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Zeris posted:Russia undermining Clinton and Russia colluding with Trump staff are not the same thing. I'm not talking about objective reality, I'm talking about what's provable. They could have done everything in that IC report and not said a word to Trump or his cronies. Unless they were spelling it out to the GOP campaign and demanding favors in return -- unless that's what was in those conversations -- or whatever, then I don't get it. What is it you don't get? Obviously if there is not a smoking gun then the accusation will just be another in a seemingly endless parade of dire blemishes on the trump presidency. Another reason that suggests under no circumstances should the Don be given the benefit of the doubt because so much indicates that his character and loyalties are suspect, at the very least. Sorry your use of - makes it hard to understand exactly how to parse your sentences.
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/837137235908657154 https://twitter.com/whignewtons/status/837159285792600066 quote:At his Jan. 10 Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing, Sessions was asked by Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) what he would do if he learned of any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of the 2016 campaign. I suppose it depends what your definition of "Russian" is.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:What is it you don't get? Obviously if there is not a smoking gun then the accusation will just be another in a seemingly endless parade of dire blemishes on the trump presidency. Another reason that suggests under no circumstances should the Don be given the benefit of the doubt because so much indicates that his character and loyalties are suspect, at the very least. No, that's exactly it. It's not a smoking gun (yet) but people, I guess in a few posts here and in implications from left-leaning media outlets, seem to assume it's a smoking gun. Maybe I'm reading too far into things. I already have outrage fatigue and I no longer understand the point of getting riled up over stupid poo poo until it's clearly smoking-gun-level stupid poo poo.
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Here's some different Trump news. Not related to treason, just extreme stupidity.
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I think it's smoking enough that it needs to be investigated by someone who doesn't work for Sessions.
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Zeris posted:Russia undermining Clinton and Russia colluding with Trump staff are not the same thing. I'm not talking about objective reality, I'm talking about what's provable. They could have done everything in that IC report and not said a word to Trump or his cronies. Unless they were spelling it out to the GOP campaign and demanding favors in return -- unless that's what was in those conversations -- or whatever, then I don't get it. I think it comes back to what they knew and when. Roger Stone was all over Twitter bragging about impending leaks. Manafort and Page had the wherewithal to keep quiet, but were still ultimately outed. It really depends on two things: 1) Did Trump's campaign know what information was going to be leaked by the Russians in advance 2) If they did, was Trump aware? Remember, Trump knew for weeks that Flynn had discussed sanctions with the Russians before the Post article was published. And he only asked for Flynn to resign because he had lied to Pence. Trump is a micromanaging executive, and it's within his style to know what his subordinates are doing while giving his consent by omission.
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Casimir Radon posted:Here's some different Trump news. Not related to treason, just extreme stupidity. Hey at least it's a solid blow against the undermining efforts of the Chinese
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Casimir Radon posted:Here's some different Trump news. Not related to treason, just extreme stupidity. Not really surprised. I'd assume he has an affinity to bottom sucking trash that very few people want around. His totem animal for sure.
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Zeris posted:No, that's exactly it. It's not a smoking gun (yet) but people, I guess in a few posts here and in implications from left-leaning media outlets, seem to assume it's a smoking gun. Maybe I'm reading too far into things. I already have outrage fatigue and I no longer understand the point of getting riled up over stupid poo poo until it's clearly smoking-gun-level stupid poo poo. Not to nitpick, but I really wouldn't consider the WSJ left-leaning. In fact their editorial editor resigned because they kept pushing him to publish Trump-friendly poo poo.
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Zeris posted:Russia undermining Clinton and Russia colluding with Trump staff are not the same thing. I'm not talking about objective reality, I'm talking about what's provable. They could have done everything in that IC report and not said a word to Trump or his cronies. Unless they were spelling it out to the GOP campaign and demanding favors in return -- unless that's what was in those conversations -- or whatever, then I don't get it. The problem is you have the AG lying under oath. It doesn't matter what he lied about. Its still perjury. And then it delves back into the issue of collusion with a foreign government to undermine the government of the US. If at any point the Russians worked with the Trump campaign its sedition. And anyone who was part of the contacts has committed sedition. So now you have perjury and sedition being committed by the Attorney General. Plus all the other tack on poo poo like obstruction. Its not going to snow ball unless the press keeps stories about it rolling out through 2018 and the Dems take control of both branches of Congress. Then they can clean house of republican committee leads, launch congressional investigations and then impeach Trump and everyone associated with the campaign. Or something happens that flips a large portion of reds against Trump and they dial up the pressure on congress to a point they can't not go after him. Which may actually happen when he signs off on Congress gutting SS/Medicare and then lets them cut infrastructure. Basically August may turn into a blood bath/French revolution. Because thats when the tax reform drops and people find out they lost ACA, infrastructure, SS/Medicare just to make it so the new tax reform can use the poor and middle class bankroll the wealthy and corporations.
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I'm probably in an outrage-fueled fever dream, but I would love to see a RICO suit thrown at the Trump campaign/administration over this poo poo.
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Zeris posted:Russia undermining Clinton and Russia colluding with Trump staff are not the same thing. I'm not talking about objective reality, I'm talking about what's provable. They could have done everything in that IC report and not said a word to Trump or his cronies. Unless they were spelling it out to the GOP campaign and demanding favors in return -- unless that's what was in those conversations -- or whatever, then I don't get it. Sorry you're bored or whatever but media reporting this poo poo and people treating it like the Big Deal it is is how you build momentum to do something about it. Your "le yawn" attitude is how this poo poo gets normalized.
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redneck nazgul posted:I'm probably in an outrage-fueled fever dream, but I would love to see a RICO suit thrown at the Trump campaign/administration over this poo poo. I want any and everybody at any point willingly involved in the campaign and administration to face sedition charges. But Sessions will just say no one will be charged regardless of the evidence at hand because he is a corrupt gently caress that cares about punishing people for being poor or not white enough.
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Zeris posted:No, that's exactly it. It's not a smoking gun (yet) but people, I guess in a few posts here and in implications from left-leaning media outlets, seem to assume it's a smoking gun. Maybe I'm reading too far into things. I already have outrage fatigue and I no longer understand the point of getting riled up over stupid poo poo until it's clearly smoking-gun-level stupid poo poo. It directly calls into question the capacity of the AG to oversee any investigation into the Russian hacking attempts, their impact, and the extent to which the current President was aware of their activities. It's a pretty big step towards enabling an investigation that seemingly has the potential to undermine the Presidency. The implications are pretty massive, particularly if the gravity of the accusation is made comprehensible to Joe Blow (through the media)
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Zeris posted:No, that's exactly it. It's not a smoking gun (yet) but people, I guess in a few posts here and in implications from left-leaning media outlets, seem to assume it's a smoking gun. Maybe I'm reading too far into things. I already have outrage fatigue and I no longer understand the point of getting riled up over stupid poo poo until it's clearly smoking-gun-level stupid poo poo. psydude posted:Not to nitpick, but I really wouldn't consider the WSJ left-leaning. In fact their editorial editor resigned because they kept pushing him to publish Trump-friendly poo poo. During the campaign the WSJ's editorial page was insanely pro-Trump. I don't remember reading a single pro-Clinton or even anything remotely neutral editorial that was written by the WSJ.
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Zeris posted:No, that's exactly it. It's not a smoking gun (yet) but people, I guess in a few posts here and in implications from left-leaning media outlets, seem to assume it's a smoking gun. Maybe I'm reading too far into things. I already have outrage fatigue and I no longer understand the point of getting riled up over stupid poo poo until it's clearly smoking-gun-level stupid poo poo. I'd say it's a smoking gun because I can't remember if anyone who's been revealed to have contact with Russia has tried to offer even the tiniest explanation of their actions. Everyone accused has claimed that the allegations are fake, and try to get it swept under the rug, which plays into people's "if they don't have something to hide, why won't they tell the truth" beliefs.
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I'm fairly certain at this point that Mike Pence is going to turn out to be the only person in Trump's campaign that wasn't collaborating with the Russians.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm fairly certain at this point that Mike Pence is going to turn out to be the only person in Trump's campaign that wasn't collaborating with the Russians. I'm fairly certain that Pence was beaten into working with the Russians. Look at him. He might as well change his name to Stockholm Syndrome. Plus I already hated Pence, since he is Ted Cruz
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I think there is a small chance that it is all a Russian intelligence op to destabilize us. Both the hacking and the oh so easy to find intelligence / campaign connections. Putin has no love for Trump, he wants to watch this place burn. And to exert control over us. Just a crazy idea. A distant possibility. It's that or Trump was bought and paid for by Putin. And goddamn what a worse situation that'd be.
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Putin wanted someone he could control running the US, and if he couldn't get that, he at least wanted Clinton out. Trump and Putin were already buddies, so he made the most viable option. So use the state to sabotage Clinton, he and his buddies also dump money into Trump businesses and campaign... Its easy to find the trail because they were so blatant about it.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I don't see it, what am I missing? Smooth, creamy butter. You are going to die, so why not spend the rest of your life over a fresh batch of Denny's pancakes?
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The WSJ editorial page is and has been talk radio for guys who think they're too smart to listen to talk radio. WSJ has maybe the greatest A section in news, then you turn the page one too many times and it's "Supply Side Economics: Still Good" and "Obama: Why Does He Hate America So Much" in your face.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Now I want pancakes. God drat it.  Current Events March 2017 - Time to make pancakes
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Best Friends posted:The WSJ editorial page is and has been talk radio for guys who think they're too smart to listen to talk radio. WSJ has maybe the greatest A section in news, then you turn the page one too many times and it's "Supply Side Economics: Still Good" and "Obama: Why Does He Hate America So Much" in your face. The editorial page wasn't nearly the print version of a slightly less insane Infowars until about mid-2016. There would be one fairly moderate editorial a week maybe 2, but then it went full bore Trump testicle gargling session. And yeah, easily the worst part of WSJ is the jarring difference between the editorial page(s) and the rest of the paper.
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Genocide Tendency posted:I want any and everybody at any point willingly involved in the campaign and administration to face sedition charges. im not some kind of book learnin law expert, but i dunno if sedition fits [quote=18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy ]If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)[/quote] also treason seems like it would be hard to make a case for. we arent buds with russia, but we also arent at war with them. sure, if trump and co have been making deals with those potato loving fucks, they should have their asses nailed to the wall, but under the right charges, whatever those may be
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bulletsponge13 posted:While I hope all that is true, and more importantly, it leads to the removal of the Trump adminstration, I'm not getting my hopes up. So far, Trump and Co are Teflon. Yep. As of right now, the whole thing is just a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory that's being aggressively pursued by a lot of people, but a conspiracy nontheless.
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