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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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jabby posted:Individually? Nothing. There's an official Labour website where they publish statements they have sent to the press, here: http://press.labour.org.uk/ This announcement isn't on it. McDonnell announced the policy in an interview with the Guardian in which he said "one way of re-establishing some element of openness and transparency would be, why not – over a million, you publish your tax return. Why not?”. And then that was it - no follow up by Labour, nothing to publicise what he's said, just one interview in one newspaper which there's no guarantee the rest of the media will even read. In a perfect world perhaps every political journalist would pick up on it but in practice that's not going to happen, regardless of whether Mr McDonnell is a Tory or Labour politician or on the left or right of the Labour Party. Here's what I think Labour could do: Decide what the message is. Eg the rich are not paying their fair share of taxes and the Tories are never going to do anything about it - because they're just in politics to represent the rich - but Labour will. Decide three key policies for achieving this, such as making people on very high incomes publish tax returns. Tell the Guardian the Shadow Chancellor is making a major speech but he'll give them a sneak preview in an exclusive interview. Do the interview. Press release the interview Do the speech Press release the speech Raise it an PMQs Press release what Corbyn said at PMQs Contact the broadcasters and say you want Labour's Shadow Cabinet members to go on their show and talk about this important policy announcement. Thornberry for Marr, Abbott for Newsnight, Cat Smith for Peston. McDonnell for Good Morning Britain (I think he could come across as fairly likeable to a general audience?) In future, make sure you include the message in other campaigns. Eg, on the NHS crisis, point out that the NHS needs funding but that means everyone paying their fair share of taxes, low paid and high paid, but only Labour has a plan to make sure the high paid do their fair share. Say it again and again and again. Now it's possible this would fail because the right wing media hate socialism, but Labour should at least try. E: Mirror have done it too - maybe it is getting some coverage http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-reveals-radical-plan-force-9946856
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jabby posted:It's an easy figure to understand, and McDonnell does an awesome Dr Evil impression he's been dying to bust out. That'd be a simpler policy to inplementt
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Mar 2, 2017 11:16
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northern ireland is having an actual election today and the thread poll is about who should be labour leader! cmon, no need to be so anglo centric Which way would you all vote today if in northern ireland? The big players are
Sinn Féin - republicans, said coalition partners who have a fresh new leader for new elections, historical association with paramilitaries (and apparently friends of corbyn) . anti brexit UUP - unionists, basically tories but more willing to work with others than the DUP, used to be in government until going into opposition last year, no party position on brexit but a lot of their candidates seem to be pro SDLP - nationalists, socially conservative but take the labour whip in westminster so infer from that what you will, anti brexit Alliance - undeclared, third way (in the northern irish sense) liberals, not as bad as the other main parties but a bit underwhelming, anti brexit the lesser players
PBP - republicans? anti austerity, pro brexit party, they currently have 2 seats Greens - undeclared, got their second mla last year, popular with young people the outsiders
Cannabis is safer than alcohol party - undeclared, no idea what their stance is on anything except weed Conservatives - unionists, always do terrible (they tend to get less votes than the various communist parties), pro brexit cross community labour alternative - undeclared, left wing anti brexit party, cant dress themselves pup - unionist, left wing, historical association with paramilitaries ukip - unionist (but not if its european!), pro brexit of course independents - lots of these so a great many to choose from but its STV so people may go hog wild voting down the list personally i intend to vote in this order: greens, cross community labour alternative, alliance, sdlp and then just wing it from there voting for everyone except the dup, conservatives, tuv
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Mar 2, 2017 11:32
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I hope the Cannabis is Safer than Alcohol party wins
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Mar 2, 2017 11:35
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why are all the major NI parties insane?
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Mar 2, 2017 11:36
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Probably SDLP with PBPA in my heart.
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Mar 2, 2017 11:37
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Jose posted:why are all the major NI parties insane? excuse me but I think you'll find that the Cannabis is Safer than Alcohol party have a perfectly sane platform: Our Manifesto Pledges Royal Commission We will campaign to convene a Royal Commission to undertake a fundamental review of all UK drugs policy to establish a suite of recommendations that can be effective in combatting the harm caused by drugs in an increasingly globalised world. The Royal Commission can be established in the first year of the new Parliament report in 2017 and its findings legislated on within the term of the next Parliament. Global Medicinal Cannabis Summit We will convene a Global Medicinal Cannabis Summit in London in 2015. This Summit will welcome over 50 countries and over 500 politicians, scientists, physicians, NGOs and civil society representatives from across the world to share latest research and public policy developments relating to medical consensus that patients with AIDS, cancer, epilepsy and serious access to cannabis. It will be the biggest global meeting on the subject ever convened. Formal Government Review of Global Drug Reform Policy Innovations We will initiate an immediate review to report on the effectiveness of the cannabis legalisation policy innovation in Spain, Portugal, United States, Uruguay and their impact on consumption, addiction and treatment and criminal activity. Cost-benefit economic evaluation of potential legally regulated UK cannabis market We will campaign to conduct an updated review of the cost-benefits of introducing a legally regulated cannabis market. There is a clear need for a better understanding of the demand for cannabis, which will only be achievable with better data on consumption, price and potency
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Mar 2, 2017 11:38
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Jose posted:why are all the major NI parties insane?
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Mar 2, 2017 11:38
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We need PR now so we can get more great parties like this Although it means that Ukip would get like 50 seats or something which isn't ideal
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Mar 2, 2017 11:42
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if I ever live in the UK again I might start a 'Mandatory MDMA' party
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Mar 2, 2017 11:43
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Jose posted:why are all the major NI parties insane? you have to declare if you're nationalist/unionist/indepedent and that matters waaaaay more than it should. So you've got the IRA party, the two/three/four UVF parties at any given moment, and the lib dems. JFairfax posted:excuse me but I think you'll find that the Cannabis is Safer than Alcohol party have a perfectly sane platform: Cannabis is Safer than Alcohol don't exist anymore. It's a totally seperate party, called Citizens Independent Social Thought Alliance, and definitely not a rebrand honest
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Mar 2, 2017 11:44
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clear eyes full farts posted:SDLP - nationalists, socially conservative but take the labour whip in westminster so infer from that what you will, anti brexit To be fair, Labour and Catholicism go way back, mostly because the Catholic Church has always been one of the strongholds of Christian socialism. Likewise, the Tories and the CoE go even further back because, basically, establishment politics, and the Liberals and Non-conformists had similar relations; indeed, the Lib Dem constitution is still, in TYOOL 2017, very pro-nonconformist.
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Mar 2, 2017 11:47
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Spangly A posted:Cannabis is Safer than Alcohol don't exist anymore. It's a totally seperate party, called Citizens Independent Social Thought Alliance, and definitely not a rebrand honest whoops i didnt even know thanks! its led me to this amazing blog entry https://northernsocial.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/tony-blair-stole-my-posters/
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Mar 2, 2017 11:48
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To be fair in NORN Cannabis is probably all solids that are 50% diesel and 50% plastic so maybe not safer than alcohol
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Mar 2, 2017 11:48
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Most cannabis in NI has been burned by the dealers so they can get a subsidy from the Government.
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Mar 2, 2017 11:49
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Today on the BBC and the Spectator: should disabled people be 'allowed' to be paid less than minimum wage? This woman in Brighton thinks so, because her daughter doesn't understand the concept of money anyway: https://twitter.com/Emmabarnett/status/837234398374346752 (That 'Improving Lives' government paper that wilfully misinterprets research to conclude that being unemployed is bad for your health because work literally just makes you healthy makes me really, really angry)
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Mar 2, 2017 11:56
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loving hell, that's just... horrific
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Mar 2, 2017 11:57
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floofyscorp posted:Today on the BBC and the Spectator: should disabled people be 'allowed' to be paid less than minimum wage? This woman in Brighton thinks so, because her daughter doesn't understand the concept of money anyway: Isn't this something that Philip Davies said about five years ago? Can't wait for the Tories of 2021 to make misandry illegal.
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Mar 2, 2017 11:58
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TinTower posted:Isn't this something that Philip Davies said about five years ago? his reasoning was more along the lines of disabled being worth less rather than too stupid to understand the concept of money. I honestly don't know which is worse.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:02
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TinTower posted:Isn't this something that Philip Davies said about five years ago? Good memory, I'd have not found the quote otherwise. Seriously how has nobody shot this guy yet, and why is he an MP posted:Philip Davies told the Commons: "If an employer is looking at two candidates, one who has got disabilities and one who hasn't, and they have got to pay them both the same rate, I invite you to guess which one the employer is more likely to take on.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:03
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You know, that's exactly the same line of reasoning that some employers use to justify not hiring women too - we're a liability, because 'as soon as you hire one she'll only go and get pregnant and then you have to find maternity cover and when she comes back she'll be distracted thinking about her child all the time and she won't work as hard and that's why we don't hire women, it's not sexist really it's just the way of the world'.
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floofyscorp posted:You know, that's exactly the same line of reasoning that some employers use to justify not hiring women too - we're a liability, because 'as soon as you hire one she'll only go and get pregnant and then you have to find maternity cover and when she comes back she'll be distracted thinking about her child all the time and she won't work as hard and that's why we don't hire women, it's not sexist really it's just the way of the world'. You're implying that Philip Davies would see a problem with this comparison. He's a literal MRA.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:08
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"When discrimination exists we should do everything we can to enforce and normalise it, rather than ever challenge it" If learning disabilities make you worth less to society then how on earth can philip davies justify getting paid for anything, ever?
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Mar 2, 2017 12:09
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greens 1, pbp 2 (McCann) and then Eastwood 3 I guess if he needs it
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Mar 2, 2017 12:09
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In a way NI politics is prescient of our own problems. I'm sure both the papers and public would love to see politicians list themselves as Brexit, Traitor, Other
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Mar 2, 2017 12:13
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kustomkarkommando posted:greens 1, pbp 2 (McCann) and then Eastwood 3 I guess if he needs it Don't do exactly this, as you run the risk of exhausting your ballot. Keep preferencing as far down as you can stomach – even to the UUP if needs be – to ensure the DUP have a hard time reaching the quota.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:14
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KKK is there even a slight chance we're not going to see DUP/SF as the big two? I saw the vote pref polls and they aren't comforting
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Mar 2, 2017 12:15
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TinTower posted:Don't do exactly this, as you run the risk of exhausting your ballot. Nah I know the mechanics of how the counting will play pretty well. Greens 1 is try to tip them over 1%, which probably won't happen, so when they got knocked out it will transfer to McCann who is in the running for the 5th seat against SF, Eastwood three is in case McCann gets knocked out to boost his numbers - in that case it will split 2 SF, 1 DUP, 2 SDLP DUP are a lock and the unionist vote is small here so they can only carry one seat even with transfers and frankly returning McCann is a more important battle imo
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Spangly A posted:KKK is there even a slight chance we're not going to see DUP/SF as the big two? I saw the vote pref polls and they aren't comforting Nah they will be biggest parties barring a huge shift which is why well probably get direct rule in a month
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Mar 2, 2017 12:22
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It's alright lads we'll make a new and better GFA.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:24
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floofyscorp posted:Today on the BBC and the Spectator: should disabled people be 'allowed' to be paid less than minimum wage? This woman in Brighton thinks so, because her daughter doesn't understand the concept of money anyway: quote:Unless the law changes, they can expect a life spent in the shadows, slumped on a sofa, eating the wrong sort of food, watching daytime television. I'm not sure what's more insulting, that somehow the natural state of people with disabilities is slumped on a sofa, eating the wrong sort of food, watching daytime television, or that any route out of that has to involve financial incentive (presumably negative instead of positive).
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Mar 2, 2017 12:26
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JFairfax posted:To be fair in NORN Cannabis is probably all solids that are 50% diesel and 50% plastic so maybe not safer than alcohol Does good old-fashioned cannabis resin exist any more? I thought it was something from my youth long since vanished, like decent new Stone Roses music
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Mar 2, 2017 12:26
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kustomkarkommando posted:Nah they will be biggest parties barring a huge shift which is why well probably get direct rule in a month great, looking forward to loads of sabre rattling, just fantastic jBrereton posted:It's alright lads we'll make a new and better GFA. SF want a new agreement and home rule means they can rally the base. If they weren't also dirty af they'd probably just push for a proper enquiry and have half the DUP on embezzlement charges but hey ho.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:28
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Spangly A posted:SF want a new agreement and home rule means they can rally the base. If they weren't also dirty af they'd probably just push for a proper enquiry and have half the DUP on embezzlement charges but hey ho.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:30
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clear eyes full farts posted:Cannabis is safer than alcohol party - undeclared, no idea what their stance is on anything except weed CISTA are doing it for themselves.
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Mar 2, 2017 12:30
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SF have said they don't want a new agreement, just an implementation of outstanding terms from the last agreements and have made a lot of noises to indicate this will be done by direct negotiation with the Tories - one of the big outstanding issues is legacy investigations which has become snarled up in a roadblock over disagreements with the government over evidence considered security sensitive the government does not want to hand over. Of course putting James "I wrote a column complaining about the witchunt of our brave troops on the anniversary of bloody Sunday" Brokenshire in charge at a time of increasing Tory backbench pressure for a statute of limitations to protect ARE BOYS means its doubtful that's going to get agreed in two weeks
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Mar 2, 2017 12:32
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Paxman posted:Does good old-fashioned cannabis resin exist any more? I thought it was something from my youth long since vanished, like decent new Stone Roses music Do you remember "black squidgy" and "red seal" (which had that pakistani logo thing on it).
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Mar 2, 2017 12:34
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Jippa posted:Do you remember "black squidgy" and "red seal" (which had that pakistani logo thing on it). I never saw the logo, but yes. And "Lebanese black"
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Mar 2, 2017 12:36
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Paxman posted:Does good old-fashioned cannabis resin exist any more? I thought it was something from my youth long since vanished, like decent new Stone Roses music yeah, but it doesn't travel to England much. Big old stinky plants are preferred over here. This is totally circumventable with the dark net, it's still the big thing in coastal spain.
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John McDonnell was asked about the "deal" touted by Owen Jones where Corbyn would step down in favour of a younger left-wing candidate, as a few in this thread have considered. This was his response: https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/837263821723009024
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