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This reminds me, I have a 7th Dragon playthrough to go back to. Maybe I'll play along with the LP! Name: Haru Class: Samurai Portrait: 1 Bio: Life as a gardener was simple for Haru. Sure, the old mistress is harsh and rude, and her mansion is a chore to weed out, but he gets a roof to sleep under, regular meals and a decent allowance. So he keeps wearing a smile and cheery demeanor even though the mistress chews on him daily, because he's one to see silver linings. All things considered, he's lucked out. One day, though, these ominous-looking flowers started appearing everywhere in the mansion, and when Haru peeked out the walls, he could see the fields outside swarming with them too. As luck would have it, the mistress returned from her vacation on that same day, and she was furious. She screamed at Haru to get rid of them. Not just the ones inside the mansion - she doesn't want to see them when on her way to town, when she looks out the window, or when she takes a walk anywhere. "And don't come back until every single one of those flowers out there is gone!" Well, he's known better by now than to question her unreasonable demands, Haru sighed inwardly. And hey, on the bright side, that'sa a couple of days, maybe, without the mistress shouting in his ears. It's obvious there's no way he could do this on his own, though. So he packed up some essentials, crafted a makeshift weapon out of his gardening shears for self-protection, and made his way to Kazan. It's a big city, someone there's probably crazy enough to help him weed out a continent. Hope I didn't jump the gun too much with the flowers? Anyway, I like Odyssey for a guild name. And yeah, you need some more meatshields in there, I think, so voting for Samurai, Knight, Fighter.
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Name: Buront Class: Knight Portrat: #2 Bio: A Also Guild: Slayers Knight, Healer, Fighter We will need a tank something seriously when things get serious, so I'm banking on knights. cdyoung fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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"Questionable" design decisions don't even begin to cover this game. Somehow it manages to have a decent core-experience anyways (with either the USA-patch or using the secret-code accessory). This game was released after Etrian Odyssey, but manages to be even less polished. Luckily, there still manages to be incredibly cheesy party compositions to play around with despite the straightforward class designs, but I'll wait until Fetus covers them to elaborate.
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Name: Zenie (It's short for Zenie van der Gil, apparently) Class: Healer Portrait: #4 Zenie was a sheltered rich girl (read: "oh~hohohoho~!") whose primary access to the world in her high tower was via fine literature (read: comic books), and who longed for nothing more than a life of quiet contemplation of the good (read: aimless hedonism). Unfortunately for her, after she came of age, testing revealed her innate aptitude for healing magic, and her town of origin, being a weird little theocracy, had a rule that anyone gifted in magical medicine -- as a favored child of the divine -- must embark on a pilgrimage of holy self-discovery. Thrown out on her rear end with an ascetic's rags and begging bowl, Zenie has resolved to train her power and live up to her gifts, despite her constant and, frankly, totally avoidable backsliding into sin and excess. ("Priestess?! How could you eat those cakes?! They were meant for the orphans!" "In my defense, those orphans will no longer have to worry about the deadly sin of gluttony." "There were over ten full cakes!" "I was feeling extremely generous about saving their orphan souls. Do you have any milk?") Poltergrift fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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I remember liking the demo for VFD but never bothered to grab the full game.
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Wiffle posted:"Questionable" design decisions don't even begin to cover this game. Somehow it manages to have a decent core-experience anyways (with either the USA-patch or using the secret-code accessory). Well, unlike EO, none of the skills are bugged and they all work as intended. That counts for something, right?  But yeah, even with the USA patch, there are some real poor design decisions in the game. I still enjoyed it (and like it more than VFD), I wouldn't be doing an LP if I didn't. Though I do consider EO to be better designed. (Haven't played the PSP games, so I can't speak for those.) Probably gonna decide on the roster soon. It's gonna be pretty tough, since there are a lot of good submissions.
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You say you're not quite sure why there's 8-bit tracks, but I can quite easily explain that. It's Yuzo Koshiro's MO. Every track he composes is intentionally done on a much weaker soundchip, and then scaled up. In this case, the absolute original tracks are the 8-bit ones, and the ones you DO hear in the game are the presented ones. https://twitter.com/yuzokoshiro/status/822396274309595137 Shown here, when he plays the EO1 tracks he composed on an actual PC88. Grashbar fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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I actually like VFD. It may wonk the canon to end the story, but it doesn't actually effect the other game stories.
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I definitely loved VFD to death, flaws and all, so I'm interested in seeing how this one is. I'll probably even give that english patch a try.BlackPersona posted:For a guild name, let's go off the top of my head and be thematically appropriate with the Dragoons I just want to point out the shame that no one else voted for this one. It's a wasted vote at this point, but it's the thought that counts, right?. As for classes, my vote goes to Princess, Knight, and Rogue. Name: Zhi Class: Mage Portrait: 2 Bio: Let's not mince words here - Zhi is, in all definitions but literal, an rear end. And not even the kind of rear end who's balanced by being very talented, or who's secretly just a shy person on the inside; Zhi is just a terrible person. You'd think that his poor attitude would stem from some sort of dark history, but you'd be wrong. Even as a child, he was just as unpleasant to be around, which only became worse as his magic began to develop and he found new ways to make the lives of those around hum just that much more miserable. Eventually, his small town got fed up and sent him packing with the instructions to "Do some good with your life for once", but with the tone of "If you die out there, you're not our problem anymore". Zhi will claim that he didn't accept, just that he had already gotten fed up with everyone there as well. Somehow, he managed to survive long enough to make it to Kazan, but since making it here has already been kicked out of two guilds for his abhorrent behavior. But hey, one of these "abject failures" has to need a mage eventually, right?
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Name: Dia Class: Princess Portrait: 4 Bio: Over a thousand years ago, an evil demon ruled the planet with an iron fist. A Dark One whose name may never be uttered, it unleashed evils so horrific that ancient accounts of its wrath barely scratched the surface of the pure agony and destruction it caused. But, despite how much terror it bestowed into the hearts of all living beings who have come to know it, a clan of warriors stepped forth to challenge the demon and set the world free of its wrath. Against the staggering odds, the clan fought a bloody, merciless battle until, miraculously, it finally prevailed over the demon. In an effort to prevent such evil from escaping into the world again, the clan sealed the demon into the planet's core, never to see the light of day ever again. However, the demon proclaimed it would have the final laugh, as it cursed the remaining clan members with an evil that will haunt them for generations: an eventuality that, one day, the clan will cause the reawakening of the demon once again. Exactly one thousand years later, about fifteen years from the present day, the last descendant of the clan had been born. A young princess, claiming her royalty thanks to the ancestors who defeated the Dark One, had received the full brunt of the curse. Her parents had witnessed the awakening of the demon once again, through the eyes of the girl that they had carefully raised in peace. But alas, though the demon had awoken as this young girl, its power was still hopelessly sealed away in the core of the planet, never to be wielded by this once all-powerful ruler ever again. Now stuck as a young girl, Dia joins the Hunters in Kazan, hopelessly defeated by the prospect of never regaining her dark glory ever again. But hey, maybe she can eventually find a group strong enough to undo her power's seal, and restore her to her true self? Who knows. For classes, let's go with Samurai, Princess, Rogue.
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Well, no more submissions and votes seem to be coming in, so I'm going to close them off. Here are the votes for our party: Princess: 12 Mage: 11 Healer: 10 Samurai: 9 Fighter: 8 Knight: 8 Rogue: 7 My Choice: 1 Hmm, I think I'll use my 1 vote to bump up the fighter, since that team is looking pretty squishy. So the party I'll be starting off with is Fighter, Mage, Healer, and Princess! As for the guild name: Odyssey: 9 Slayers: 4 Dragoons: 2 Catorine: 1 GOONKATA: 1 Bahamut: 1 Supanova: 1 Nidhogg: 1 Pizz'a: 1 Tanner's: 1 Anabasis: 1 Looks like Odyssey wins out. Anyways, now I'll announce which characters made it onto the roster. Fighter  Blaze Dragon with Stella! Blaze Dragon posted:Name: Stella Rogue  Logicblade posted:Name: Ark Samurai  blizzardvizard with Haru! blizzardvizard posted:Name: Haru Knight  cdyoung with Buront! cdyoung posted:Name: Buront Mage  CommissarMega with Nila! CommissarMega posted:Name: Nila Healer  Dark Flame Master with Edward! Dark Flame Master posted:Name: Edward Princess  oB2Ko Mario with Dia! oB2Ko Mario posted:Name: Dia Sorry if your character didn't get in, but it was really tough to choose in most cases. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Aw, shame about Gil not making it in, but glad to see my dumb guild name got as much love as it did. Looking forward to the Odyssey's shenanigans!
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Dr. Fetus posted:But yeah, even with the USA patch, there are some real poor design decisions in the game. I still enjoyed it (and like it more than VFD), I wouldn't be doing an LP if I didn't. Though I do consider EO to be better designed. (Haven't played the PSP games, so I can't speak for those.) Personally I considered VFD to be basically a worse version of 2020 in almost every way. I'm sure no small part of that was being able to speed up battle animations on an emulator though.
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How dare my character with no redeeming qualities whatsoever that wouldn't work from any narrative standpoint (I wrote him in like 5 minutes because I had a feeling voting would close soon) and the guild name no one else voted for (despite being a drat good name and probably the one I'm gonna steal when I play this game) not make the cut I'm calling shenanigans Jokes aside, we've got a nice cast all-around so I can't complain (but dragoons tho).
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Dr. Fetus posted:Fighter, Mage, Healer, and Princess That's a really strong party. I don't know how well they do in the early game (as I usually start with a Knight because of the "questionable design choices" we will soon see) but starting around mid-game this set-up is an perpetuum-mobile of destruction. Fighter + Mage deals enough damage to kill most things in a few turns, Fighter can take a hit and Healer + Princess make sure your Life and even your Mana will always be full. So the only reasons to go back to town is because your inventory is full, to complete a quest or because you ran out of things to murder. Though it's not too exciting to play as the most effective strategy with this party is to always use the same few skills. However we probably will not see the Mana restoration before it's time to vote for the next party. I still wanted to throw my thoughts on this party out there is case someone wants to pick up the game and is looking for a party. Fighter alone in the front, Mage, Healer and Princess in the back is a rock solid choice.
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Game Mechanics: Basic Mechanics and Formulae In this minor update, I'm just gonna cover a few basic mechanics and formulae to give you an idea of how this game operates.  Okay, first off, let's create a character. I'll use a Fighter as an example.  So this is the Fighter's skill tree, where they can spend their skill points to learn various skills. Some skills require the user to learn some other skills first before they can be learned. The skill map for those is helpfully shown on the bottom screen. All newly created characters start off with 3 skill points. Skill points can only be obtained through level ups. Every time a character gains a level, they also gain 1 skill point. The exception to this is if they hit a level that's a multiple of 5, at which point they gain 2 skill points instead. For those of you familiar with Etrian Odyssey, most of this may sound familiar. However, there's one key difference between this game and the EO series that you should be aware of.  Unlike in Etrian Odyssey, where it always takes 1 point to level up a skill, 7th Dragon makes it so that sometimes, you need to spend multiple skill points to level up a skill. In some cases, the SP cost of a skill can even increase while you're leveling it up. Meaning that in some cases, it's better to save your skill points than to spend them right away.  Oh, and there are a few skills for every class that you won't be able to unlock for a good while. For the record, 7th Dragon doesn't really tell you how much more powerful a skill becomes when leveling it up, but don't worry. I'm able to pull out that data to get it right out into the open.  Anyways, there's something else I want to show off, but I'll have to create another character to do so.  There's actually a special password you can input during character creation. Input that and then a number ranging from 1 to 28, depending on the portrait you're using.  Since this is the 4th portrait out of all 28 of them, that will be the password I'll input for this one.  Doing so will give the character their canon name. Oh, but this isn't just an Easter Egg.  Inputting that password also gives you an extra skill point to make use of. I won't be doing this, since it really doesn't matter that much in the end, and having an extra skill point at the beginning of the game is just plain overkill since you can get some key skills you aren't supposed to get during the toughest part of the game. For the record...   You have to put in the password to get the extra skill point. Inputting their name right away does nothing. If you're having trouble with the game, you can try doing this little trick to get a leg up. Anyways, let's take a look at some of the formulas 7th Dragon uses. First off, the physical attack formula. The game takes a look at your physical attack stat, which is determined by this formula: ATK = POW + (Weapon Attack * Weapon Mastery) POW and Weapon Attack are self explanatory. The Weapon Mastery is a multiplier that most classes have to increase the power of their weapon. In most cases, this maxes out at 1.3. Since enemies don't have a weapon, they only use their ATK stat to calculate damage. Damage = [(User's ATK – Target's DEF) + ATK Bonus] * Damage Multipliers User's ATK and Target's DEF is self explanatory. ATK Bonus is a special attribute that some skills have, in which case they add onto the base damage calculated from stats. Damage Multipliers are the damage multipliers from skills, and the ones that belong to enemies. Critical hits only apply to regular attacks, but if they activate, the attack gets a 30% damage boost. The final result is a bit random, but it'll be around the base damage output. The formula for spells is... not as simple. For players, the formula is: Damage = [((User's INT / 2) * Spell Power + (2.5 + (Mastery Power * 2.5)) – (Target's DEF / 2) – (Target's INT / 2)) * Damage Multipliers] For enemies, the formula is: Damage = [(User's INT / 2) + Base Damage – (Target's DEF / 2) – (Target's INT / 2)] * Damage Multipliers The final result then has a random factor added on. If the damage is less than 20, the random factor ranges from -2 to 2. If the damage output is greater than 20, but less than 200, the random factor ranges from -5 to 5. If the damage output is greater than 200, the random factor ranges from -10 to 10. Spell Mastery is an attribute that only the Mage has. It doesn't do much, and only adds 7.5 to 22.5 points of damage depending on how high their Spell Mastery level is. All of the Mage's spells have an additional multiplier attached to them, which is factored in at the end. Most enemy spells don't have an additional damage multiplier, so in most cases, you can ignore that. Anyways, INT is very important, and if you want your Mage to deal a lot of damage with their spells, you need to increase their INT as much as possible. Of course if you want to reduce spell damage, you need to increase both your DEF and your INT, though that's not as effective as reducing physical damage. Do note that if you try to run away from battle, any party member that inputted the Run command will take 30% more damage. INT is actually used in one more formula. Namely, the healing formula. Healing = Skill Healing Power * [1 + (0.2 * Healing Mastery Bonus)] + (INT / 5) INT doesn't really give that much of a boost to healing, though it can help a bit. The formula for speed is fairly simple: Speed = SPD * Skill Speed Modifier + A random number from 0 to 10. All skills have a speed modifier that basically influences how fast or slow the user will act when they cast it. Ailment infliction has no formula associated with it, aside from the infliction rate being multiplied by the target's susceptibility to ailments. Ailment recovery does, and it's dependent the victim's level. I don't know the exact formula, but the bigger the victim's level, the longer they take to recover. Speaking of ailments, let's look into Poison damage. Poison Damage = (20 * Poison Skill Power + 3) * Poison Boosts The damage that Poison deals is dependent upon what skill was used to inflict it, but it can also be amplified in this game.  React skills are a staple of the 7th Dragon series. Most classes can use one to place a buff on themselves for a few turns. If the character fulfills a specific condition while the buff is in effect, they'll get an extra turn when the turn ends. And yes, reacts can still activate during an extra turn, so you could theoretically create a positive feedback loop where a character takes multiple actions in only 1 actual turn. And here's the exp formula: EXP = (Total EXP / # of living party members) * Character Multiplier The character multiplier is a special factor that depends on the party member's level. It's determined through a separate formula. Scaling Factor = Lowest Level in Enemy Group - Character's Level If Scaling Factor is equal to 20 or more, Character Multiplier is equal to 1.2. If Scaling Factor is equal to 1 to 19, Character Multiplier is equal to 1 + 0.01 * Scaling Factor. If Scaling Factor is equal to -5 to 0, Character Multiplier is equal to 1. If Scaling Factor is equal to -6 to -10, Character Multiplier is equal to 0.5. If Scaling Factor is equal to -11 or less, Character Multiplier is equal to 0.25. Basically, if you're at a lower level than intended, you'll be gaining exp pretty fast. If you're overleveled, don't expect to gain much. All characters share 3 skills, POW Bonus, INT Bonus, and SPD Bonus. All those increase those stats by a specific amount.    POW costs twice as much as the other skills since increasing POW does increase both the character's ATK and DEF stats. Which stats should be leveled up depends on the class, though unless said skills are a prerequisite to something, they shouldn't be leveled up until you have nothing else you want to spend your skill points on. Oh, and one last thing.  Rogues can equip Bows, which have a... special property. Namely that every time the Rogue fires an arrow from their bow, their accuracy decreases by 5% for each shot they make for the rest of the battle. The game does not tell you that this mechanic exists at all. Your only hint that said mechanic exists is that the Rogue specifically has a skill to reset said accuracy back to normal (which is not worded all that well), and that during long battles, your Rogue will mysteriously start missing their attacks very often. Welcome to 7th Dragon. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 07:54 on May 31, 2018 |
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In retrospect, my character'd probably just end up Aliara 2.0, so probably for the best she didn't get picked. Though, am pretty happy that princess was chosen, it's a pretty good portrait!Dr. Fetus posted:Rogues can equip Bows, which have a... special property. Namely that every time the Rogue fires an arrow from their bow, their accuracy decreases for the rest of the battle.  Of course it does! Wouldn't be not-Etrian Odyssey unless there was some stupid quirk. Wanted to say it was a bug, but why would they add a skill specifically for that?
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I assume the accuracy penalty is an attempt of balancing for the Rogue sitting in the back dealing good damage instead of getting punched in the face in the frontline. Strange thing is, bows are strongest early- to mid-game when battles are short enough anyways so the accuracy decrease does not even matter at this point. They have higher base attack, Bow Mastery scales better than Sword Mastery (although it takes more SP starting with rank 6) and they basically only need Double Shot to deal damage. All their other skills will rarely if ever get used. Daggers are more combo-oriented, have several good skills worth maxing and need a second mastery skill with Dagger Fetish to get good damage values. So as the game goes on and you get more skill points, daggers become slowly better while bows get actively worse since the accuracy decrease will have an effect more often which means a turn spent aiming. Yeah, I don't know if anyone in the thread already said it but there are some questionable design decisions in this game...
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Giving archers penalties and drawbacks to 'compensate for ranged their ranged capability' seems to be a trend in many games. They're mostly crap in Fire Emblem, for one. Meanwhile, mages,
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Ahahaha, everyone is going to DIE.blizzardvizard posted:Giving archers penalties and drawbacks to 'compensate for ranged their ranged capability' seems to be a trend in many games. They're mostly crap in Fire Emblem, for one. Is it an extension of the whole 'nerds vs. jocks' thing, and now the nerds are taking vicarious [pleasure in beating the jocks in their vidyagaemz? Was that even a thing in the first place? Anyway, what are the characters' canon names, if it's not too much trouble?
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blizzardvizard posted:Giving archers penalties and drawbacks to 'compensate for ranged their ranged capability' seems to be a trend in many games. They're mostly crap in Fire Emblem, for one. For the most part, spellcasters are "balanced" by having a secondary finite resource to have to manage. This means that if bows didn't have a downside they'd just be flatout better in most games since who wants to deal with micromanaging arrows and junk? It just doesn't work out like that at all in practice because MP (or item uses in FE) is either really easy to recover in multiple ways, something that affects everyone equally and so it's not really a balancing method or both.
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blizzardvizard posted:Giving archers penalties and drawbacks to 'compensate for ranged their ranged capability' seems to be a trend in many games. They're mostly crap in Fire Emblem, for one. Until Fates decided that Archers deserved to stop being awful, and then we got Takumi, who absolutely shatters the game's difficulty. The other Archers are also very good. And Takumi is still great in Heroes, too! Anyways, yay, my character got chosen! I'm sure I'll greatly enjoy seeing her and the rest of the guild in action over the course of the LP.
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One nice thing about the skill system is that a lot of skills are quite usable at low levels. It makes the early progression a lot faster than in the early etrians, also partially because of that extra skill point. EDIT: Also about the 1 skill point characters, the way you got the passwords for them was through a little promotional thing on the JP website http://dragon.sega.jp/ , where you talked to them a lot. One of the passwords is a little different though, as it starts you with a character that has special equipment. The stats are poor, but one piece disables random encounters, and the other piece disables bloom damage. Both very useful for obvious reasons. Wiffle fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Ah well, can't win all of them, I suppose. Congratulations to everyone who did get in, though. Also that accuracy thing is really gross and I'm glad that isn't in Etrian Odyssey. Survivalists would hate it so much.
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Figured mine wouldn't get in. Also, really? That Rogue bow thing sound terrible.
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It's definitely not a bug. There's a counter exclusive to the Rogue when they use a bow that goes up whenever they make a shot. It's hard capped at 255, since it's just a 1-bit counter. If I'm reading the code right, accuracy is capped between 50% and 150%. And that value gets multiplied by 5, meaning that every shot decreases the Rogue's accuracy by 5%. So they have some leeway before they start whiffing. Even at 255, shots will still hit 50% of the time, that much I can confirm. werbear posted:I assume the accuracy penalty is an attempt of balancing for the Rogue sitting in the back dealing good damage instead of getting punched in the face in the frontline. Bows deal more raw damage than swords, and don't need as much setup as Daggers. (Also to use Dagger Rogue to great effect, you really need a Princess.) I suspect it may have been implemented to curb a potential positive feedback loop with their react skill. Though nothing's stopping you from using Daggers instead. Really, my problem with it is that it's not communicated to the player well at all. CommissarMega posted:Anyway, what are the characters' canon names, if it's not too much trouble? The fan translation changed all the names due to the 6 character limit. I'll list both those and the Japanese names. Seems like the fan translated names are all references to voice actors. Wonder if the Japanese versions were the same way. From left to right:    English: Yuri, Robin, Shaw, Lee Japanese: Boon, Leo, Moiko, Harukara    English: Andy, Steve, Tricia, Brooks Japanese: Yac, Eustis, Melk, Hatch    English: David, Daniel, Ellen, Amanda Japanese: Shishimaru, Gassan, Ran, Namuna    English: Dwight, Keener, Black, Hale Japanese: Ares, Grion, Kate, Berich    English: Baker, Taylor, Draper, Erin Japanese: Sharuru, Glast, Ikarakun, Vanessa    English: Mark, North, Summer, Platt Japanese: Kevin, Jericho, Mol, Rosary    English: Rose, Ashley, Bailey, Taylor Japanese: Maron, Sora, Alusha, Momomeno EDIT: Whoops, forgot to include the exp formula. Added that into the basic mechanics post. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Welp, here I go. And I'm not using the humane patch.  I have a Samurai and a Knight, so it should be okay.
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blizzardvizard posted:And I'm not using the humane patch. But at least you have a lot of physical classes so you can get through battles even with low Mana. Healing up afterwards will sting, though.
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This game is fun so far, from what I've played, but I'm shocked by how there's practically no FAQs or walkthroughs for the game. I've been looking for a while now and there's absolutely no information about unlocking items in shops, which is plain crazy considering how long the game has been out.
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silversatyr posted:This game is fun so far, from what I've played, but I'm shocked by how there's practically no FAQs or walkthroughs for the game. I've been looking for a while now and there's absolutely no information about unlocking items in shops, which is plain crazy considering how long the game has been out. There wasn't much of a following at release for the English fanbase. Even though the game got a fan translation 3 years ago, it still didn't gather much attention. There are a couple of English resources out there, but they're fairly sparse in info. And the ones that do exist don't use the fan translated names, since those sites were created before the fan translation came out. Your best bet is either looking at the Japanese sites and using Google Translate (And trying to decipher the nonsense it will spit out), or trying to cross reference the fan translated names with the literal translations, and figure out which is which. Though with that said, unlike Etrian Odyssey, there's not really much emphasis on enemy drops unlocking items. Most of them just exist purely to be sold for cash and won't unlock anything. (Or get used in a fetch quest somewhere.)
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silversatyr posted:This game is fun so far, from what I've played, but I'm shocked by how there's practically no FAQs or walkthroughs for the game. I've been looking for a while now and there's absolutely no information about unlocking items in shops, which is plain crazy considering how long the game has been out. http://7thdragon.wikidot.com/ That is basically the best resource I have found. It has a weapon section and an enemies section; cross-referencing both will help you to find where you get stuff for new weapons. Although as Fetus said it is not as important as it in EO for most of the game. While traveling the world the RPG convention of New City -> New Shop -> Better Stuff is still in effect.
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Feb 25, 2017 09:41
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I, embarrassingly enough, found the answer to that - when buying an item, if you click on the ???? items that unlock, it tells you in-game what items you need and how many. It also includes items that you've not found yet. It's helpful to know that and I wish it had been mentioned in what the game has of tutorials, but at least it's there. Thanks anyway, though!
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Feb 26, 2017 07:58
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So is the music link to "Hidden Truth" purposefully "That's The Beginning of the Adventure" as a joke or....?
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Feb 26, 2017 09:48
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freshlybaked posted:So is the music link to "Hidden Truth" purposefully "That's The Beginning of the Adventure" as a joke or....? I have absolutely no idea how that even happened. It was linked properly while I was working on that update.  Fixed it.
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Feb 26, 2017 09:52
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Update 2: Touring Kazan     This is what was voted on, so Odyssey is what we'll be going with.      The story of Kazan's founding, in detail.  A comprehensive listing of currently active guilds.  ...Is this Erin's? There are several places you can examine to get some extra flavor text.   Okay, we did all that we could in here. Let's exit the guild office.  These splash screens pop up when you enter a town for the first time. A short description of said town is in Japanese. For the record, I have no idea what they say.    There are various kinds of containers around towns that can contain an item or something else. It's generally worth your time to inspect them.  Paro Fruits are the basic healing item in this game. At this point, 30 Life is pretty much a full heal for a few classes. Like I said, looking around town can be worth your time.    We're not allowed to explore the town until we enter that building.     May as well. Welcome to the Quest Office! We're all over the world. Our job is to connect Hunters and clients. First, go about town to discover new quests. Then, stop by the Office to formally accept them. Next, talk with the client to get the details. And once you're done, come back to the Quest Office for a reward. If you find a quest is completely impossible, you can cancel it. There are Quest Offices in lots of countries, not just in Kazan. You can accept and turn in quests at all of them. However, each guild can only be assigned to three quests at one time. We hope the questing life works out wonderfully for you! Best of luck! I'll talk a bit more about the quest system later, but all I'll say for now is that it has problems.      As we go to leave...   Why don't we listen to him and start customizing our characters?  Fighters have 2 weapons that they can make use of, swords or axes. Sword skills are faster to go off compared to axes, and they can hit multiple enemies at once. While axes can only target 1 enemy and are slower to go off, but they're more powerful than swords. Which is why I'm going with an axe build for Stella. I just prefer having more offensive power.  Leveling up Axecraft to 1 unlocks Power Crash, which I pick up for Stella in case I want her to deal more damage than usual. I won't be leveling it past 1, but it should hold her over for now. It has a speed modifier of 85%, and deals 130% damage at level 1. Spending a skill point like this may seem wasteful to an EO player, but the early game in 7th Dragon is really rough, and I need all the help I can get. Also, you have plenty of skill points to spare in 7th Dragon.  Medicine is the basic mastery skill for Healers. What it does is provide a boost to healing and cast speed of healing skills. Though it doesn't do anything at level 1 since the healing bonus and cast speed multiplier are both 100%. Now the healing boost isn't applied to the actual healing component. Instead, it's applied to a 20% boost that's applied to all healing skills, so it's not as potent as it could be.  Cure I is the basic healing skill. It has a speed modifier of 80%, and has a base healing of 12 HP.  The Healer's main form of offense is inflicting Poison upon their enemies. I'm mainly getting this for Edward just so he has something to do other than being a healbot. Toxicology affects both Poison damage and casting speed, but like with Medicine, Toxicology basically does nothing at level 1 since both of those modifiers are at 100%.  I pick up Shock Mastery which increases Lightning damage and the cast speed of Lighting spells. Of course, it does nothing at level 1. However, these skills really don't do much when it comes to increasing damage, because they only increase spell damage by 3 or 4 points per level. Yeah... At least they do have a somewhat noticeable effect on casting speed.  Shock deals Lightning damage to one enemy. It has a speed modifier of 80%, has a spell power of 300%, and a damage multiplier of 150% at level 1.  I'm gonna pick up all 3 elements for Nila, but I'm mainly gonna focus on Ice and Lighting. Mainly because Fire is kind of the “worst” element in this game. Ice tends to be the big weakness for a lot of bosses, and Lightning can provide additional coverage on top of that.  Nobility increases the casting speed of holy songs. Like with all other mastery skills, it does nothing at level 1.  Heated Words places a buff on the party that increases their ATK stat. It has an 80% speed modifier, and at level 1, it applies an 110% multiplier to the party's attack stat. Something to keep in mind is that most of the Princess' holy songs have a permanent duration, so they won't wear off until the battle ends, or if a party member dies. Even if you're not interested in offensive buffs for whatever reason, you should still invest one point into this since it can dispel attack debuffs.  Hard Words has an 80% speed modifier and applies an 110% multiplier to the party's defense stat at level 1 for the duration of the battle. I'm not really a fan of Hard Words, since I prefer offensive buffs over defensive ones. Though it's definitely worth it to take a point in this since it can dispel defense debuffs. Anyways, once we leave the quest office...    The game helpfully points out which NPCs you need to talk to. Don't expect it to keep this up.       Once a quest opens up, you can accept it at any time from the Quest Office. Kazan's quest clerk is at the left desk in the Quest Office. Go and take a look! In order to initiate quests in this game, you have to talk with NPCs. Outside of those 3 NPCs the game indicated, you can't really tell which NPC will give you a quest or not. So basically, talk to everyone.  The man starts to leave.  The man leaves.     Translation: heading to Miross right away will result in your party getting slaughtered.  Eh, it's still free money. It's nice to find at this point in the game.     7th Dragon has a couple of gag treasures that you can't really get.         Poison, petrification, and death are the only status effects that persist outside of battle. All others go away once the battle ends.      And another quest is available. I'll pick them up once I've unlocked the last one.      A nice bit of money around here.   Wait until the 4th game.   There's a shop over here, so let's check it out.  We can talk to the shopkeepers, but they only have 1 line that never changes throughout the entire game.     We can't really afford this stuff, and it's not that great anyway.      Ooh, we'll be able to start some serious shopping soon.  Resting at an inn recovers all your party member's Life and Mana, as well as refilling their EX Gauges. However, it can't dispel status effects or revive dead party members. And dead party members are unaffected by sleeping at an inn. There's also a penalty to using them, but that won't be seen for a while. They also serve as a way you can save your game, as 7th Dragon makes use of a save point system instead of a save anywhere system. Thankfully, you don't have to pay for an inn stay to save your game.  To dispel any status effects and revive dead party members, you need to talk with the person who runs the revival clinic instead.          The man leaves.         All this shop sells is Paro Fruits. If you have a Healer in the party, you can probably save your money for other things. Cure I should suffice for now.   The man leaves.  And here's the weapon shop. Oh, about that 100% thing at the top, don't worry about it for now. It won't be relevant until later.   Swords can be equipped by multiple classes, and are considered to be a melee weapon.  Axes can only be equipped by Fighters. They're generally more powerful than swords, but most of them come with a SPD penalty to compensate. They're also considered melee weapons.  Wands are actually one of the stronger weapon types in the game, though they can only be used by the casting classes. Some of them come with some nice stat boosts, though the starting wand doesn't come with them. Again, it's considered to be a melee weapon.  Whips can only be used by Princesses (And those are the only weapon type they can make use of.) They're actually the weakest weapon type in the game, but they are considered to be a ranged weapon. So there's absolutely no reason to have a Princess in the front row unless you somehow don't have a frontliner.  Bows can only be used by Rogues. They're obviously a ranged weapon, but they all have a hidden property where every time an arrow gets fired from one, the Rogue's accuracy gets reduced by 5% per shot for the rest of the battle. There's a lower cap of 50%, so the Rogue can't ever not hit, but it can be annoying to run into in long battles. Of course depending on the Rogue's SPD stat, their accuracy can go as high as 150%, so it may take a while for them to get there. There are two weapon types that aren't available in the shop right now. One of them are daggers. They're only usable by Rogues, and along with whips, they're also the weakest weapon type in the game. They're considered to be melee weapons. The other one are katanas, and those can only be used by Samurai. Samurai specifically need katanas to make use of most of their skills, so for a good part of the earlygame, they won't be able to use said skills. For the time being, they'll have to stick with swords.       You might want to spend your starting money on armor upgrades. Those defense boosts may not seem like much, but they can increase the number of attacks enemies will need to make to kill a character. Even forcing them to make 1 extra attack can make a huge difference, especially since reviving characters without going to a revival clinic isn't possible to pull off at this point in the game.  I don't do any of that and proceed to bankrupt my party by buying a Hand Axe for Stella.          Okay, now that we've activated all 3 quests, let's take them up.      You can't really just accept the quest on the spot, you have to go to the quest office first, then take them up. It's a little cumbersome.  Talking to her again will net us another hint.  This is probably the easiest quest to do, so I recommend getting it done first.    It's probably best to save this quest for last, as the enemies around Miross are very dangerous to our party for the moment.  This is just a fetch quest, and there are a lot of those in this game. We just need to kill a few monsters for their item drops, but the monsters that drop these are a little tough to deal with at this point in the game. Just a word of warning.  Next time we'll leave town and get some quests done. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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Feb 27, 2017 21:21
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Let me guess, you also have to go back to the questgiver first and then go back to the Quest Office to turn it in? Pointless busywork 
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Feb 27, 2017 21:42
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It does seem like the whole quest system could've been simplified a bit. There's no real point in having to find the quest-giver, who could be anyone, and then go to the guild. At least mark the NPCs that give quests, geez.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:55
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