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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Just caught up. Season is kind of weird so far, especially now that more of the show takes place in Russia. I like Oleg and all but they are going to do that maybe they could lose the color filter?

Also is it me or did their disguises get worse? Phil's airline pilot guy seems especially half-assed, and I wasn't impressed with their country routine either.

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

TheCenturion posted:

This is back in the eighties, there wasn't much in the way of "national databases" of suspects.

sure and that explains Philip just throwing on a cowboy hat in Kentucky, but the airline pilot one barely looks like a real person, like it just looks like a dude with a bad fake mustache, and that one is used close to home

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Propaganda Machine posted:

Wait, do we know that? I appreciate show-don't-tell, but that whole plotline came out of nowhere with little to no explanation.

yeah your right I guess that could all be happening somewhere else, I just assumed it was still DC area because they don't mention having to travel somewhere and it seemed like they were able to get back to their regular cover lives quickly. but yeah the way it was introduced was pretty jarring

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

withak posted:

I think that including some ridiculous feature makes for a pretty good disguise. The witness focuses on the terrible mustache or silly hat, and his description can be made useless seconds after making your escape by ditching the offending item.

makes sense for short jobs like when they went to bug lab, for you'd think for longer term work of creating a persona and developing relationships etc you'd want something that looked a little less ridiculous

on the other hand, I do remember that in the 80's and early 90's there really were a lot of legit terrible dye jobs, toupees, and mustaches around. but I think Clark was a better portrayal of the whole bad toupee look

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

mobby_6kl posted:

Somebody actually put in the effort to track down every instance when someone had to make an excuse for Henry missing from the house, which happened 22 times so far: https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/the-americans-where-is-henry-jennings.html

This page isn't loading. What is the deal is the guy just busy on another show or something?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Pontius Pilate posted:

I'm glad someone finally brought this up. You goons need to get out of the house more often! It's not at all uncommon for natural blondes to have darker eyebrows/facial hair.

I'm the one that brought up the disguise looking bad, but I don't think it's really the color issue exactly there's just something "off" about that mustache, maybe the shape of it or something, but in any case that disguise just sticks out to me as kind of crap compared to most of the others


TheCenturion posted:

They made a point of trying to treat defectors well, IIRC, to encourage others, and for PR purposes, of a sort.

was she publicly known as a defector? it wasn't really clear how the situation was dealt with from a public/PR perspective, I thought as far as the FBI (and American public) were concerned she just disappeared

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

OMGVBFLOL posted:

watch this drat show do nothing with that martha tease. shes just alive in moscow that's it lol

Does Oleg know who Martha is? I mean he knew Stan and most probably knew that Gaad's office had been bugged, maybe even knew about her relocating to Russia since that was a larger operation..

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

yeah a lot of those little health food co op places in the midwest and south have been going since the 70's

to me the bigger fuckup was the previous episode they were supposed to be in Illinois but there were mountains in the background the whole time, looked like the Catskills

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Pontius Pilate posted:

There's uh some hills in southern Illinois and quad cities area! My biggest disappointment was that I wanted to see mid-80's Chicago instead of farmland.

if they did a Chicago scene it would probably just be filmed in NYC like the rest of the show. I see parts of Brooklyn and Queens that I recognize all the time

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

misdirectomy posted:

I assume Phil's other son shows up on their doorstep next week. I can't remember, does he know his son is coming? Any ideas where that storyline may go?

No he has no idea. IIRC last Phil heard it wasn't clear whether this kid was in Afghanistan or not.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

hatelull posted:

Phil's son could possibly further pull him away from "The Cause." He's already considering the fact that the Russia he's working so hard to protect and save may not be the greatest place, and his childhood memories are far from happy. Learning about his son's first hand experiences in his homeland could tip the scales. However, his son is technically AWOL I guess? That could cause problems, and Gabriel will definitely find it problematic.

If I were Phil and some kid claiming to be my son showed up on my doorstep right as I was beginning to have my most serious doubts, I would assume it was the Center trying to trick me into admitting something.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Fast Luck posted:

I think Gabriel helped him get called back from Afghanistan

Do we know that's what actually happened? I don't remember the very first scenes with the son himself, but when Gabriel said that I assumed it was just some poo poo he was making up to make Phil feel better - after all, how would Phil even know?

also, not that the show is super realistic, but it doesn't seem likely that someone in Gabriel's position would even have that kind of pull.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

quite a lot going on in this preview:

https://twitter.com/TheAmericansFX/status/847893852774174720

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

LostOne posted:

he does know Irina was caught in Brazil and sent back home for trial.

I thought she was executed?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

OMGVBFLOL posted:

There were, like, ten of them busted all at once. That could very well be an endgame they've considered.

IIRC the ones who were busted in 2010 were welcomed back to Russia warmly and then just continued on with their espionage careers probably in other countries, I don't think that's really dramatic enough for the show

Longbaugh01 posted:

Someone earlier in this thread said it should end with either Elizabeth, Phillip, or both watching the Berlin Wall coming down, and now I can't think how that wouldn't be a part of the final episode.

They'd have to jump ahead 5 years in time to do that, which would definitely be a break with the speed of the show and also thats harder to deal with when you have teenage actors

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Apr 3, 2017

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

TheCenturion posted:

Mark my words, they're going to find out that the midges are for testing pest-resistant crops, cuz the US is trying to be helpful, and it's going to rock Elizabeth, if not shatter her.

That is an interesting direction and plausible for sure. But what about the fact that Stan and Alderholt are going around trying to talk to people who deal with those same agricop companies, and being coldly refused?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't remember those guys being Soviet nationals? They seemed like random American businessmen who had dealings with some of the same agriculture companies that P&E are dealing with, but I don't remember them having Russian accents or names or anything. Maybe I was just too high and missed that..

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

LostOne posted:

If it were me I'd make the final season from the perspective of the FBI, catch some damning evidence in this year's finale and spend the last ten episodes chasing down the leads until of course Stan ends up in front of his own house.

I wouldn't be surprised if the last episode had a scene mirroring the one from the pilot where Stan breaks into P&E's garage in the middle of the night

And I also wouldn't be surprised if the show ends with the FBI swarming up on their house and then its just left like that, we don't actually know their fate

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Elizabeth runs off with Pastor Tim to build Real Socialism in a commune in the woods of western PA

Philip agrees to sell everything he knows to the FBI and DoD in exchange for cash which he spends on a collection of American muscle cars and eventually opens a repair shop called Mischa and Son

Paige, who was starting to become a valuable agent by the time the wall came down, transfers to the FSB and spends the 2016 pretending to be Bernie Bros on the internet

Oleg does a good job at his current post and is promoted, eventually moving into politics and befriending Boris Yeltsin, eventually becoming a Medvedev-esque figure under Putin

Stan is fired and tries to defect but is too late to secure any kind of good position and winds up as a news anchor on Russia Today, eventually dying after a "mishap" in which he "falls" out of a fourth floor window.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

I don't foresee Stan having any happier of an ending either. In fact I think it's possible he'll get fired (or worse) before Philip and Elizabeth get caught.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

kind of depends on how much he finds out. There's finding out Phil is a Soviet spy, and then there's finding out Phil is the Soviet spy who killed his partner, seduced and married Martha, had Gaad's office bugged, faked the suicide of that FBI IT guy or whoever it was, etc. etc.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Apr 3, 2017

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I still don't get why so many posters in this thread think that after the Soviet Union ended all Soviet spies abroad just gave up and stopped being spies like they lost a board game.

No one thinks that but we're talking about the universe of the show and these particular characters, their fate is going to be based more on what the writers feel is dramatically appropriate than what would have actually happened to spies in real life. I don't think post-Soviet careers in Russian intelligence are very likely for them. maybe for Paige or Henry.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

esperterra posted:

dam son how did you not know keri russell was felicity

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

esperterra posted:

like it's basically the only thing she was known for before this show started!!

before felicity she was well known for a series of noxema commercials. like i remember when felicity was just coming out people were calling it "that new show with the noxema girl"

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

just about everyone on this show is amazing. would love to see Matthew Rhys and especially Allison Wright in higher profile work as well

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

my prediction for this season is that they use Edge of Seventeen for Paige's first real mission

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