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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Dead Goon posted:The vote breakdown is quite interesting: Why is it interesting? That's basically how they voted in the Commons, only the proportions of people is different.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:31
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I know the turnout was very high for the Lords, but who the gently caress are the 200 Lords who couldn't be arsed turning up for this vote?
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Mar 1, 2017 20:33
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Can't wait for tomorrow's Daily Mail headline over the Lords vote. I wonder what depth they will manage to plumb this time
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Mar 1, 2017 20:33
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namesake posted:Why is it interesting? That's basically how they voted in the Commons, only the proportions of people is different. Labour voted with the Government in the Commons. People got quite mad about it, three line whip & all that. Remember?
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Mar 1, 2017 20:34
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forkboy84 posted:Labour voted with the Government in the Commons. People got quite mad about it, three line whip & all that. Remember? And they voted for amendments about ensuring the rights of EU citizens to stay as well, which failed because of a Tory majority in the Commons.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:35
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namesake posted:Why is it interesting? That's basically how they voted in the Commons, only the proportions of people is different. Dunno, I suppose I just found it interesting that all the Labour peers voted for the amendments and wanted something to say in the body of the post. I apologise for posting something that actually turned out to be something very uninteresting.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:35
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forkboy84 posted:Labour voted with the Government in the Commons. People got quite mad about it, three line whip & all that. Remember? Not on their own amendment, which was functionally identical to this one. Paxman posted:Everyone should read this because it shows why it's important to elect a Labour leader who has the confidence of their MPs. Not really, it shows the problems caused by selecting MPs that don't actually believe in socialism. The fact that they refuse to campaign on or even discuss Corbyn's policies has a lot more to do with their fundamental disagreement with them than his personal competence. jabby fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 20:39
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Dead Goon posted:Dunno, I suppose I just found it interesting that all the Labour peers voted for the amendments and wanted something to say in the body of the post. I apologise for posting something that actually turned out to be something very uninteresting. Fair enough (no need to apologise). I'd say it was more good than interesting though.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:41
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Lady Wheatcroft was the only Tory peer to vote for the Single Market amendment. Earl Selborne appears likely to vote for the Euratom amendment.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:43
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forkboy84 posted:I know the turnout was very high for the Lords, but who the gently caress are the 200 Lords who couldn't be arsed turning up for this vote? Good chance there's quite a few life lords that aren't in the country, or are too old/ill to be in Parliament. And then we need to ask if the clergy turned up in force.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:46
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I wonder if Baron Lloyd-Webber managed to turn up?
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Mar 1, 2017 20:51
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Dead Goon posted:I wonder if Baron Lloyd-Webber managed to turn up? He was mentioned in passing tweets as being there. Incidentally, for all your House of Lords needs, can I recommend following Esther Webber @estwebber who covers the place for the BBC, and who is much more amusing than strictly necessary for the role.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:59
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mehall posted:Good chance there's quite a few life lords that aren't in the country, or are too old/ill to be in Parliament. It's so loving weird that the Church of England gets representation in the British parliament in this day & age. I always forget the Lords Spiritual are a thing. And not just from a "government not being secular is dumb" angle, but also from a "there's sure a lot of religious people in this country who aren't Anglicans" angle. I suppose a mix of old-fashioned Catholic fear & the fact there's no other established church. And of the 26 Bishops, 3 voted against the amendment, 2 for it. Which is pretty poor for a supposedly compassionate clergy.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:00
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Dead Goon posted:I wonder if Baron Lloyd-Webber managed to turn up? He did. He also released a statement parroting the government line about the Will of the People, which is a bit rich because literally nobody likes Love Never Dies but it's still playing in the West End.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:01
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Jose posted:lol i'm sure getting the only MP of the party expelled is a great idea Nah see carswell was a Tory plant and it is only once he leaves that skip will become a true party for socialism on a national scale (seriously, I saw a dm commentator stating that ukips policies were a socialists wet dream (funding for the nhs, nationalisation of public services etc) for for the uk only (no international health service, Labour)) Nationalist socialism, hmmm...
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Mar 1, 2017 21:21
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Namtab posted:Nah see carswell was a Tory plant and it is only once he leaves that skip will become a true party for socialism on a national scale (seriously, I saw a dm commentator stating that ukips policies were a socialists wet dream (funding for the nhs, nationalisation of public services etc) for for the uk only (no international health service, Labour)) aren't ukip actually pretty far to the right economically? they describe themselves as libertarian, iirc
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Mar 1, 2017 21:24
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doesn't their leader want to privatise the NHS as well..?
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Mar 1, 2017 21:28
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and i must meme posted:aren't ukip actually pretty far to the right economically? they describe themselves as libertarian, iirc There's a huge split between libertarian types like Carswell and the Little Englanders who want to see a more interventionist State and more public spending (but only on the right sort of people). They don't really have a coherent economic strategy, as far as I know.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:28
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So what are the chances that the government actually accepts this amendment? I think May will still find a way to screw EU citizens over.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:32
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Much like all nationalists there is a working class side of the party and a nostalgic ~classic liberal~ side. It's the case for FN, Ukip, the PVV, to some extent AfD, all those guys.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:34
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awesome-express posted:So what are the chances that the government actually accepts this amendment?
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Mar 1, 2017 21:34
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Aren't the amendments just "government must try real hard to secure x/y/z" which means the government can just say they couldn't manage it?
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Mar 1, 2017 21:34
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awesome-express posted:So what are the chances that the government actually accepts this amendment? Doesn't look good. Then it comes down to whether or not the Lords have the balls to play ping-pong and gently caress up her March deadline. Which is probably self-defeating since the amendment would be denied anyway and the press would jump all over the Lords delaying Brexit.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:35
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"Unelected peers" is a bit hypocritical when the PM was not, uh, actually elected, and neither were Farage and Johnson and pretty much all the ministers. Also lol because if the Queen agreed with Brexit you bet your rear end they wouldn't call her "unelected queen".
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Mar 1, 2017 21:44
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The lords backstabbed brexit!
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Mar 1, 2017 21:45
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and i must meme posted:aren't ukip actually pretty far to the right economically? they describe themselves as libertarian, iirc This was a northern guy who was convinced that ukip were the new left but only for the English. I didn't have the heart to correct him even if I hadn't run out of comments by reminding people of how many times far age had failed to be elected.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:49
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OwlFancier posted:Aren't the amendments just "government must try real hard to secure x/y/z" which means the government can just say they couldn't manage it? The amendment backed by the Lords requires the government to introduce proposals within three months of Article 50 to ensure EU citizens in the UK have the same residence rights after Brexit. So not really, although I guess as parliament is sovereign they can probably just ignore it if they want to. Pochoclo posted:"Unelected peers" is a bit hypocritical when the PM was not, uh, actually elected, and neither were Farage and Johnson and pretty much all the ministers. Also lol because if the Queen agreed with Brexit you bet your rear end they wouldn't call her "unelected queen". I'm pretty sure all the leaked stuff about the Queen says she wanted to leave.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:50
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namesake posted:
was there ever anything more substantial than known bullshit artist Kuessenberg saying she definitely knew a guy who knew a guy? The fact she qualified it so hard on threat of legal action smelt like crap.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:05
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Friend of mine lives on Cock alley....
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Mar 1, 2017 22:09
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Looke posted:doesn't their leader want to privatise the NHS as well..? Yeah UKIP used to be openly pro-privatisation. When they realised that they really had a chance at power they buried some of their less popular policies and this was one of them. If they ever get into power expect them to revert and immediately dismantle the NHS. It's an obvious trojan horse for them. UKIP was born as the party for well off Tories who wanted to shift even further right. It's rebirth as party of the working class is recent and essentially a facade. They are far right libertarians and as far away from worker friendly as you can get.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:15
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learnincurve posted:Friend of mine lives on Cock alley.... That's no way to talk about your unborn brother.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:16
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's rebirth as party of the working class is recent and essentially a facade. It also doesn't seem to be working. Most indications show Labour mainly losing votes to the Lib Dems while the collapse of UKIP has sent all their votes to the Tories As depressing as it is, Farage is right when he says UKIP has no future as a mainstream party. It can either be rabidly anti-immigrant and nothing else, or it can try and take votes from Labour and end up giving tons of votes to the Tories.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:19
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Owen Jones makes a lot of decent points in this video about how Corbyn needs to basically either go hard or go home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGhOTihjHlk
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Mar 1, 2017 22:57
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Coohoolin posted:What about the Swiss and Norwegians though. blame your government for never properly joining the EU
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Mar 1, 2017 23:00
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A lot of people here and elsewhere suggest Corbyn needs to do things which involve him being somehow more aggressive or to-the-point. The guy simply doesn't have it in him.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:01
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forkboy84 posted:I know the turnout was very high for the Lords, but who the gently caress are the 200 Lords who couldn't be arsed turning up for this vote? about a quarter of those are on long term leave of absence
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Mar 1, 2017 23:03
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TinTower posted:Owen Jones makes a lot of decent points in this video about how Corbyn needs to basically either go hard or go home. Most people here also wish Corbyn would 'go hard' in a John McDonnell mace-swinging fashion. The trouble is that if you want a left-wing Labour party he can't actually go home, not unless there's a rule change allowing a successor.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:04
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jabby posted:The trouble is that if you want a left-wing Labour party he can't actually go home, not unless there's a rule change allowing a successor. Are you suggesting an appointed successor rather than one that is voted for by the labour membership?
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Mar 1, 2017 23:06
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Spangly A posted:was there ever anything more substantial than known bullshit artist Kuessenberg saying she definitely knew a guy who knew a guy? Palace sources~
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Mar 1, 2017 23:07
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jabby posted:Most people here also wish Corbyn would 'go hard' in a John McDonnell mace-swinging fashion. The trouble is that if you want a left-wing Labour party he can't actually go home, not unless there's a rule change allowing a successor. The point that Jones makes is that Corbyn has a lot less time than most of his supporters thinks to actually be able to get a Left candidate onto the next leadership ballot. Clive Lewis is possibly the only candidate that I can see getting the nominations without a backroom deal between Corbyn and the PLP. But even then there's a shelf life on that option.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:08
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