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Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


hakimashou posted:

Our justice system might be incapable, but I don't believe it is impossible for any justice system ever to be so.

And in cases where a perpetrator is indeed guilty of murder, it is not morally wrong to execute him for it.

I don't agree that executing a guilty murderer is itself murder, any more than arresting a suspect on good evidence of a crime is 'kidnapping' or imposing a fine to punish a wrongdoing is 'theft.'

This is a pipe dream. In order to pursue a justice system that cannot make mistakes, it must undertake a complete surveillance of its citizens to do so.

And let's not forget that if the death penalty is available, it can be used as leverage by prosecuting attorneys in cases to get an accused person to plead guilty to a lesser charge to take death off the table, even if they have a meritorious defence (http://www.ncsc.org/~/media/Files/P...mWVvRJJUuQq9hQg)

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Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


hakimashou posted:

Better surveillance is one way to mitigate the risk of wrongful conviction.

Dude, just stop. We can never get the desired result you want, without giving up other fundamental freedoms. Most people will not agree to giving up those freedoms, so we're back to an imperfect system. So no death penalty.

Also, if you could address my point about how the death penalty is used as a bludgeon by prosecuting attorneys to leverage plea bargains, that would be great.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


DoggPickle posted:

3. Murder.. Well, screw this dude. If there is convincing, indisputable non-racist evidence, AND a confession, just kill them immediately.

Confessions aren't as rock solid as you might think. When you have free second to he horrified by the conduct of the police, google "Reid Technique." (the kid in making a murderer is a classic case of Reid technique in action.)

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