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In Europe generally that's how it's gone, where it goes unused for decades if not more until it's removed from the books (except for treason in time of war or something to that nature generally). The more I learn about forensics and the US criminal courts the scarier having death penalty on the books is. I wouldn't be that surprised if the actual amount of innocent people executed was much higher than estimated.
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I've worked a lot with Finnish prisoners and ex-cons and we have a recidivism rate of around ~30% for first time offenders, including murderers. Contrary to popular american belief, most murders don't happen because man bad, man want kill.Here, for manslaughter you do maybe 3-5 years, murder (defined as homicide carried in a specially brutal manner or with forethought) you do ~9 years. First time offenders sit around half, young first timers around a third. Here's the catch: during this time they will learn anger management, cognitive skills, get treatment for possible mental/substance abuse issues and if possible learn a trade or get a degree. They will be provided a social worker who will help them find an apartment and fill out unemployment forms to avoid them having to commit crime to afford rent/food etc while searching for a job. Only certain types of jobs will ask for your criminal record. Mostly things that involve children, drugs or especially valuable corporate secrets. It's not that we don't get people whining about the short sentences or saying justice hasn't been served. But the truth is, unless you wanna just kill everyone or lock them up for life. These people will be your neighbors. It's in everyones interest to make sure they're as well rounded as possible with hope and prospects once they get out. A few years of losing your personal freedom is a lot harsher than you would think. It fucks up your job, your relationships even with your kids, it makes you more anxious to be around people and less able to express yourself. Turn off your PC and limit yourself to your apartment (and your balcony a few hours a day). Call your kids a few times a week. Do this for five years and see if it feels like a punishment or not. The US criminal justice system is completely based on the notion of proportional revenge being justice, as long as you don't call it revenge and it will completely poison the well of any discussion re: death penalty. Death penalty needs to go, but it needs to go as part of a complete ground up rework of the system. edit: We have repeat murderers obviously. But very rarely, and mostly connected to organized crime. We could warp the entire system to work around these people and gently caress up a good chunk of society doing so, or we can simply accept that like the mythical welfare or voter fraud, sometimes it's not very good to throw the baby away with the bathwater. Kehveli fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Here's a shocker for you: People who commit murders either a) don't think they're going to be caught or b) are so emotional that they don't even think about the fact. The idea of the drunk man doing a loving risk-reward calculation before bashing in the face of the mailman they find loving their wife is loving laughable. As is people as rational actors in general.
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