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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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I voted pissflaps but would honestly be ok with the beast as leader of the opposition and, hell, government. And when he wins we can just drop McDonnel there. e; Romulus raped the sabines and declared victory for Rome today. Personally I'm skeptical of our ability to accurately date events before rome, but there we go. Also the Bank was nationalised and Stalin died. Sad! Brave Hero Bobby Sands begins starving himself all the way to Westminster, more importantly. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Then again it also shows why Labour needs better MPs. That's pretty much what Ken Loach says
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Mar 1, 2017 14:51
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Why don't people want to vote Labour when choosing an MP? Must be the right wing media
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Mar 1, 2017 14:52
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A fascinating statistic https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/836938203777085442
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Mar 1, 2017 14:58
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Paxman posted:Why don't people want to vote Labour when choosing an MP? Must be the right wing media you saying it sarcastically doesn't make your point true like this you're not a dumbass
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Mar 1, 2017 15:02
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40% of voters are either malicious or misinformed enough to burn everything to the ground (I'm being generous and not counting UKIP) and it's definitely nothing to do with the sole mechanism in place to inform the electorate on what happens in their country e; that is to say, either the media have nothing to do with voter intention, which is bad, being that is supposedly part of its job; or the media are right wing, which is bad, because that makes them scum vote lib dem or something idgaf, tories are bad people who do bad things to the world and should under no circumstance be tolerated Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 15:09
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Pissflaps posted:A fascinating statistic This isn't unexpected. Labour's stance on Brexit is likely to prevent loss to UKIP but as I said when they adopted it, cause them to haemorrhage votes to the Lib Dems. Unsurprisingly for a lot of Remain voters, staying in the EU is a big enough topic that they'll hold their nose at things they dislike about the Lib Dems.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:11
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I'm really glad that since this is mostly jeremy corbyn's fault there are no other countries in the world currently struggling with terrible applications of democracy also when corbyn resigns and labour still lose it'll be his fault because he's actually a wizard
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Mar 1, 2017 15:22
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It'll take some time to recover from the damage he's done.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:25
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Maybe the lack of any far left wing governments in our lifetimes in Britain and the abysmal performance in polls of Corbynismo just go to prove it's unpopular and not what British people want.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:27
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Now is the time it's taking to recover from the long term damage that Neoliberalism (Blair) has done. I know we try not to reply to pissflaps, but hakimashou posted:Maybe the lack of any far left wing governments in our lifetimes in Britain and the abysmal performance in polls of Corbynismo just go to prove it's unpopular and not what British people want. You're still a genocide apologist and a massive rear end in a top hat, go gently caress yourself.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:28
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Mar 1, 2017 15:29
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Paxman posted:Why don't people want to vote Labour when choosing an MP? Must be the history of centrist, New Labour neo-liberal policies loving them over for decades.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:31
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Miftan posted:Now is the time it's taking to recover from the long term damage that Neoliberalism (Blair) has done. What 'recovery'? That's why they're voting for the centrist, neoliberal Tory party instead. It's a protest vote because Labour isn't left wing enough.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:34
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Maybe Labour needs a leader who will say "fine, if Britain doesn't want immigrants we won't have immigrants. Let's save the NHS and fix our housing problems and make Britain a better place to live."
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Mar 1, 2017 15:34
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Pissflaps posted:What 'recovery'? Blair won too many elections and keep the tories out of power for too long or something, I guess.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:35
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hakimashou posted:Maybe Labour needs a leader who will say "fine, if Britain doesn't want immigrants we won't have immigrants. Let's save the NHS and fix our housing problems and make Britain a better place to live." Are you advocating a form of socialism based on nativism? Sort of a 'national' socialism? Would it have camps?
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Mar 1, 2017 15:38
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feedmegin posted:Are you advocating a form of socialism based on nativism? Sort of a 'national' socialism? Would it have camps? All I know is that Britain sounds pretty bad. Like here in America we are a nation of immigrants, but you guys were colonial oppressors and you even say that your best prime minister in a generation was a war criminal. What you're doing now with Corbyn, it ain't workin. The brits want bad, sure, but does it have to be all bad, like with the tories? Maybe you can find a way to mix some good in with the bad. It's got to be worth a shot.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:41
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feedmegin posted:Are you advocating a form of socialism based on nativism? Sort of a 'national' socialism? Would it have camps? "Labour will set you free".
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Mar 1, 2017 15:41
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Pissflaps posted:A fascinating statistic Not surprising. finding it increasingly hard to defend labour when people say they've switched to the Lib dems, because the current policy on europe is so shite
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Mar 1, 2017 15:46
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hakimashou posted:Maybe Labour needs a leader who will say "fine, if Britain doesn't want immigrants we won't have immigrants. Let's save the NHS and fix our housing problems and make Britain a better place to live." Can you identify yourself ethno-nationally so I know who I want to genocide, thanks e; also I know you're the arriviste of our genocide apologists but I want to let you know for the sake of informed discussion that's literally what Labour did in 2015 and peter mandelson owes me a hat eating video a pipe smoking dog posted:Not surprising. finding it increasingly hard to defend labour when people say they've switched to the Lib dems, because the current policy on europe is so shite yeah I think it's fair to say his supporters gave him a shot at rallying the leave base and have gone "the gently caress are you doing" at the STRONK MESSAGE he's sending
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Mar 1, 2017 15:50
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I haven't heard them mention in pmqs the fact that the tories have created so much debt before today. This is what Corbyn needs to loving hammer every single chance be gets. loving shout it out all the time, make some graphs and get that out there.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:51
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Fingerless Gloves posted:I haven't heard them mention in pmqs the fact that the tories have created so much debt before today. This is what Corbyn needs to loving hammer every single chance be gets. loving shout it out all the time, make some graphs and get that out there. this is exactly why I'd now support Skinner e; content/chance to harass MPs My lovely Mind newsletter posted:For many of us, our illness can be so debilitating that we can’t leave the house. In December, the courts recognised this. They ruled that people who find it difficult to get out and about because of psychological distress should be able to receive the highest rate of PIP. Having this extra support to avoid isolation is not an optional extra, or a nice to have – it’s essential. But now the Government is trying to rush through legislation to stop the court’s judgement from coming into effect. For us, this move flies in the face of their commitment to tackle the ‘burning injustice’ of mental health. Mental health matters, says PM who hires people who thinks it's about feeling a bit nervous and taking pills and SCROUNGING Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 15:52
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Pissflaps posted:It'll take some time to recover from the damage he's done. I agree, Labour is still damaged by the actions of Blair and Brown.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:54
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Spangly A posted:Can you identify yourself ethno-nationally so I know who I want to genocide, thanks Ed milliband looked like a cartoon character though and the English were spooked by the Scots. If at first you don't succeed...
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Mar 1, 2017 15:56
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hakimashou posted:Ed milliband looked like a cartoon character though and the English were spooked by the Scots. Blair lost 3 million votes. Milliband lost an election. Owen Smith* ran a leadership campaign and isn't even recognised by 40% of voters. *I genuinely forgot who Owen Smith was and I actually pay attention Didn't answer my question either homeslice Pantsuit posted:I agree, Labour is still damaged by the actions of Blair and Brown. Don't you read hak's posts? the murder and rape of millions are totally fine Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 16:02
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Spangly A posted:Blair lost 3 million votes. Milliband lost an election. Owen Smith* Which was 5 million votes more than a decade earlier, leaving a net gain of 2 million. The Blair years were a high water mark in labour's history.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:10
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Spangly A posted:Blair lost 3 million votes. Milliband lost an election. Owen Smith* ran a leadership campaign and isn't even recognised by 40% of voters. Owen smith looked like a dipshit. The average British working man sees these tories and thinks "thems some nasty fuckers them" and believes when they say 'no more immigrants' that they mean it.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:16
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hakimashou posted:Maybe the lack of any far left wing governments in our lifetimes in Britain and the abysmal performance in polls of Corbynismo just go to prove it's unpopular and not what British people want. This is most likely true. But that just means these people should be reeducated. The German people were also wrong when they supported the Nazis. The majority can, and often is, wrong about things. I don't think it's arrogant to suggest an ideology that leads to war and environmental disaster should be prevented at all costs. Including force.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:20
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hakimashou posted:Owen smith looked like a dipshit. you are a dipshit. Answer please
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Mar 1, 2017 16:24
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Mar 1, 2017 16:31
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Fingerless Gloves posted:I haven't heard them mention in pmqs the fact that the tories have created so much debt before today. This is what Corbyn needs to loving hammer every single chance be gets. loving shout it out all the time, make some graphs and get that out there. This allows the front pages to put a picture of Corbyn next to a broken record with the headline SPOT THE DIFFERENCE.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:31
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hakimashou posted:All I know is that Britain sounds pretty bad. Like here in America we are a nation of immigrants, but you guys were colonial oppressors and you even say that your best prime minister in a generation was a war criminal. So were you? Like, ask the Philippines what went down about a century and change ago. I'm not sure what on earth that has to do with our Leader of the Opposition in 2017 and I'm not sure that an American is in the best place to tell us what we should be doing better given the results on the ground over there 
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Mar 1, 2017 16:35
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Will brexit affect the likelihood of another Lib Dem- Tory coalition? I can't see people who switched from Labour to Lib Dem over brexit being particularly happy about it.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:36
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HJB posted:This allows the front pages to put a picture of Corbyn next to a broken record with the headline SPOT THE DIFFERENCE. I'm not really sure they could play that card well, though. If Corbyn manages to hit a public sore spot, and begins hammering it, the openly tory papers would have to ignore the argument. The media control the narrative and influence what people think about it, especially if it's even slightly technical. But if he begin scoring points daily on the NHS, nobody reading the sun will go "haha what a wanker" when their nan/mum/da dies of MRSA in a waiting room. For anyone interested he's still talking about disability cuts using the BIG NUMBER tactic today, but that'll be over in two weeks. Trying to address everyone's concerns at once is a real problem given the traditional tory approach to loving everything they ever go near. spiderbot posted:Will brexit affect the likelihood of another Lib Dem- Tory coalition? I can't see people who switched from Labour to Lib Dem over brexit being particularly happy about it. Pushing Farron on this would be hilarious given he's totally open to the idea
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Mar 1, 2017 16:37
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spiderbot posted:Will brexit affect the likelihood of another Lib Dem- Tory coalition? I can't see people who switched from Labour to Lib Dem over brexit being particularly happy about it. The Lib Dems throwing away everything they stand for and alienating their voter base? No way would they do that.
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Mar 1, 2017 16:39
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Baron Corbyn posted:The Lib Dems throwing away everything they stand for and alienating their voter base? No way would they do that. This is bad, tho; if voters are transitioning from Labour to LD because they aren't being represented on Brexit, and then the Lib Dems do what they always do, are they going to transition back? or are they going to drop off the electoral register. I'd be really interested if anyone has any numbers on the transition from LD 2010 - DNV 2015
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Mar 1, 2017 16:41
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feedmegin posted:So were you? Like, ask the Philippines what went down about a century and change ago. I'm not sure what on earth that has to do with our Leader of the Opposition in 2017 and I'm not sure that an American is in the best place to tell us what we should be doing better given the results on the ground over there Here's how Bernie can still win
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Regarde Aduck posted:This is most likely true. But that just means these people should be reeducated. The German people were also wrong when they supported the Nazis. The majority can, and often is, wrong about things. How are you going to reeducate anyone? Reeducation isnt an ever-shrinking group of people outside in the cold agreeing with one another. I think the British left needs to choose its battles and take a hard look at what matters and what is possible. Brits were willing to leave the EU over the issue of immigration. The leave campaign talked a lot of poo poo, but Nigel Farage was not wrong when he said "you can't both limit immigration and remain in the EU." Look what people picked. You can work xenophobia to your advantage. Blame the tories' friends with their dirty Russian money for the price of housing. Remember, it's a privilege for a foreigner to own property in Great Britaine, make them pay some humongous tax for it.
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feedmegin posted:Would it have camps? Bring Back Butlins
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