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X-Posting from the GBS thread, I just skimmed the thread and I am kinda surprised at the lack of general criticism in this thread. Disclaimer: I liked this film a lot, I'd give a SOLID 7/10 and would recommend it to fans of any other Marvel films ~Given that the movie establishes Logan has no beef carving up dudes who gently caress with him, there has to be a better way to make money for him than being a loving limo driver ~Where did all of Xavier's money go? How does a rusty water tower protect him from psychic interference? ~We are given a threadbare non-explanation for Wolverine's healing factor being all hosed up and it functions exactly as well as the plot needs it to right up until they give him a LITERAL MAGIC POTION that reverts him from Diet Wolverine to Classic Wolverine (the sequence where he is chain-mauling dudes in the Yukon in a bloody tank top was worth the cost of the matinee ticket alone, however, so *shrug*) ~How does a nurse from Mexico get in touch with the Canadian border hopping mutant 'coyotes' who are supposedly sympathetic to the mutant cause despite them not having existed for like 20 years? These nameless, faceless macguffins hiding out in Canada don't make sense, but neither does having an outpost in the middle of Dakota based on GPS coordinates from a comic book... ~Charles Xavier, Horse Whisperer ~The black family was as good as dead the second they hit the screen. This scene drags on and on and is so painfully telegraphed that it just comes off as tragedy porn. "We, a small town folksy family fighting against BIG CORN, open up our fabulous farmhouse mansion to you while discussing our hopes and dreams. Someday we'll even go on VACATION like city folks!" They could have just gotten tracked by Kalaban to the highway, had the robo trucks drive them off the side, and then have them camp out, where they get jumped by Clone-verine. Like, Logan goes to take a piss and you can still have the 'sneak-in and kill you' scene. This doesn't drive up the stakes anymore, it just drags out the movie. You could have established "what life could have been like" in dozens of ways (camping under the stars) but this just felt awful to watch and Charles Xavier used to be one of the smartest and most powerful psychics on the planet but he can't seem to figure out that maybe the snake-in the grass gold toothed cyborg was lying about killing their extremely useful mutant tracking friend? ~Switching out Bad Guys halfway through the movie is just bad writing, IMO. Gold Tooth Robo-Hands was a great villain with lots of personality, but he gets shunted to the background once the scientist and Clone-verine show up and he doesn't even have any line in the 2nd half of the movie, and then he is killed by GRASS! Just make him the Weapon X scientist guy's son and make him maybe a little jealous & scared of Clone-verine ~Criminally underused army of child killer mutants. X-23 was hyper badass, but aren't they all from the same program? Why are they all out of shape and scared but she's a slaughterhouse with a gymnast body? You could make the argument that her physiology and instincts are part of her X-gene but... ~Kalaban going from punk bitch to suicide bomber was cool but like why not just force them to shoot you back in Mexico? What changes for him between Mexico and Oklahoma? ~The only thing that can stop Wolverine is a younger, dumber Wolverine! Unless the older, smarter Wolverine with 100+ years of combat training could somehow gain the upper hand ~A loving treestump is what takes out Wolverine? How does this even go through his Adamantium ribcage? What the fuckin' gently caress ~"Ok sweetie, in this scene your dad is ded and you're like really really sad... no I need more snot... More snot honey... No, I need like a sad booger fountain... there we go" ~Her giving the eulogy in English when she and all the children present are born/raised in Mexico was lame as hell and they could have just used subtitles tastefully and it would have been just as impactful and made sense and sounded better Those are the nitpicks that stayed with us on the drive home, but again, we both liked it a lot, but sometimes I feel like the thing the differentiates comic book films from more traditional action-fantasy movies besides the IP usage is that sloppy writing just gets hand-waved away constantly and it makes me wonder if anyone ever stops and says "I know this movie is based on a series of impossible things, but this doesn't make sense WITHIN the consistent framework of the story we're trying to tell". I'm a creative writing teacher and my buddy writes screenplays and directs mid-budget hollywood poo poo, so neither of us are comfortable handwaving poo poo away, especially when the movie does so many things well. I think this is certainly in the top 5 comic book movies of all time, with Iron Man and Spider-Man 2 and Deadpool and The Crow Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Im also not trying to poo poo on anyone's ideas, but im also surprised how many people lament the lack of a stinger (post-credits scene). The expanded Marvel cinematic universe is successful, but the movies themselves break all kinds of rules about what is good writing and good story structure, and I was so relieved that Logan is just a movie with an ending and not a giant loving "OR MAYBE????" at the end. Like the story happened and now its over and we the audience get closure on that story, and we don't have to wait a year to see what happens next. I definitely wouldn't have noticed the Shane parallels without this thread, which is weird because i loving loved that book in school. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Wait X-23's speech at the end is a quote from another movie? Is it from Shane? I completely and totally missed that. I guess I just assumed a dude who spent like 60 years running a school for international black ops special agents would have have the foresight to squirrel some money away in a safe or a vault somewhere. Maybe the gov't seized it when he went coocoo but it was only a year ago that it happened so it's not far-fetched to expect that they might talk about it. We already have Magneto's helmet and Juggernaught's helmet in universe to tell us "You need special metal to block psychic interference" and the water tower that you can literally see through the rusty holes of does not seem to be on par with that, so the answer to the question could have been "It was nice of Magneto to help you hide like this" or something. I'm glad the movie picks up pretty much right when you see their hideout because that whole sequence just had me scratching my head until the bad guys show up.
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Look I just don't think it's fair to dismiss any and all questions I have about the movie because "It's a movie and it's just trying to tell the story and doesn't have to spoon feed you all the answers" like duh, I know that, but it doesn't stop the questions from coming and some of them are sloppy writing concerns. Like in the first scene Logan just grunts and buckshot pushes itself out of his chest and arms, but then like 30 minutes later he cuts his hand open on his own claws and needs a bandage. I'm admitting I missed all the Shane parallels, but 30 seconds of them watching a movie was bookended by the 2nd biggest fight scene in the movie and Xavier's psychic seizure scene, which were way more engaging and maybe its my fault that i can't divorce the two decades of comic books I'm going into this movie with the film itself. The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics, because its entirely within the realm of plausibility that a minor detail like what the water tower is made of or where all Xavier's money went is going to be an important plot point later on down the line. I just think its weird the entire plot revolves around them escaping to Canada and finding asylum but we don't know how or through whom because all we ever hear is that one radio communication between the Earthmover dude. I don't think it would have detracted from the film to put in like a single line about "These people reached out to us and told us where we could find safety". All i'm saying is this movie could have swapped out the 30 minutes Logan and Xavier spent ruining some country families entire life for maybe a single flashback of Charles's first psychic break and their subsequent flight south of the border and many of my gripes would probably get washed away there. Actually, instead of a flashback, make it a literal nightmare, and then he wakes up and tells Logan all about it and then X-24 surprise ganks him. The "point of the film" is to tell the story of James Howlett's final days, redeeming himself from a life of murder and pain by helping the new generation of mutants to safety and metaphorically/literally overcoming the endless rage of his past (X-24) in order to do so. The film says goodbye to two of the most beloved characters in the Marvel universe and provides us closure on their stories, I didn't miss the loving point because it's not a complicated movie at all, and I got all of that even without the now obvious Shane parallels, which shows that yes they obviously did something very right, but a lot of people can't just go "That doesn't really make sense to me but whatever, it's a movie so I'm probably just dumb for caring". Captain_Person posted:If behind the scenes stuff interests you here is a really great article on some of the CG work done for the film This is loving super cool Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 23:04
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Ok Pal, I'm sorry i didn't realize this was a Logan hugbox where we all just sit in a circle and wonder why the movie wasn't rated even higher on Rotten Tomaters...
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