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Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
that boobplate is a lot less egregious than most fantasy lady armor tends to be

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SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Stormcast already have majestically sculpted titties on their armour though :colbert:

Agreed it's less egregious, but still, a headswap or something would've been much less work surely.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
making it a bit smaller is a way to add visual distinction to a rather bland looking faction i guess?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

making it a bit smaller is a way to add visual distinction to a rather bland looking faction i guess?

Surely there are ways to add visual distinction that don't involve boob plate. It's 2017. Let's move on already.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Atlas Hugged posted:

Surely there are ways to add visual distinction that don't involve boob plate. It's 2017. Let's move on already.

good thing i didnt say anything bout the boobplate making it visually distinct but hey man whatever. forge your own narrative and all that

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

good thing i didnt say anything bout the boobplate making it visually distinct but hey man whatever. forge your own narrative and all that

Sorry, I thought you meant "making boob plate that's a bit smaller [than boob plate tends to be]" in relation to these posts. My mistake for inferring.

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

that boobplate is a lot less egregious than most fantasy lady armor tends to be


SteelMentor posted:

Stormcast already have majestically sculpted titties on their armour though :colbert:

Agreed it's less egregious, but still, a headswap or something would've been much less work surely.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
nope, talkin bout the figure being smaller in size compared to the male stormcast

here lemme post the image so everyone can see for themselves

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Atlas Hugged posted:

Surely there are ways to add visual distinction that don't involve boob plate. It's 2017. Let's move on already.

The smaller size is not great, but what visual distinction would you choose? It's an entirely armoured figure, really they should be genderless.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Wazzu posted:

The smaller size is not great, but what visual distinction would you choose? It's an entirely armoured figure, really they should be genderless.

I'm fine with visual distinction between models that has nothing to do with gender. They should basically be genderless when in armor with the helmet on. I liked the idea that a poster had where their armor is decorated with trinkets from their past life. So a former Bretonnian might have a bit of coloring from his old livery on a pauldron or an Imperial might have their sigil on their armor somewhere.

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011

it's funny how introducing the WHITE PRIDE GIRLS HAVE COOTIES marines into fantasy has turned out to be their stepping stone to making the game more diverse. it's still tiny GW baby steps in tyool 2017 obviously but hey.

i'm also down with the female sigmarine because being smaller and slimmer is just what they should all look like anyway. as if anyone's body is the shape of that loving golden sumo armour.

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
I'm sick of all these unofficial rules for Sigmar. This game is not about being creative. It's about being OFFICIAL And the only way it can be official is if Games Workshop says it is. Look, if you make your own rules, dont expect me to play you in an official game. That would be a worthless waste of time. If I have fun, I want it to be official fun, that's all.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

GreenMarine posted:

I'm sick of all these unofficial rules for Sigmar. This game is not about being creative. It's about being OFFICIAL And the only way it can be official is if Games Workshop says it is. Look, if you make your own rules, dont expect me to play you in an official game. That would be a worthless waste of time. If I have fun, I want it to be official fun, that's all.

Source dem quotes.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Shadespire updates:

quote:

New push-fit models for Shadespire

Game is a custom-deck arena warband game with minis.

Build a warband using your deck, fight on the board using the minis and cards.

There are both cards in your hand, and objective cards.

Board has variable setup options.

Set in the Mortal Realms.

Warbands have been trapped in the “Mirror Realms” forcing them to fight for eternity.

More Warbands are coming, ships initially with Stormcasts & Bloodbound.

Designed to support comprehensive competitive organized play.

Heroes will get AoS warscrolls, might transfer to Warhammer Quest.

Designed for extremely fast play. A set of “best out of 3” games takes 40 minutes.

NOT a CCG, cards are set in each box.

It’s a CORE STUDIO game, not a Specialist Game.

Spent 1 year in development.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

GreenMarine posted:

I got sick of the same 5 guys posting the same flamebait and closed it. Don't mind debates about the game, but I couldn't bother investing in the forum when the forum wasn't paying a return.

What does this even mean lol?

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo

TKIY posted:

Source dem quotes.

From the "Fans of Age of Sigmar" facebook.

Moola posted:

What does this even mean lol?

Maybe not the best choice of words. I got frustrated and angry and then acted rashly. Evidence why I shouldn't OP a thread. I act against my own interests when, in trying to contribute to the community, I blow something up.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

GreenMarine posted:

Maybe not the best choice of words. I got frustrated and angry and then acted rashly. Evidence why I shouldn't OP a thread. I act against my own interests when, in trying to contribute to the community, I blow something up.

A thread closure is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for posters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the OP than on the posters. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

TKIY posted:

A thread closure is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for posters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the OP than on the posters. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.

A+ post

Would read again!

Natrapx
Jan 13, 2010

The x is for xenogamy

Moola posted:

A+ post

Would read again!

And you're the reason it happened.

Natrapx fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Mar 23, 2017

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
So here's an unexpected thing:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warscroll-builder-coming-soon/

They are actually going to make Warscroll Builder, which is a third party list maker, official.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Saw that last night, seems like a super cool gesture.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
It's better than the official app, good for them.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

TKIY posted:

It’s a CORE STUDIO game, not a Specialist Game.

Spent 1 year in development.
:allears:


TKIY posted:

A thread closure is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for posters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the OP than on the posters. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.
I'm at a loss for words.

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
More Shadespire images:




GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Mar 23, 2017

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
These are real cool sculpts in there. I'ma sand some tiddies.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!
I like the animation in the poses, much better than previous AoS models.

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011

those look like quality models but I'm disappointed we aren't getting some of malekith's shadow elf bois with a name like Shadespire, they're one of the few AoS revamps that actually intrigues me.

e: they look like they're from a different company or a kickstarter or some poo poo, which in this case is good as hell.

TKIY posted:

A thread closure is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for posters to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the OP than on the posters. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.
oh my loving life

Saint Drogo fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Mar 23, 2017

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Looks like Elves of some sort are up next however. Probably Dark Elves from the little serpent dragon and the albinism.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Are those models done in board game plastic?

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

TKIY posted:

Are those models done in board game plastic?

I assume it's just like Blood Bowl or Space Hulk where they made them colors for people who want to play it straight out of the box instead of paint them.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

TKIY posted:

Are those models done in board game plastic?

No, that's HIPS as normal. Basically two sprues the same size as the sprues from the Storm of Sigmar £20 starter but coloured.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



GreenMarine posted:

I'm sick of all these unofficial rules for Sigmar. This game is not about being creative. It's about being OFFICIAL And the only way it can be official is if Games Workshop says it is. Look, if you make your own rules, dont expect me to play you in an official game. That would be a worthless waste of time. If I have fun, I want it to be official fun, that's all.

did they ever fix the OFFICIAL rules of your army being some fences around a very nice looking tree

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
The thing that bothers me about GW apologists is their insistence that being able to play the game how they want is somehow mutually exclusive from a game having comprehensive rules and balanced mechanics. Do they not realize that there is no miniature game police? I could go to my FLGS tomorrow and play a game of Kings of War where I fielded nothing but Troops even though that's a clear violation of the rules. As long as my opponent agrees, who cares?

I do not understand what is controversial about saying, "It is better to have good rules that you can choose to ignore than it is to have an incomplete game."

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Business Gorillas posted:

did they ever fix the OFFICIAL rules of your army being some fences around a very nice looking tree
There's no sudden death in matched play so if you do that at a tournament you could just watch the other player sit on objectives and win while your terrain does nothing.

Or you could try to do that with Open Play and people would just stop playing with you.

Atlas Hugged posted:

The thing that bothers me about GW apologists is their insistence that being able to play the game how they want is somehow mutually exclusive from a game having comprehensive rules and balanced mechanics. Do they not realize that there is no miniature game police? I could go to my FLGS tomorrow and play a game of Kings of War where I fielded nothing but Troops even though that's a clear violation of the rules. As long as my opponent agrees, who cares?

I do not understand what is controversial about saying, "It is better to have good rules that you can choose to ignore than it is to have an incomplete game."
People who were fine with Open Play and no points boggle my mind.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
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mango sentinel posted:

People who were fine with Open Play and no points boggle my mind.

To me it's the "dumb kid clause" and GW not realizing that there would be people who didn't want to play that way. When my friends and I were dumb kids on limited budgets, we often didn't have enough models to make legal units or we didn't have the right types of units to make legal armies. "My friend has 8 plastic halbediers and a hellblaster volley gun, but that doesn't work out to >50% and <25%, guess he can't play." Obviously we could have just played if we wanted to, and inevitably we did, but we always felt like we weren't really playing Warhammer. So it's nice when the official rules recognize that as a legitimate way to play and you don't think that you're "playing wrong". Even the Kings of War book says if you're playing smaller games not to worry about points or army composition. Just play with what you have ready.

As an adult with limited free time, if I get some models painted up, I want to put them on the table right away, but that doesn't always mean I have a legal way to field them. So just taking what you want regardless of strict composition rules does have a time and a place.

The issue isn't that GW emphasized this, it's that they didn't realize that people still like competitive play in addition to that and sometimes you want to see who the better commander is on an even battlefield. So the General's Handbook was a step in the right direction and it seems they're going to be avoiding this in Age of the Emperor.

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011

Atlas Hugged posted:

The thing that bothers me about GW apologists is their insistence that being able to play the game how they want is somehow mutually exclusive from a game having comprehensive rules and balanced mechanics. Do they not realize that there is no miniature game police? I could go to my FLGS tomorrow and play a game of Kings of War where I fielded nothing but Troops even though that's a clear violation of the rules. As long as my opponent agrees, who cares?

I do not understand what is controversial about saying, "It is better to have good rules that you can choose to ignore than it is to have an incomplete game."
remember when that GW manager wrote the angry Facebook posts thanking them for freeing players from the tyranny of points lol

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Atlas Hugged posted:

The thing that bothers me about GW apologists is their insistence that being able to play the game how they want is somehow mutually exclusive from a game having comprehensive rules and balanced mechanics. Do they not realize that there is no miniature game police? I could go to my FLGS tomorrow and play a game of Kings of War where I fielded nothing but Troops even though that's a clear violation of the rules. As long as my opponent agrees, who cares?

I do not understand what is controversial about saying, "It is better to have good rules that you can choose to ignore than it is to have an incomplete game."

I'm slowly realizing this might be linked to the same sort of terrible nerd arguments that are diagetic in nature and plague our communities. The obvious one is the diagesis of the media being consumed compared to the exegesis of why the hell are all these minis giant boobs with no clothing. Or dumb star wars v star trek stuff. But then you have rulesets and rules-as-physics in D&D and maybe it stems from the same thing: lack of critical analytic ability and creativity. The "D&D causes brain damage" chestnut from the old grognards.txt. It honestly is really weird that these same patterns keep coming up and the arguments are all the same.

Breaking the hallowed rules of army list creation is the same as your MGS5's Quiet wearing clothes breaking my verisimilitude since she needs her pores open to breathe.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Atlas Hugged posted:

To me it's the "dumb kid clause" and GW not realizing that there would be people who didn't want to play that way. When my friends and I were dumb kids on limited budgets, we often didn't have enough models to make legal units or we didn't have the right types of units to make legal armies. "My friend has 8 plastic halbediers and a hellblaster volley gun, but that doesn't work out to >50% and <25%, guess he can't play." Obviously we could have just played if we wanted to, and inevitably we did, but we always felt like we weren't really playing Warhammer. So it's nice when the official rules recognize that as a legitimate way to play and you don't think that you're "playing wrong". Even the Kings of War book says if you're playing smaller games not to worry about points or army composition. Just play with what you have ready.

As an adult with limited free time, if I get some models painted up, I want to put them on the table right away, but that doesn't always mean I have a legal way to field them. So just taking what you want regardless of strict composition rules does have a time and a place.

The issue isn't that GW emphasized this, it's that they didn't realize that people still like competitive play in addition to that and sometimes you want to see who the better commander is on an even battlefield. So the General's Handbook was a step in the right direction and it seems they're going to be avoiding this in Age of the Emperor.

Oh I definitely understand why it exists and think it's a good thing as a supported format, it's just confusing to think it was ever the only format and people were like "yes, good."

Like reading about/listening to podcasts about the General's Handbook Handbook release and hearing people mad they were adding points is weird. I'm new to wargaming so I'm fascinated by how hardcore some people are about fluffy/anti-competitive aspects of the game. I certainly lean towards fluff since I don't think GW rules are very conducive to meaningful competitive play, but I like the idea of having objectives and a loose metric of balance even if I'm gonna play a less strict format.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

mango sentinel posted:

Oh I definitely understand why it exists and think it's a good thing as a supported format, it's just confusing to think it was ever the only format and people were like "yes, good."

What's frustrating is that all of these arguments are in bad faith. It's not like the GW faithful actually want a good game. They want a GW game where GW packages everything nicely for them, from the top of the hobby to the bottom. They get legitimately angry and confused when people explain to them that there are better ways to engage with miniatures as a hobby. That isn't to say that GW has no merit or that enjoying it isn't legitimate or that everyone who plays GW games has that mindset. It's just that for a certain group of people, they have attached their identities to GW and so if GW says it, it must be true.

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
Some recently completed things:







Have 2 palladors finished and the third one waiting. Probably will finish the Gorechosen characters first.

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vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I really, really, really want to like Age of Sigmar and give GW money but like... it's bad. It doesn't do it for me. The game is bad, the lore is bad, and well, if the Perry Bros can sell that many quality plastic figures for so cheap then GW certainly could if they respected us. I miss you, Warhammer. I miss the ICs and Garagehammer and being psyched for 8th ed. I even miss Gdubs. gently caress you, Sigmar.

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