonderful fan creations, then it's really obvious what the quality difference is Let's throw a  face on a Zubat and give it a bushy tail, yeah, people are gonna be all over that poo poo.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:59
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XavierGenisi posted:What the gently caress is a Barewl supposed to be anyways? I think it's supposed to be some sentient bomb. It has an evolution that makes no sense.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:06
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Mega64 posted:Let's throw a It's kinda cute and the sprite isn't terrible but it doesn't fit pokemon very well and that's its big fault. Most of these sprites don't, especially when compared to the real ones.
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FPzero posted:It's kinda cute and the sprite isn't terrible but it doesn't fit pokemon very well and that's its big fault. Most of these sprites don't, especially when compared to the real ones. Are there any good articles about the creation of new Pokemon? Considering how awkwardly many fan Pokemon stand out, I figure writing about what makes Game Freak's Pokemon work would be an interesting read.
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Mega64 posted:Of all the original Pokemon we could add, yes, let's choose Dunsparce. Don't poo poo-talk Dunsparce. Dunsparce is my cool, cute friend with power. I bet its evolution will be significantly worse and dumb, and probably some kind of angel-winged thing based on trends of bad fanworks. I bet you it will be Dragon-type, additionally. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
That's a good question! It's one I would ask, among other questions, such as why there are trade evolutions in this fangame 
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Feb 18, 2017 19:12
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Mega64 posted:Of all the original Pokemon we could add, yes, let's choose Dunsparce. This but unironically. Dunsparce is rad, yo.
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Mega64 posted:Are there any good articles about the creation of new Pokemon? Considering how awkwardly many fan Pokemon stand out, I figure writing about what makes Game Freak's Pokemon work would be an interesting read. I'm not aware of any offhand. Sounds like it could have been the topic of a GDC talk or Gamasutra article though. My own guess is that Game Freak generally takes a very careful look into mythology, culture and tradition when designing new pokemon for a region. Like with Sun/Moon, there are a lot of island creatures mixed with tribal design and legend from the general part of the real world the game takes place in. Their designs are almost never as simple as "it's a happy bat but with a fluffy tail." Well, post-Gen 1 designs anyway; there were some pretty lazy ones there.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:46
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I wanted to name Barlew "Feminist Alloy" but of course that doesn't fit
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Onmi posted:About a third of the gym leaders off themselves, the plot is absolutely rancid with "Hmm, this is something I saw in my tumblr feed and is an "Important Issue." I feel like I should tackle this in a Pokemon game." The battle balance is out of whack, the actual region itself looks like garbage. The characters are all hateable, its episodic nature is exhausting. okay when it happens multiple times that's kind of very dumb. like the first guy, okay, he was doing lovely things and now his kids hate him or something, fine, whatever but that should strictly be a one-time thing if you even decide this is something you want to have happen, it shouldn't be reliable that all your characters hurl themselves off a tall thing to solve their problems in basically any story i didn't really go much farther beyond that, i think i was at the point where it was like 'well poo poo, he can't give you a badge, find someone who can' which is sorta weird and forced but now i remember someone saying 'goddamn like you never get badges from the actual people who are supposed to get them' so i see how that becomes a problem. i guess i just didn't get far enough for the difficulty to ramp up beyond the early-game's sorta-tough-but-not-if-you've-played-these-games level. never even left the main city either - that's a concept i did like, that like a third of the region is just this enormous city with different neighborhoods, it was at least a modestly creative place to set the beginning of the game instead of just the usual 'some small towns, and forests between them', but i really don't know anything about the rest of the region beyond what the main map presents, which is...sorta messy speaking of which, there's Pokemon Sage, another fangame that is also set in a South America, I dunno anything about that one, its pokemon designs are slightly better than Uranium's so far but still very hit or miss. But a thing I did notice was how the first routes are actually all snowy, which I think is cool because for some weird reason Pokemon games always keep the very first ice types locked away until the very end of the game. Seafoam, Icy Path, Shoal Cave, Snowpoint, Mountain Kalos, I think the part in Alola they begin showing up is literally the Victory Road equivalent? Black and White were the only games that even kind of mitigated that since the Cold Storage is early enough and things like Vanilluxe appear in the middle of the game when it's winter, so you can get an Ice thing around gyms 4-5 instead of the usual 7-8. ...I am going to bet Uranium keeps them until the end though, hahaha Gyra_Solune fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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FPzero posted:It's kinda cute and the sprite isn't terrible but it doesn't fit pokemon very well and that's its big fault. Most of these sprites don't, especially when compared to the real ones. It reminds me of some kind of slime from Dragon Quest.
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Honestly the biggest reason the fakemon look off is the terrible shading job. Compare Mankey and the iron thing's back sprites. They also tend to be really flat color-wise without any gradiants. Honestly if you had a better sprite artist you could probably pass off some as real pokemon (I think the poison bat-blob is good enough for this).
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Junpei posted:GASP! OFS praised something this game does! Maybe if it did something good more often he would comment on it.
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XavierGenisi posted:I extremely hate that the first gym opens up by doing this throwaway bit with an extremely creepy person. Seems cynical enough to be in a GTA game.
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RareAcumen posted:Seems cynical enough to be in a GTA game. A GTA game where everything is resolved via Pokemon battles sounds just bizarre enough that it might work, if handled well.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:A GTA game where everything is resolved via Pokemon battles sounds just bizarre enough that it might work, if handled well. that is a massive if
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Zore posted:Honestly the biggest reason the fakemon look off is the terrible shading job. Compare Mankey and the iron thing's back sprites. They also tend to be really flat color-wise without any gradiants. Pokemon has a pretty broad design conceit, so barring particularly egregious examples most designs can be made to work as long as the detailing, colors and shading don't clash. The problem isn't the individual designs, since anyone with an acceptable level of artistic skill can at least make them not stand out in a bad way. My issue, personally, is that the designs are just kind of... there. They're a random assortment of pokemon-like scribbles roughly assigned roles traditional to pokemon's early game, and don't succeed in selling me on the region, or fleshing out the "generation's" unique design aesthetic, or providing an interesting iteration on archetypes that we've seen in the past. They're just going through the motions they've observed in the games, neither understanding the reason why they existed nor providing any sort of novelty. You may as well just give us Roggenrola and Zubat again if you're just going to ape their concepts so closely.
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Zore posted:Honestly if you had a better sprite artist you could probably pass off some as real pokemon (I think the poison bat-blob is good enough for this). That's not the only reason things feels off. GameFreak has the advantage of being able to design a ton of Pokemon and then whittle away any that don't meet their standards. Fangames can't exactly do that, so if something's not up to snuff gently caress it, it's going in anyway because either money was paid for it or the sunk cost fallacy means any time spent on a sprite is a waste if it's not used.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:A GTA game where everything is resolved via Pokemon battles sounds just bizarre enough that it might work, if handled well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvkC1irE4TE
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I kind of like that Barewl thing. It's got angry eyebrows.
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