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twodot posted:I suppose my problem is that you didn't point out how the stupid the idea of absolute certainty of guilt is. They asserted it existed, you asserted it doesn't, neither of you bothered to define their terms or make an effort to show they were right or the other person was wrong. If you're attempting to convince people that think absolute certainty does, sometimes, exist, you are doing a complete poo poo job at it. In this particular case, it turns out you're right, but I have no clue why you would think someone who disagreed with you could read your post and be convinced you're right. Why do lawyers always post like this?
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Really, when you think about it, the death penalty is just a secular form of human sacrifice.
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Feb 28, 2017 13:33
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Hakimashou is deliberately mixing up the concept of responsibility and the concept of forethought and intent, calling them all "guilt" in order to play rhetorical tricks.
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Feb 28, 2017 14:33
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Yeah my dude killing unrepentant murderers of opportunity is barbaric and obviously wrong, but brainwashing them with my universality egalitarian moral framework is the poo poo. Death is preferable to being persuaded? Are you sure you want to say this?
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Mar 12, 2017 03:34
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Smudgie Buggler posted:What the hell makes you think I care in the slightest what the guy who killed his wife for money would prefer? Indoctrination doesn't mean brainwashing, either, my guy.
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Mar 12, 2017 03:48
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Are you retarded? Your incompetence at linking images is almost as good as you not reading the list of synonyms all the way through before posting it.
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Mar 12, 2017 03:53
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Smudgie Buggler posted:OK so you're going to rely on "brainwashing" and "persuading" being the same thing? No, I'm saying that "indoctrinate" is a concept that overlaps both of them and you shrieking about how rehabilitative justice is evil is far more telling about your moral failings than it is an ethical argument.
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Mar 12, 2017 03:58
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Smudgie Buggler posted:a) I'm not doing that, I'm asking why anybody should give enough of a poo poo about what the wife-murderer would prefer to want to spend the difference between a .45 to the back of the head and decades of whatever fluffy rehabilitative re-education camp you idiots have in mind I was making a point about your preferences, that you believe death is superior to persuasion on a moral level. Which, I see, you actually do believe. One wonders why you're not railing for the reinstitution of corporal punishment, since after all prison only guarantees psychological damage. Surely, from your point of view, it would be better if criminals were guaranteed to be maimed when they came out?
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Mar 12, 2017 04:03
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Smudgie Buggler posted:This implies I think it's preferable to shoot you than convince you not to kill me. Not the case. I'm not defending prisons as rehabilitative, you loving idiot, as you should, by all rights, have been able to figure out by reading my post where I said that prisons are injurious and that you should object to them because they're not injurious enough. How did you get through college with that level of reading comprehension? Did you maintain a solid C- average?
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Mar 12, 2017 04:12
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Smudgie Buggler posted:gently caress me you're an angry little man. Don't sign your posts.
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Given that fines and prison terms are interconvertible for certain offenses, if we are concerned about proportionality, we must in turn be able to pay our way out of any prison term or death sentence, treating a death sentence as equivalent to life in prison and calculating the precise cost from actuarial tables.
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