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The movie's called Logan, not some permutation of Wolverine. It makes sense that the biggest threat in the film is X-24, a distilled version of what the Wolverine is. The question of the film is, "what value does Logan have?" He's old, not particularly virtuous, not particularly capable. Whatever Weapon X made him into can now be cooked up in a lab, and X-24 takes the strategic advantage of his mutant-ness away. What's left? The answer is ultimately his bravery, self-sacrifice, and his love for those close to him. Things Logan has. Things X-24 doesn't.
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Vinny the Shark posted:...but I didn't think I would get hit so hard seeing Xavier the way he was. He was such a wise old mentor to his students, with quite possibly the most powerful mind in the world. Now he's a senile, helpless old man, his mighty powers he once saved many lives with is now a dangerous liability. Not only that, but we find out that he killed the students he loved at Westchester not because of an evil villain's influence or as an act of self preservation of some kind, but because he simply lost control of his powers. Professor X was always one of my favorite characters in comic book lore, and seeing him like this was really tough for me personally. Watching him tell the casino patrons "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" hit me hard. I was glad, however, that he was briefly able to gain just enough control of his powers to guide the loose horses back to safety on the highway and he found a measure of happiness at that family's house before he died. Everything about Xavier's story was the most  thing ever. He's one of my favorite characters, and seeing him in this story was insanely heartbreaking.To the poster talking about how antisocial Laura was, I suspect she'd be way less well-socialized than even the other kids part of the same program. Most of those kids didn't have combat-applicable skills, so I imagine the Transigen people's intent was to use them as they did Caliban - a strategic non-combat resource for this or that special function. They were dehumanized, but were most useful as passively compliant slaves. Laura is different. She's intended to be this berserker military asset, to drop into a combat zone and kill everything that moves. In that sense, she was probably brutalized regularly, and taught only to fight. X-24 is the abstracted ideal of what Transigen wanted her for, as a mute super-soldier who does what he's told. This could explain away why Laura speaks Spanish and only some English while the others speak American English with no trouble. Maybe while the others spent time interacting with officers and scientists, her only substantive interaction was with nurses like Gabriela. Electricity kid probably studied diagrams and learned nuances of his skills. Laura only had to know where to stab, who to kill, and when to stop.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:14
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Shane is really good. It is also very dated and a seminal western, so you might not enjoy it. Yeah, for someone who's never seen it, it may have a "Godfather problem," where it feels derivative because of how influential it was. Aspects of it found their way into so many westerns, it's easy to lose track of how original it was upon release.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:13
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Bust Rodd posted:All i'm saying is this movie could have swapped out the 30 minutes Logan and Xavier spent ruining some country families entire life for maybe a single flashback of Charles's first psychic break and their subsequent flight south of the border and many of my gripes would probably get washed away there. Actually, instead of a flashback, make it a literal nightmare, and then he wakes up and tells Logan all about it and then X-24 surprise ganks him. On a structural level, I wouldn't want to see this. The atmosphere of this film is so centered on desolation and decay and emptiness. Its formal simplicity and the limit of its scope are strengths of the film, in my view. Showing Charles' past and explaining in explicit detail what "the Westchester incident" was would re-align the film to Charles' POV, and pepper the film with all this extraneous detail - other X-Men characters, new settings, a wider world than the largely subjective one that Logan is trapped in. It'd make it part of some grander franchise mythology, and not the minimalist fugue for these dying characters we're actually watching. In fact, it has a lot in common with The Road in that sense. You don't know that the kids are going to safe, or what the wider geopolitical reality is...you also don't know if Logan's sacrifice mattered in any objective sense. But it did matter to Laura and the other kids, whose mythologized conception of Wolverine was confirmed by the real man. The movie begins with Logan as nothing and nobody, and ends with him as a hero and a father. Plot questions outside that are kind of irrelevant.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:12
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MisterBibs posted:Can't wait for the next X-Men movie with a rebooted Wolverine. This movie has a rebooted Wolverine in it. It's a soulless monster that is explicitly the bad guy. What a bizarre reaction to have. "Ugh why is Wolverine so lovely and old? This movie's dumb, they should reboot him. We need a new, sexy, younger Wolverine."
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Mar 8, 2017 04:12
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"Movie sucked. Professor X acted all weird. Why wasn't this dementia patient rational and emotionally stable?"Roman Reigns posted:I guess mutants are destined to go extinct after all? It's kind of interesting how race conflict and genocide are as thematically central to X-Men as something abstract like vengeance or sanity are to Batman. The X-movies fetishize these apocalyptic alterverse moments the way Bat-films fetishize the Wayne's murder. "What if in Flashpoint, Thomas Wayne became the Batman?" "What if this time instead of mutant Auschwitz it was Monsanto who did it?"
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AvesPKS posted:I never understood those mimic Sentinels. Wouldn't it be a whole lot cheaper to tailor each robot (or even 2) to just specifically counter one mutant's powers, instead of being able to counter all mutant's powers ? Hey, who says the mimic type is even that expensive? Maybe it's the price of a rental fleet Yaris in dystopia 20xx. Besides, building tons of one thing is probably more cost effective than several different things. And the T-1000 hellbots are extremely terrifying. That's worth its weight in gold.
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