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sean10mm posted:I'm always amused at how much angst Cutler causes wherever he goes. He's been exactly the same player his entire career, and his efficiency stats always hang around the league average +/- a small margin, but everyone gets super outraged that he's not something different from what he's always been.
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Eli Wiggum posted:He was amazing in 2008 His career average passer rating is 85.7. His passer rating in 2008 was... 86.0. All his stats that season are like that, except he threw more often than usual for him. Completion %, yards/attempt, interception rate... all his usual. It was just generic Jay Cutler. It's always just generic Jay Cutler. 
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sean10mm posted:His career average passer rating is 85.7.
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sean10mm posted:His career average passer rating is 85.7. Million dollar arm. 10 cent brain. Jay Cutler. Has there been anyone in the league that has had as many "maybe this is the year he puts it all together" seasons as Jay Cutler? I mean, it's been literally every year with him lol
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Athanatos posted:They will overpay for Jimmy G wont they... How good does Jimmy G really have to be to be worth a 1 and a 4 with one cheap year still left on his contract? I guess better than Trevor Siemian would be good enough.
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Eli Wiggum posted:Jeff George? I dunno...I feel like people knew who Jeff George was pretty early on but I could be wrong. Jay just seems to elicit glimmers of hope year after year, it's pretty funny.
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Athanatos posted:Are the Bears just all in on Matt Barkley? they don't have a clue or a plan and have an incompetent front office, so they're probably all in on Jimmy G
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a neat cape posted:He was also shoved into the role of an every down back because literally everyone else got hurt so they had no choice but to put him out there. The trade up for him was dumb, but overall Gordon's on pace to become a pretty fine RB. His vision got a lot better last year, he's a more decisive runner and he made huge strides in the passing game.
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GaussianCopula posted:How good does Jimmy G really have to be to be worth a 1 and a 4 with one cheap year still left on his contract? Ah yes 1 year of "slightly better than a 7th round pick" is certainly worth a 1+4
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An above average starting QB is worth the world. An average or below one is worth next to nothing. To win a Superbowl you just need so many things to go right, and the worse your QB, the more and faster those things that need to go right stack up. That's what makes a QB like Jay Cutler so relatively worthless now. He used to be an average QB who could iron out the flaws in his game and step up, but now he's in his mid 30's and never did, so he's now just a stopgap or hail mary. -------------------- I don't see a team trading a first for Jimmy because we know what his college career was worth: A late 2nd round pick. Now you trade 3 years of dirt cheap contract for 3 years of age, some mediocre preseason and cleanup snaps starts and 1.5 healthy games this year where he looked like a capable NFL quarterback. Is that worth upgrading a late 2nd to a first? I find that a hard argument to buy.
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The question isn't if trading the farm for a Patriots backup QB is smart. The question is if any team is stupid enough to do it. (Looks around the NFL) Um...
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Kalli posted:I don't see a team trading a first for Jimmy because we know what his college career was worth: A late 2nd round pick. Now you trade 3 years of dirt cheap contract for 3 years of age, some mediocre preseason and cleanup snaps starts and 1.5 healthy games this year where he looked like a capable NFL quarterback. Is that worth upgrading a late 2nd to a first? I find that a hard argument to buy. See, now this is an intelligent argument, but NFL GMs see "TOM BRADY BACKUP!? Coached by the greatest coach of all time?" and think: CAN'T MISS! It's a sickness. They look at the past guys, and assume this time will be different. This is the Brady backup that will break the mold.
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Jay Cutler is still this guy: https://youtu.be/-DPBgqKwvDs
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Athanatos posted:Are the Bears just all in on Matt Barkley?
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Kalli posted:An above average starting QB is worth the world. An average or below one is worth next to nothing. yet if cutler had been on the texans this year maybe they win the superbowl, ala flacco w/ the ravens or eli and giants. i used to think a great QB was needed but you just need 3 good games in a row (which, to be fair, is something cutler seems incapable of doing despite him being statistically better than flacco and eli overall)
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mastershakeman posted:yet if cutler had been on the texans this year maybe they win the superbowl, ala flacco w/ the ravens or eli and giants. i used to think a great QB was needed but you just need 3 good games in a row (which, to be fair, is something cutler seems incapable of doing despite him being statistically better than flacco and eli overall) Yeah, and one of the things that didn't go right for the Texans was they bet wrong on a backup of a great QB, and whoops, now their salary cap is hosed for two years. Like the Raiders this year were probably the second best team in the AFC, and had no chance to win the superbowl because the best pass blocking oline in footbal collapsed at the wrong moment and Derek Carr died a few weeks before the playoffs started. Hell, a significant chunk of why the Falcons lost the Superbowl was because their RT and a RB got injured in the first half and then the backups hosed up their blocking assignment on a play, and Ryan gets strip sacked as he's trying to throw a deep bomb to a wide open receiver.
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Kalli posted:Hell, a significant chunk of why the Falcons lost the Superbowl was because their RT and a RB got injured in the first half and then the backups hosed up their blocking assignment on a play, and Ryan gets strip sacked as he's trying to throw a deep bomb to a wide open receiver. God. DAMNIT, Kalli! 
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Intruder posted:List of free agent QBs/trade targets I'd take over Brock 
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Intruder posted:List of free agent QBs/trade targets I'd take over Brock What about one Matt Schaub?
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Yes King Hong Kong posted:What about one Matt Schaub? Yes
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I thought this was a Chernoff face at first. Someone who knows how should do that with NFL quarterbacks.
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a neat cape posted:The Texans should trade for Philip Rivers 
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mastershakeman posted:they don't have a clue or a plan and have an incompetent front office, so they're probably all in on Jimmy G They absolutely have a plan. Whether it's a good one is another story, but I am on board. The difference in talent and depth before Pace started and now is huge. Our roster is a lot better. Too bad the coaching is mediocre. weird Asian candy posted:Million dollar arm. 10 cent brain. Jay Cutler. I don't understand why Cutler is viewed from a different lense than his peers. QB Ratings Cutler -- 85.7 Manning -- 83.7 Flacco -- 84.5 Newton -- 86.1 Smith -- 85.3 All the other QBs have been to Super Bowls. All are considered good enough to win a Super Bowl with. But the narrative is that Cutler is what was bringing the Bears down. All while having a carousel of offensive coordinators and a bunch of garbage defenses. Only twice since Cutler has been there have the Bears had a top ten scoring defense. I know quarterback rating is a dumb metric, but is Cutler really significantly worse than Eli or Flacco? (Having said that, he needs to leave Chicago. There's is nothing he can do to salvage what's left of his career here)
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Sataere posted:I don't understand why Cutler is viewed from a different lense than his peers. Outside of Cam though, I don't know if any of those QBs have shown the greatness that Jay could have been. He has moments of elite level QB play ... and then he shits in his own mouth over and over and over again. tbf, Cutler got a lot of crap from Bear fans when their (Bears) problems weren't him many times.
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Ranking Cutler around Flacco and Alex Smith sounds about right, all 3 are kinda average and sometimes bad, with brief moments of good play
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Sataere posted:They absolutely have a plan. Whether it's a good one is another story, but I am on board. The difference in talent and depth before Pace started and now is huge. Our roster is a lot better. Too bad the coaching is mediocre. Where do the stats on this chart come from
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zimbomonkey posted:Where do the stats on this chart come from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ I assume, but you can get them lots of places? NFL.com, ESPN.com, etc.
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Sataere posted:I don't understand why Cutler is viewed from a different lense than his peers. It's because he's a dick. I agree with your larger point, though. He'll probably end up making whatever team he ends up on way better.
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fsif posted:It's because he's a dick. I dunno about way better. Hasn't he been to the playoffs like once in his career? Clearly Jay needs to go to Cleveland.
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There are teams that would benefit A LOT from league average or so QB play in place of tire fire QB play. The problem with Cutler is expecting him to be an Aaron Rodgers "carry the team on his back every week" kind of guy. He's not ever gonna be that guy. Play decent defense, run the ball a decent amount and let him huck play-action bombs to somebody worth a crap and you'll do fine though.
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sean10mm posted:There are teams that would benefit A LOT from league average or so QB play in place of tire fire QB play. He's so weird though because you think he should be able to benefit a team a lot...but I just don't know how much. He isn't even .500 for his career. He isn't going to outright win you any games like you said, but he sure could lose some for you with his bone headed decisions.
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weird Asian candy posted:He's so weird though because you think he should be able to benefit a team a lot...but I just don't know how much. He isn't even .500 for his career. He isn't going to outright win you any games like you said, but he sure could lose some for you with his bone headed decisions. That's not true. Cutler has won games. He can absolutely blow teams up. It's just sometimes, that team is the Bears.  sean10mm posted:There are teams that would benefit A LOT from league average or so QB play in place of tire fire QB play. I think this is the problem. Him not being a god on the football field, coupled with having the douchiest face ever, has created unreasonable expectations. weird Asian candy posted:I dunno about way better. Hasn't he been to the playoffs like once in his career? Clearly Jay needs to go to Cleveland. Yeah. He had only ever had a defense that ranked above 20th in scoring three times since he has been here. 2010- NFC Championship game loss. Where we learned nationally that Cutler is a little bitch for not playing football on one leg. 2011- 7-3 going after week 11, where. Cutler got hurt against San Diego (because only bitches try tackling guys who intercept them ) Caleb Haines couldn't even go .500 with a top five defense to help the Bears squeak into the playoffs. 2012 - Bears finish 10-6, but Phil Emery doesn't think Lovie can win like Trestman can, so  I will remain a Cutler apologist to my dying day.
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Owns. And in the minds of stupid people who make hiring decisions on many teams he probably [this is the point where you need to brace for nausea] "rehabilitated" himself by being a "good Patriot."
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