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That list of "problems" is exactly why superhero movies and their fans are awful. Talk about missing the point of every second of a film.
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Incidentally, I thought this movie was amazing except for the part where they had to evacuate my theater because a skinhead in the second row was standing up and occasionally screaming incoherent rage at the screen while fiddling with something in his pocket that one person said was a knife. This is not an experience I recommend, despite the free passes we got.
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So until very last minutes of the movie, Logan was a mediocre but still entertaining diversion. Before the very end, there were two parts that made it bad. First, the undercurrents of sadism, with comic book heroes turned pitiful old men writhing on the floor. Second, the was the thick, syrupy sentimentalism (which would once or twice immediately turn int more gruesome violence). They were bad things, but as an comic book ex-fan I would be lying if I said that seeing Wolverine mutilating people in all of its R-Rated glory wasn't entertaining enough and cathartic. But in the end.... well, this movie has Wolverine die, after so many adventures of varying quality. It wasn't a particularly impressive death scene, but not bad either. But after that, he gets an improvised funeral. All the mourners are kids, and one of the kids is mournfully squeezing onto his Wolverine action figure. It's a minor detail, but it really loving sums up the movie. After all, it's the last we actually see of Wolverine, since he's dead and buried.. It's so loving terrible that everything good and bad about the movie is now filtered through that one tiny detail, because it gets to the heart of what the movie is about : the death of an action figure.. However, if you want to see Wolverine cut up some people, you're probably going to enjoy this movie.
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Steve2911 posted:That list of "problems" is exactly why superhero movies and their fans are awful. Hell yeah, thankfully critics arent quite that jaded and can actually recognise quality narratives and craftmanship when it shows up on the big screen. Logan was a good movie, it has some minor plot holes that are very nitpicky in nature but thats it. It doesnt need "an awesome villan" to work, hell having someone like Sabertooth in it would totally detract from the story and the central theme of logan finding his humanity again and the parental bonds between Logan and the main supporting characters. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 20:41
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Gyges posted:The old man rage yells in the woods were fantastic. https://twitter.com/RealHughJackman/status/839108592447995907 
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Steve2911 posted:That list of "problems" is exactly why superhero movies and their fans are awful. Not empty quoting. Whoever up above said that this is treating it like a puzzle to be solved is spot on.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:09
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So until very last minutes of the movie, Logan was a mediocre but still entertaining diversion. Before the very end, there were two parts that made it bad. First, the undercurrents of sadism, with comic book heroes turned pitiful old men writhing on the floor. Second, the was the thick, syrupy sentimentalism (which would once or twice immediately turn int more gruesome violence). How can you be so spot on in your Rothfuss tear-ups but so incredibly wrong here? It's kinda baffling.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:12
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The complaints about the water tower as an attempt to shield Xavier are pretty funny seeing as the drat thing plain doesn't work (see first seizure scene) and is pretty clearly Logan and Caliban just trying to find something that works and failing just like the rest of their attempts to control Xavier's condition.
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PJOmega posted:How can you be so spot on in your Rothfuss tear-ups but so incredibly wrong here? It's kinda baffling. Maybe you don't see it because in this scenario you are Jivjov 
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The water tower had a bunch of holes in it and probably had nothing to do with actually shielding Xavier. Being in the middle of nowhere in Mexico is why they were there (lack of people to notice/get harmed).
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Mar 7, 2017 21:41
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So is Shane really good then? I've literally never heard of it until this, and now I see a bunch of articles like "Oh yeah seminal film that influenced allllllllll the filmmakers." Westerns usually bore me, but maybe I'll give it a go.
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Shane is really good. It is also very dated and a seminal western, so you might not enjoy it.
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If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film Edit: Article is very upfront with major spoilers
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Shane is really good. It is also very dated and a seminal western, so you might not enjoy it. Yeah, for someone who's never seen it, it may have a "Godfather problem," where it feels derivative because of how influential it was. Aspects of it found their way into so many westerns, it's easy to lose track of how original it was upon release.
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Captain_Person posted:If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film Wow that was very informative. I didn't even notice any of those.
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Captain_Person posted:If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film Completely seamless. I wonder if the CGI avatars could pull off dialogue or if it would become really obvious then.
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It's cool when people write posts critiquing movies they clearly weren't paying attention to. Hold on, how did Laura know the entire end speech to Shane? Where did that green vial come from, somehow I missed the five other times it came up in the movie. I have a bladder problem and had to pee the entire middle of the movie, why is Professor X old now?Captain_Person posted:If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film Rogue One should be held as an example of lovely CGI people and Logan as a good one. Vhak lord of hate fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Look I just don't think it's fair to dismiss any and all questions I have about the movie because "It's a movie and it's just trying to tell the story and doesn't have to spoon feed you all the answers" like duh, I know that, but it doesn't stop the questions from coming and some of them are sloppy writing concerns. Like in the first scene Logan just grunts and buckshot pushes itself out of his chest and arms, but then like 30 minutes later he cuts his hand open on his own claws and needs a bandage. I'm admitting I missed all the Shane parallels, but 30 seconds of them watching a movie was bookended by the 2nd biggest fight scene in the movie and Xavier's psychic seizure scene, which were way more engaging and maybe its my fault that i can't divorce the two decades of comic books I'm going into this movie with the film itself. The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics, because its entirely within the realm of plausibility that a minor detail like what the water tower is made of or where all Xavier's money went is going to be an important plot point later on down the line. I just think its weird the entire plot revolves around them escaping to Canada and finding asylum but we don't know how or through whom because all we ever hear is that one radio communication between the Earthmover dude. I don't think it would have detracted from the film to put in like a single line about "These people reached out to us and told us where we could find safety". All i'm saying is this movie could have swapped out the 30 minutes Logan and Xavier spent ruining some country families entire life for maybe a single flashback of Charles's first psychic break and their subsequent flight south of the border and many of my gripes would probably get washed away there. Actually, instead of a flashback, make it a literal nightmare, and then he wakes up and tells Logan all about it and then X-24 surprise ganks him. The "point of the film" is to tell the story of James Howlett's final days, redeeming himself from a life of murder and pain by helping the new generation of mutants to safety and metaphorically/literally overcoming the endless rage of his past (X-24) in order to do so. The film says goodbye to two of the most beloved characters in the Marvel universe and provides us closure on their stories, I didn't miss the loving point because it's not a complicated movie at all, and I got all of that even without the now obvious Shane parallels, which shows that yes they obviously did something very right, but a lot of people can't just go "That doesn't really make sense to me but whatever, it's a movie so I'm probably just dumb for caring". Captain_Person posted:If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film This is loving super cool Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 23:04
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Bust Rodd posted:The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics, They are not wanted, or welcomed, here. Perhaps you could post your brilliant observations on {literally the entire rest of the internet where this sort of dross is welcomed and even celebrated}.
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Ok Pal, I'm sorry i didn't realize this was a Logan hugbox where we all just sit in a circle and wonder why the movie wasn't rated even higher on Rotten Tomaters...
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok Pal, I'm sorry i didn't realize this was a Logan hugbox where we all just sit in a circle and wonder why the movie wasn't rated even higher on Rotten Tomaters... You've confused "we don't like your boring negative posts" with "we don't like negative posts". In the interest of being constructive: you admit that a cool action scene made you forget that the film lays its entire thesis at your feet, you continually and repeatedly fail to infer very basic motivations and setting information from what the movie presents, and you spend your time lamenting that CHARACTER X didn't do THING Y like you wanted. It's absolutely godawful go-nowhere criticism that isn't insightful or interesting. Please stop. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Bust Rodd posted:The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics Logan is a movie.
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Bust Rodd posted:
It isn't like this was playing in the background and other poo poo was going on. Laura and Xavier are literally sitting down and the camera clearly focuses on showing the movie, and then the characters even specifically mention the title of the movie. This was an important scene. Even someone who didn't know Shane was an actual film should understand that it was a scene worth remembering. quote:what the water tower is made of It doesn't really matter specifically what it is made of; the message is it really isn't helping and only serves to isolate Charles to mitigate the damage his seizures can cause quote:or where all Xavier's money went They're clearly in hiding and even if his money is stashed in a bank it isn't like they can easily access without being noticed. Hiding out and buying medicine on the black market is expensive. They even made a point of that in the film when Logan delivers the batch of medicine to Caliban, and that they don't quite have enough money for the boat. quote:I just think its weird the entire plot revolves around them escaping to Canada and finding asylum but we don't know how or through whom because all we ever hear is that one radio communication between the Earthmover dude. I don't think it would have detracted from the film to put in like a single line about "These people reached out to us and told us where we could find safety". The movie makes it pretty clear that this refuge place isn't necessarily real, it is just something that those kids are hoping are real and their only source is second or third hand information. I mean it really doesn't seem like you paid attention to the movie. Maybe stick to movies that are 90 minutes or less? That might help. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Gosh, it's almost like the movie makers hoped the audience would infer all those details from what was shown onscreen and figure it out for themselves instead of doll out every detail in spoon-sized portions. Boneheaded mistake right there!
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Another fun tibit: Siddhartha Mukherjee, author of The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer and The Gene: An Intimate History was the first person listed in the final acknowledgments during the credits. Not really much else to say about it, but I thought it was kinda neat.
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Bust Rodd posted:The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics, because its entirely within the realm of plausibility that a minor detail like what the water tower is made of or where all Xavier's money went is going to be an important plot point later on down the line. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Bust Rodd posted:All i'm saying is this movie could have swapped out the 30 minutes Logan and Xavier spent ruining some country families entire life this is the part where Logan learns about family and love and is literally the emotional core of the movie. It is their one normal moment where they are all happy. And you think they should have dumped it for a flashback. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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NmareBfly posted:this is the part where Logan learns about family and love and is literally the emotional core of the movie. It is their one normal moment where they are all a happy. And you think they should have dumped it for a flashback. Or maybe throw in like 4-5 dream sequences...hmmm...maybe Zack Snyder could make an ULTIMATE EDITION of Logan.
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Bust Rodd posted:The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics, because its entirely within the realm of plausibility that a minor detail like what the water tower is made of or where all Xavier's money went is going to be an important plot point later on down the line. Steve2911 posted:That list of "problems" is exactly why superhero movies and their fans are awful Bust Rodd posted:All i'm saying is this movie could have swapped out the 30 minutes Logan and Xavier spent ruining some country families entire life for maybe a single flashback of Charles's first psychic break and their subsequent flight south of the border and many of my gripes would probably get washed away there.
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Bust Rodd posted:I just think its weird the entire plot revolves around them escaping to Canada and finding asylum but we don't know how or through whom because all we ever hear is that one radio communication between the Earthmover dude. I don't think it would have detracted from the film to put in like a single line about "These people reached out to us and told us where we could find safety". I think that would distract from the point. The movie does have some points about refugees and immigration, but the point at the end is not the brave nation of Canada standing up to multinational eugenicists. The kids aren't, as Logan thinks, trying to find some technological utopia from a comic book. They're going to build somewhat normal lives with each other as family, that's the real end goal.
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Though thinking on the family bit there is one thing that I realized on reflection -- At the very end, Logan says the ambiguous 'so this is what it's like...' line. When I first watched I assumed that it was referencing Xavier's 'this is what family is like' speech but it only just now occurred that real Logan never actually heard that speech. It works thematically, but he wasn't present to hear it so it's a little odd. There's a minor nitpick, I guess.
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NmareBfly posted:Though thinking on the family bit there is one thing that I realized on reflection -- At the very end, Logan says the ambiguous 'so this is what it's like...' line. When I first watched I assumed that it was referencing Xavier's 'this is what family is like' speech but it only just now occurred that real Logan never actually heard that speech. It works thematically, but he wasn't present to hear it so it's a little odd. He did hear it, actually. He hears it before he goes out to help the farmer.
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He's referring to dying either way. After dealing it out so long now he gets to experience it, finally.
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The last sequence of the movie is Logan going from The Wolverine, to Shane, to James Howlett, father and X-Man. It's legit.
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It's both. He's talking about both things.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:He did hear it, actually. He hears it before he goes out to help the farmer. Oh right, I'm an idiot. I thought Xavier said it when he woke up in the AM. Welp, nevermind then. quote:He's referring to dying either way. After dealing it out so long now he gets to experience it, finally. That's the thing -- you can look at it either way. It's death or love. No way to know for sure.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The last sequence of the movie is Logan going from The Wolverine, to Shane, to James Howlett, father and X-Man. You forget one step - action figure.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You forget one step - action figure. Very true. Into myth.
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