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Not a fan of weregild then, I guess.
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Orange Devil posted:It accomplishes compensating the person who was unjustly harmed by the state. I suppose if you view the concept of justice as existing on aggregate rather than individually, it doesn't make as much difference who gets compensated.
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Mar 17, 2017 21:38
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Orange Devil posted:Maybe the state should mete out punishment to random citizens rather than guilty individuals whenever a crime is committed. You know, to serve justice on aggregate. I mean as in, the point of it is that the state in this idea is the entity being "punished" in theory by being required to give up its resources and do something theoretically good to make up for the bad thing it did. Again the idea's similar to weregild so it's not a completely insane one, though I would probably argue it doesn't really work because if you punish the state you punish everyone and why shouldn't the state just give out a load of money anyway if it could? The idea that generalized restitution can be part of the sentence for a crime is not that weird, it just mostly makes sense when you're dealing with individual people rather than states, which can't really learn the way a person can, and whose sole duty is already, supposedly, to promote as much welfare as possible. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 03:23
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Strictly you could achieve most of those in general by just killing people at random.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:55
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DoggPickle posted:Not really. Well, people killed at random: *Will not commit any more crimes. *Will never require social security *Will never be an emotional or financial drain on their friends and family. *Will never injure anyone. *Stand, presumably, at least a 50% chance of increasing the net morality of the population. *Is less horrifying (to some) than living in general. *Will not tempt other people to do illegal things *Might deserve it *If they have aggrieved someone they will get revenge/justice. *Assuming that people are perfectly rational, will deter others from procreating which will help with overpopulation. So really the only benefits to executing people convicted of crimes over just random people is on a couple of your initial points being somewhat more likely to apply.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:22
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Well the person being executed under the guise of criminal justice might not have aggrieved someone or deserve it either. But even if we grant that it's slightly more likely to apply to criminals it doesn't really change the fact that, by the majority of those criteria, killing people in general is actually good. Which also means anyone you would execute for murder is actually good and so you can't execute them. Except you should anyway because it's good.
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Mar 20, 2017 02:13
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In that case you really should come up with more painful execution methods so you can squeeze even more justice out of every execution and then you've got some spare in case you need some for other crimes.
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Mar 26, 2017 00:23
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You know what might be even more humane, get this, it's this radical idea, not torturing people. Amazing right.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:56
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Orange Devil posted:How the gently caress is getting paid to kill people morally acceptable anyhow? I mean, the army exists.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:36
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Orange Devil posted:At least nominally exists to protect people rather than commit wars of aggression. I think, to be honest, a lot of people are entirely fine with the army doing wars of aggression. That doesn't make it right but it does perhaps explain why there is limited public concern about the concept of killing people for money as long as it is draped in sufficiently florid language.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:15
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If you think executions are good you should go into a lottery to do them yourself, with an axe. On TV. Let's bring back the headsman.
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I think the UK is supposed to be moving to fines being a portion of income. Applying it to the thread topic, how about execution only for the rich?
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