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TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

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TBeats posted:

Lmfao what the gently caress is this

What I'd bet is that the Texans are about to trade for Romo

but yeah, lol at trading a pick to get rid of a player

TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 9, 2017

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Also part of the Osweiler trade: Houston gets Cleveland's 4th round pick, also gives up a 6th rounder this year

e: BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/839943252212056065

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TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

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Volkerball posted:

well compete for a super bowl for 3 weeks until romo goes on ir

McClain is saying that the Texans aren't interested in trading for Romo, only going after him in FA. It's entirely possible Denver could get Romo and Houston would have been more than willing to trade away Osweiler just so he's off the team.

Or maybe Jay Cutler

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Volkerball posted:

They could go Cutler and a 1st or 2nd on a QB in the draft if they didn't want to trade for Romo. Romo would probably give them the best chance in the short term though.

not arguing that; just funny that if McClain is right then the Texans just wanted Osweiler gone and it may not have even been due to Romo

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Aug 7, 2002

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Shinjobi posted:

Good, Redskins. Very good.

Jerry Jones is just an old dick, but the true Sith overlord has to be Dan Snyder at this point, right?

Honorable mention for the Krafts, but...eh.

Jones is an evil old shithead, but he's light years ahead of Snyder from a competence standpoint

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Aug 7, 2002

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evilweasel posted:

Yeah, Jones waited until his guy won Jones a super bowl before getting jealous and firing him.

To his credit, they were still able to win a Super Bowl after that without a coach

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

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Chris James 2 posted:

I think if Washington was desperate enough to sign free agents they were willing to try us out, we'd say no at this point

gently caress yeah I'd take that gig. I'd sabotage the poo poo out of it and make them Zorn the gently caress out of me

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Aug 7, 2002

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Intruder posted:

It's bullshit in general because almost every player is going to go for the maximum earnings, Tom Brady's situation shouldn't be held up as the norm

Even if it weren't, Romo's contract has always been structured in ways that were friendly to (and determined by) the team. He's restructured every time they've asked to help make room for other players. Anyone making GBS threads on Romo about his contract is a loving idiot. But you knew that.

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Aug 7, 2002

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Elephanthead posted:

Trump is going to campaign on finding Brady's jersey for sure. Obama got Bin Laden, I got Brady's jersey.

gently caress we're going to be stuck with him until 2024

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Aug 7, 2002

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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Nice gig if you can get it.

is it? I wasn't under the impression that minor league baseball players had a good thing going

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Spring Break My Heart posted:

I think he meant "being Tim Tebow".

pffft whatever, who here isn't still coasting on the poo poo they accomplished in college

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Intruder posted:

Because they're trying to make the games shorter

but most OT games I'm ok with going longer

It's the lovely blowout games that are problematic, like every Thursday game except for the season opener or Thanksgiving

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e: Agreed ^^^^

warcrimes posted:

That plus he supposedly wants double digit millions. EJ Manual is getting $800k, non-guaranteed. Kaep will get signed when he eventually comes down on his asking price and be a back up somewhere.

double-digit millions is fair for Kaep. He may not deserve Glennon money, but neither did Glennon

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Ches Neckbeard posted:

Browns made a play for him to. Kaep was just to stubborn to renegotiate his contract which kept him in SF.

He was right, though

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

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a neat cape posted:

The 2004 QB draft was 13 years ago. When do we get another one of those?

2012

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a neat cape posted:

I was about to disagree, then I remembered Wilson and Cousins.

Has the shine worn off of Andrew Luck yet?

I can't overstate how bad the Colts are, and how bad their personnel decisions have been. They're less talented than Jacksonville, pound for pound. Luck might make some questionable plays and he's not as good as he looked initially, but he's easily an above-average QB. So is Tannehill. I'll grant that Cam is better than Luck, but until we see a another good season out of Winston or Mariota, I think you can dial back the talk of them being better than Luck.

I don't see how you can seriously make the Raiders <-> Colts comparison--the Raiders are significantly more talented outside the QB position, and have one of the league's best Olines--and probably *the* best at pass protection.

Aside from Wilson and Cousins, I really think it's worth considering RG3 as well--he was absolutely ruined by Washington. Hell, even Osweiler, Foles, and Keenum were good enough to get second and third contracts. The main reason 2012's class hasn't looked ridiculously good ring-wise is because the previous HoF bunch (Brady, Manning x2, Roflberger, Brees) were/are still around.


E: Actually this got me thinking about what a tier-ing of NFL teams by talent level would look like. Not like a power ranking per se, because you'd also have to include depth and it's possible for a less-talented team to be better if it has good people at the right positions, etc

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Amy Pole Her posted:

Ross is a pretty great owner who refused to hold an entire region hostage and was quoted as saying "Ill pay for the renovations to bring Super Bowls to Miami. I've got the money" and he did.

Sorry Las Vegas is too stupid to reject such a terrible deal. Lol at anyone who lacks enough reading comprehension to realize gee this tax won't only hurt tourists! And it's only a percent! What a win! Time to buy some lottery tickets ! *breathes heavy through mouth*

My favorite part about this is that NFL referees were banned from visiting vegas during the NFL season and now that particular rule will have to be changed.

E: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-nfl-has-an-odd-rule-about-refs-visiting-las-vegas-during-the-regular-season/

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

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Did we discuss this proposed rule change by Washington?

quote:

Rule Change: Moves the line of scrimmage to the 20-yard line for any touchback where the free kick travels through the uprights.

Because I find that to be pretty hilarious and also something I can get behind


MalarkeyToboggan posted:

All sports are cool and good.

Wrong. Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jazHy6E_zI

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Kalli posted:

It'd at least keep people's attention slightly which is good, but feels pretty gimmicky.

I'm fine with it, but I think they want to try to eliminate kickoffs, and they need something that convinces teams to boot it into the endzone instead of what teams like the Pats' did last year, which was try and land it just short so teams would have to return it and do poorly at it.

Yeah, the other part of the problem is that even though the intent was fine--returns got much worse since players were much, much less likely to get past the 25, the percentage of touchbacks didn't actually increase (my rough/quick math puts 2016 at 56.8% of kickoffs, compared to 56% in 2015), because returners were just as likely to run it out and get smeared. I think this is partly due to perverse incentives, though--if you're a return specialist, you aren't being paid to take a knee.

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Can anyone tell me what this proposed rule change actually means?

quote:

15. By Competition Committee; Makes actions to conserve time illegal after the two-minute warning of either half.

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whypick1 posted:

The example I remember reading was teams just holding like crazy on defense to stop the clock.


Kalli posted:

Say there's 10s left in the half, and you're on D. O's going to try and run 1 play before attempting a FG, but definitely doesn't have time for two.

On the snap, everyone on D holds like crazy, runs 6s off the clock. Move forward 5 yards, attempt the kick, you are 100% for sure not giving up a TD there.

Or the Ravens in one game last year, 10s left, they have to punt. Entire offense just tackles everyone on the D, punter runs around until time expires then takes a knee.


No. There's another proposed rule change for that already, and it's fine:

quote:


Rule Change: Makes it Unsportsmanlike Conduct to commit multiple fouls during the same down designed to manipulate the game clock.


This is apparently something else

TheChirurgeon
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Grittybeard posted:

Michael Irvin was accused of raping a woman again.

Wait are you telling me that a guy who once stabbed a teammate in the neck with scissors over a haircut is a piece of poo poo?

TheChirurgeon
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MrLogan posted:

No time outs allowed after the 2 minute warning.

Wait, is that true? That's a massive change if so

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a neat cape posted:

The Seahawks losing an afc championship is impressive

Hey it's happened before

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DariusLikewise posted:

Sounds like he's fetching coffee for Spanos in a wink nudge contract situation

it's a step up from carrying water for the organization during last year's Bosa holdout

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Aug 7, 2002

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Brady/Gronk/literally anyone

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AKA "Why the Cowboys were able to outplay their level of talent on Defense last year"
https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/847810476264349700

https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/847813079241027586

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Kalli posted:

Out of curiosity I grabbed a list of each guy they wrote about for Sackseer from 2012-2015 and tossed the rankings in a list:

It's actually a healthy bit better then I thought it was with some obvious misses.

The methodology is pretty solid, but even with the stats going into it, you aren't gonna hit 100% of the time--too much other stuff going into why a player succeeds or fails.

It's telling that Sam couldn't crack the Cowboys' roster in a year when the team as a whole logged 27 sacks (28th in the NFL that season).

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WHOOPS posted:

Adrian Peterson is bad, unless he signs with the Patriots, which will make him good again?

Can't wait to read stories about his "Redemption' when the pats are in the playoffs next year and he's logged 1,200 yards rushing

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Kalli posted:

Gronk owns.

I don't think Adrian is a good fit. He could be used like how the Pats used Blount, but... old guys are really bad bangers. He might be using this trip as a way to drum up interest I guess?

are we really pretending that Belichick couldn't find a good way to use AP

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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

He couldn't do anything with Stephen Jackson.

I guess, but Jackson was never on Peterson's level and had more wear on his tires last year than Peterson will have going into this season

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GaussianCopula posted:

Unless he wants a ring.

That is literally the only reason he'd be talking to the Pats. It's not some big secret that they underpay guys by saying "do you want money or do you want a ring?"

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Amy Pole Her posted:

One dimensional?

Yeah I must have missed the memo but now all of a sudden TFF thinks that AP was never good

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Aug 7, 2002

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Just so we're clear, Lynch will be 31 in April

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Volkerball posted:

And AP turned 32 last week.

Hey, I actually agree with you about running backs for once. My point was more that if you're going to say AP is a bad addition because he's 32, maybe don't act like Lynch is significantly younger

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Kalli posted:

It's fine if a guy is completely one dimensional if you can use him in that fashion. Like, with the Raiders' oline, using AD as a part time guy, that'd be fine. He'd be used like how the Patriots' used Blount, occasionally on 1st down, comes in on ... and short downs and in the red zone and as closer. If he's right, he's a steam roller you have to worry about, and helps sell the play action even if he himself isn't a receiving weapon.

That said, he's 32 and steam rollers age very poorly. If he wants to try and be Jerome Bettis his way to a ring, he may be able to, but I'm not exactly excited about him. I'd probably rather have Blount, and I don't think that highly of Blount either.

The Raiders still ran 65% of their run plays out of QB under center formations, so there'd be plenty of opportunities for him in the rule that suits him. I agree that he's not going to be the guy at 32 that he was at 25, but there are precedents for guys having good seasons post-30 and if any RB is going to do it, I'd be on AP. I mean, I wouldn't bet on him having 1500 yards or anything, but a good (1k+) season is very possible on a team with a good QB and a good line.

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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

As is for practically any starting or second string back in the league.

For practically any starting RB under 30, sure. For a guy over 30 playing limited snaps? more difficult.

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