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Right, it really depends on how sharp you need to turn, right at a stop sign (on right hand drive roads) is going to be a sharper turn than left. Though honestly I turn like Jr. said and I'm thinking more about when I was first starting and the mechanical process of coming off of a stop and working the clutch took me time and concentration. Instructional videos are good, I also personally recommend Proficient Motorcycling, which was a great overview, covered everything in my learner's permit, and (along with this forum) helped keep me safe when all my riding friend's were helmet-hating cruiser rides.
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hatbadger posted:So I've done a bit of research based off some of the advice over the last few days, but I still can't figure it out. If I want a step down from mx boots am I looking at adventure or racing boots? I'd all but decided on the Sidi Adventure before I questioned the protection levels of racing boots. I'd run a set of Forma Terrain TXs.
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Jr. posted:I took a right turn really wide because I think I was either too close to the stop sign itself, or maybe I didn't lean in far enough to turn.  This is on a track, but the exact same rules apply. Look at the direction of her head. She's not looking at the turn itself, she's looking where she wants to go - the exit of the turn. Another thing that people tend to do is look at the ground while turning. Aside from not helping you go where you want to, looking at the ground makes it feel like you're going way faster than you actually are, which isn't good for your nerves. Practice looking where you want to go, daily. It's one of the most important skills you can have. quote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but are you turning the handlebars while stopped? You want to get them ready before you go or by the time you get done with letting the clutch out from a stop whoops you're going straight on what should be a turn.
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TBH all the things I used to think were hard and fast rules are more like stern guidelines so you don't gently caress up too badly and when you know what you're doing you can take that poo poo with a grain of salt... ...except looking where you want to go. Nobody who ever rode a bike in the history of man was exempt from that.
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Slavvy posted:
This. All the time forever. Look where you want to go, it applies to any vehicle at speed. in most cases the vehicle is much more capable than you think it is.
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-Inu- posted:I'll guess with 99% certainty that you weren't "looking where you want to go". They teach this in the MSF (figure 8 is nearly impossible to do otherwise) and it's super, super important. You can practice this in your car by going into an empty parking lot, locking your eyes on some random object off in the distance (something that you have to turn your head to see), and don't take your eyes off it. You'll notice that you unconsciously will drive towards that object. You were probably looking at the outside curb when you crashed, and rode yourself right into it. Here's a really extreme example: Thanks all y'all, very much, for your advice both about the braking thing and the turns. -Inu- especially, I remember seeing a gas meter when I started thinking the turn was going bad and sort of focusing on it a little too hard. It's a bad habit I have in archery, too. I'm taking the bike out again this weekend, and I'm going to be eyes-on-endpoint like a laser. Being that it's an old bike, "this weekend" is due to fixing up a wompy turn signal (ate fuses, shut off the entire instrumentation illumination circuit). Turns out the LED headlight I installed to bring the wattage draw to something reasonable only barely cleared the turn signal mount threading, so both positive-lead wires tore their insulation open and completed their circuit on the headlight's heatsink.  A vise, angle grinder, bullet connectors and a rootbeer later, good as new. I can wrench on just about anything, but the riding part... AveMachina fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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I had to practice right hand turns from a stop after the MSF BRC. Looking where you want to go is the big thing (as others have said). What you are describing tripped me up a bit, but I also ran into issues where I would have to navigate multiple potholes/manhole covers within a sharp right hand turn, and it got a little tricky for me. I ended up setting up a mini training course in a parking lot. I'd line up along the line for one parking space, and then I'd force myself to make a right turn into the perpendicular line to the right. By moving my bike around I could simulate different angles and tightness of turns. Then I added paper plates (held down by rocks) that would simulate potholes and other obstacles to avoid. It helped me a lot with learning to avoid looking at the obstacles while still being aware of where they were. It helps a lot for both navigating turns from a stop and also for other obstacles that complicate the maneuver. Then I bought a sumo and potholes stopped mattering and riding because easy mode.
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Fishvilla posted:snip I thought you meant one of these  until I realized you meant supermoto.
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Fishvilla posted:I had to practice right hand turns from a stop after the MSF BRC.
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My instructor pointed that out, and reminded us a pull with the left is the same as a push with the right.
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Fanelien posted:This. All the time forever. Along with this, never target fixate.
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Keket posted:Along with this, never target fixate. Seriously. I was railing some turns pretty hard on my third Daytona 675, when I target-fixated pretty good on this yellow Porsche. What a disaster. Also there was gravel?
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Yammie has now hit a station object and a car head on. He now needs to rear end a car and the cycle will be complete. Don't be like Yammie.
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captainOrbital posted:Seriously. I was railing some turns pretty hard on my third Daytona 675, when I target-fixated pretty good on this yellow Porsche. What a disaster. What was the ambient temperature relative to your tires?
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ilkhan posted:Yammie has now hit a station object and a car head on. He now needs to rear end a car and the cycle will be complete. No, the cycle is not complete until he buys a Lamborghini. And gets a tattoo of a panther
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That's dark. Kinda like the ink of a backpanther tattoo.
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Alright! I bought a ninja 500 yesterday, instead of the newbikes and the ducati I went to see. Absolutely lovely. They were kind enough to deliver it to my house, and I spent 6 hours yesterday getting comfortable on the bike on the street. Started off stalling at stopsigns in 25mph neighborhoods in front of attractive women doing yardwork, finished comfortably cruising at 60mph down a highway. Absolutely amazing. I have no idea how I would've done any of this without the MSF too, so hurray for that. So, my question: 500 twin, what rpm should I be shooting for just for cruising around? I'm finding 4500 seems natural, not buzzy but still has enough pull in that gear to go if I need to, but I'm coming from 4-banger econocars where it's pretty normal to sit at or under 2 grand most of the time.
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With motorcycles, you'll always be turning at higher RPM, especially if the engine is extra small. My GN125 cruises at 7-8000 RPM (Redline is 10000). The bigger the engine, the more safe it is to just leave it in a higher gear, since bigger engines tend to have much better roll-on power. You can adjust it simply by downshifting, if you feel like you are suddenly going to need extra power. Like, you're on the highway, in the middle lane, and there's a guy in the right lane slightly ahead of you, and there's a moderately busy entrance ramp coming up. (Extra credit: the guy's front driver's side window is destroyed and he has a black garbage bag duct taped over it) If you want to lower the RPMs, you can do that by changing the gearing, if your bike is chain drive. By putting a larger drive sprocket on the engine (or a smaller driven sprocket, on the rear wheel) the gearing will become more spaced out—longer. This is good if you do a lot of highway riding and feel like you already have more than enough power.
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I'll wait until after the track day on the 13th, but my 4 week old 300 is already on life support. Just not comfortable with the power reserve while on the freeway I need to ride to commute. A ninja 650 abs/krt will replace the ninja 300 abs/krt.
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Slide Hammer posted:With motorcycles, you'll always be turning at higher RPM, especially if the engine is extra small. My GN125 cruises at 7-8000 RPM (Redline is 10000). The bigger the engine, the more safe it is to just leave it in a higher gear, since bigger engines tend to have much better roll-on power. oh no, i'm good with the RPMs, I just didn't know if that was optimal in terms of engine wear, fuel efficiency, etc. I can definitely get out of my own way faster than my car even in 5th or 6th, which is neat.
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Ohhhh, in that case, you might want to consult a Ninja 500 forum specifically; they'd know the nitty-gritty of that engine best.
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Ride below the rev limiter.
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builds character posted:Ride below the rev limiter. that's no fun.
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ilkhan posted:I'll wait until after the track day on the 13th, but my 4 week old 300 is already on life support. Just not comfortable with the power reserve while on the freeway I need to ride to commute. A ninja 650 abs/krt will replace the ninja 300 abs/krt. I dunno, I commuted 50 miles one way on my 300, and it was ok. Just go 75 and you will be fine. spouse posted:that's no fun. Alternatively, ride at 5k, drop a gear, see how it feels and sounds, then go up a couple gears and see how that feels. You'll quickly develop a feel for what's good. Nobody here is likely to know what specific rpm number is good in what conditions for a specific bike.
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spouse posted:oh no, i'm good with the RPMs, I just didn't know if that was optimal in terms of engine wear, fuel efficiency, etc. I can definitely get out of my own way faster than my car even in 5th or 6th, which is neat.
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pokie posted:I dunno, I commuted 50 miles one way on my 300, and it was ok. Just go 75 and you will be fine.
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ilkhan posted:Traffic here does 80, and the carpool lane does 85-90. I don't like not being able to just take off if needed. I just stuck to the right lane.
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I did a year and a half of my only vehicle being a Ninja 250 (see prof pic), in ATL, where people will casually cruise at 90-100mph+ in the left lane. Was it doable? Sure. Would I ever recommend it to someone else? I wouldn't shun someone for doing it, but I wouldn't actively suggest it either, especially if you're already having doubts. I mean, even on my R6 I never go more than 9 over (so between 69-74mph) and even if I'm cruising one lane from the right, people pass me on both sides like I'm standing still. The issue with the right lane is that it's actually one of the more dangerous lanes. People tend to show no remorse for others when it comes to potentially missing or taking the wrong exit. There's also shoulder debris, and people merging from on ramps.
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Exactly. Right lane is dangerous, and the others are frustratingly fast. Upgrade isn't that expensive is absolute terms, and I was already planning on doing it next year. Shrug.
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builds character posted:Ride below the rev limiter. Also, hit the rev limiter/redline once per ride. It's good for the engine.
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Sagebrush posted:Also, hit the rev limiter/redline once per ride. It's good for the engine. Also bounce off the rev limiter in top gear. It's good for the soul.
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Fanelien posted:Also bounce off the rev limiter in top gear. It's good for the soul. Depending on the bike - a good way to free your soul! 
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I went on the freeway yesterday for the first time when it was lightly trafficked and open. That was the most intense thing I've done in years... but it was also awesome. It was the first time I've ever thought "I am a blob of meat inside the tanned hide of another animal, and I will become a more dispersed blob of meat if I gently caress this up". Bikes are neat. I already ordered a slip-on. This is gonna be a good way to burn money.
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 Don't keep track of it. Do keep track of the work you do to the bike, but throw out the receipts.
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One you start riding every day, commuting, etc, the costs become necessities , not luxuries. This is especially true if you live anywhere other than an urban area and, until you got the bike, you didn't have a second vehicle. So you see, I NEEDED to buy those 500 dollar saddlebags. I mean I forgot what they cost.
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Jack B Nimble posted:One you start riding every day, commuting, etc, the costs become necessities , not luxuries. This is especially true if you live anywhere other than an urban area and, until you got the bike, you didn't have a second vehicle.
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I worked at Cycle Gear for 3 years and spent $20,000 there.
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You should try riding both in the dirt and a track day. I would guess that one or the other (maybe both) will really click for you and either one will make you a better every day rider. Also, get a neck brace. Either atlas or leatt are the big two.
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-Inu- posted:I worked at Cycle Gear for 3 years and spent $20,000 there. How?
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That's just the deposit on the Ben Spies suit.
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