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ZorajitZorajit
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I don't know, I don't think the Horseman is Evil Jack. I absolutely agree that it's definitely Jack, but it's in possession of his magic sword. It leads me to believe that the Horseman is Jack Back. A Jack that has the means and determination to see his mission through.

Also, and I don't want to sound like an edgy apologist here, we're reminded twice in this episode that there is beauty in the future that is Aku. The innocent aliens at the beginning of the episode, and later Ashi admiring the world outside. Jack might well forced to answer the question if he can really undo the whole of time if he were to return and strike down Aku in his own time.

Last, I hadn't read any of The Dark Tower books when the series first started. But now that I have, the parallels really stand out to me. Far-Post Apocalypse, Wandering Stoic Warrior with Magic Weapon, Omnipresent but Nebulous Goal; it's all archetypal, monomyth stuff, but I really dig it.

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ZorajitZorajit
Sep 15, 2013

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I think there is an argument to be made that the series has become a certain kind of pornographic. It's increasingly worrying the number of IPs that just won't leave, and maybe Samurai Jack is one of them. I think it's too early to tell, and I think there's compelling evidence that the new season isn't a cash in and will be a sound conclusion. But, like the Transformers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, X-Men, Star Wars, etc. these franchises are decades old and way past their novelty.

ZorajitZorajit
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Sjs00 posted:

I'm surprised her head didn't get lopped off entirely.
Awesome show.

I think there would have been a grisly element of triumph in that. As is, it was just enough to get the job done and nothing more.

ZorajitZorajit
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TV Zombie posted:

Man...I really curious and excited in thinking about how Genndy ties everything up.

There is a zero percent chance that Jack makes it out alive. Maybe, Ashi eventually takes up his magic sword and steps forth to oppose or maybe time gets set right. But I cannot see this going any other way for Jack.

ZorajitZorajit
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Mraagvpeine posted:

The original sword was made from his father's spirit. Maybe Jack gets a new sword made from his spirit.

I don't remember this. I thought it was forged by three gods. I remember Odin or Thor hammering it. I suspect if a new sword is made "from Jack", then it won't be going to Jack.

ZorajitZorajit
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Dazerbeams posted:

Is Jack even capable of creating a sword from his own spirit at this point? He's a little unhinged.

I'm imagining a scene where Jack has killed the daughters, buried them, and, weeping, finds himself Silently.

ZorajitZorajit
Sep 15, 2013

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Hypothetically, would a possibly Samurai Ashi continuation (regardless of ending) be something that could possibly maintain the artistic values of Jack.

ZorajitZorajit
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He already freely welcomes refugees and keeps the wilderness beautifully pristine. His military budget and police aren't so great, but we really only have the pov of the most dangerous criminal on Earth to consider. Aku is demonstrably more desirably than the current administration.

ZorajitZorajit
Sep 15, 2013

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I think the skin-suits were sexualized in the way that Paul Dini's characters were sexualized -- they're not that objectionable until you start thinking about why the animator chose to portray them this way and realize that's his ideal / fetish / only female body type he can draw. If I were an apologist, I'd probably point out that Samurai Jack's visuals is so stylized that it shouldn't matter. But the show is practically devoid of female characters (did Jack's mother even have a line in the flashback?) and that it's unacceptable not to call out the failures of the auteur.

If you read these first episodes as being about a virile, perpetually young man conquering agency-less femininity with his wilderness ruggedness and individualism, you wouldn't be wrong. And what's the weapon he uses to do this? He wears no clothes and throws spears to make unloved women bleed. That's weird.

ZorajitZorajit
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raditts posted:

Can we have this one thing where we don't grasp at straws for reasons to consider it "problematic"

Can we just come together and root for him to get back, back to the past, sa-moo-rye jack

I legitimately can't tell how many "layers of irony" you're operating on here. But now I'm worried that "going back to the past" has become a metaphor for "making America great again." (wretch) and I think I have to root for the future that is Aku.

ZorajitZorajit
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Sorry, shouldn't have thought about the message being conveyed by media, especially not without checking from the author-on-high first. I'll go back to scribbling on every wall of my cell at the asylum now. I'd really hate to point out the flaws of a power fantasy starring a cis-het-able-male oligarch.

ZorajitZorajit
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Somberbrero posted:

oh, i think i get it. i like jack cool motorcycle. sad that motorcycle gone. :( miss motorcycle.

what if green horse = motorcycle?! ahh the mistery!

ZorajitZorajit
Sep 15, 2013

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ikanreed posted:

Did you know that in fiction, things can simultaneously be "real" and a metaphor?

We don't take kindly to no critical didacticism 'round here. 'Specially not no Magical Realist metaphors. Metaphors? I'll so you what my metas for!

ZorajitZorajit
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And there it is, the last nail in the coffin of this artistically bankrupt cash grab. An entire episode of fan service of almost every imaginable flavor. At least the show isn't pretending to be anything else now.

What was the loving point of any of this episode?! The Scotsman's slut shaming his daughters already established "continuity" for the fanboy jerkoffs that need to obsessively update the wikia pages. But now let's just roll out all these old designs to remind the fans that they get their payoff for remaining corpulent babies.

Let's remind ourselves again that Ashi was abused. And then let's juxtaposed that with a long bathing sequence and a loving Tinkerbell fetish costume. And all of this, just for Jack, the projection-character-extraordinarily to be reminded that he's special.

I hate nostalgia.

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ZorajitZorajit
Sep 15, 2013

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Women should be there to support men, and tend to their physical needs while men should be rewarded for learning lessons no more complex than "man, sure is hard sometimes." Genndy must be a miserable gently caress of a trillby'd mouthbreather.

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