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QuoProQuid posted:idk why you are assuming that the "berniecrats" are a majority of the democratic party, op. sanders supporters might be a significant portion of democrats, but the success of moderates within the party has not been invented out of whole cloth. And the establishment got their power by voodoo witchcraft, never once by getting involved decades ago. Condiv posted:cause the centrists have been hemorrhaging seats? As have the far leftists outside the safest seats. Wait, lemme guess, no TRUE leftist ever lost a race. And we had a non rigged primary. Because you don't like the results, you are screaming that it was rigged because that justifies your worldview and feeds your victim complex, even demanding thought policing on DNC members that they not even be allowed to have opinions on the candidates. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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Kilroy posted:everyone who disagrees with me clearly just wants to sabotage the utterly unstoppable political force of full communism now! Post the bills Trump has signed that directly assist his base you cowardly gently caress. If Republicans love and respect their base so very much and serve them tirelessly unlike the dems, show your proof.
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khwarezm posted:How the hell did you get that from his post? It was something in the other thread he refused to ever answer. He said that Dems hate their base and never do anything for them, while Trump and Republicans help their base. I used facts to show that's full of poo poo, he refused to acknowledge it.
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Mar 5, 2017 22:09
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Cerebral Bore posted:The GOP in the age of the Tea Party and Ted Cruz have kicked the everloving poo poo out the Democrats on the national level, so maybe you should take some pointers from them? Stop trusting partisan media that is only trying to weaken you? Yes, I keep explaining to Condiv and Kilroy we should do that, but they'd prefer to share every last divisive conspiracy theory Breitbart serves up.
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Mar 5, 2017 22:13
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Condiv posted:(btw, what kind of idiot metronome only swings right and center?) One you're looking at from the wrong angle where you insist that the whole world must be oriented around you. Hintedy loving hint hint.
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Mar 5, 2017 22:16
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Condiv posted:don't really see that, since tea partiers are basically running the country now... Horseshit. The tea party at least claimed initially to want more accountability, less money in politics, harsher restrictions on banks and more representative systems. All of those things are way further away now than they were 8 years ago. The Tea party now just wants Republican victoru at all costs. The GOP lobotomized the Tea party and made their interests its. GOP big money interests are running things and the tea party is just a white outrage machine to hand it to them quote:and no, i don't think bernie should run in 2020, but I think if we can find a younger person capable of claiming bernie's mantle, we'd do real well in the 2020 elections Yeah, just as well as those Bernie backed non-incumbents like Zephyr Rain did in 2016.
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Kilroy posted:He got it from his last thread that he hosed up, where I mentioned that the GOP does more to achieve what their base wants when they have power, e.g. endless bills to repeal Obamacare, seriously damaging the legitimacy the courts for a chance to install a pro-life Justice to SCOTUS, brinksmanship over the budget and debt in order to extract concessions from the President, etc etc. These are all horrible things, but they play well with the base so the GOP does it. It's not so much that we should want the Democrats to act this way, but some pandering in the form of at least trying to do what we want them to do would be nice, as opposed to immediately acting as though they're embarrassed to even have a base in the first place. It's nice to say "we're the party for all Americans" but when you get elected and then immediately ignore the people who voted for you, you tend not to do well in politics. I like how the only one of those that was even close to what their base wants and not just pure spite also happens to be the exact same action they would do if they wholly served their corporate masters and wanted a supreme Court Justice who would defend Citizens United v. Clinton to his dying breath. And how it ignores that the right wing base is a bunch of brainwashed rage monsters who reject any and every narrative Fox doesn't vomit down their throats, while you regularly keep going to Breitbart to hear how the Dems have betrayed you. They made the base love what they wanted to do anyway, they don't adhere to what the base wants, you dumb gently caress.
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Shbobdb posted:I agree. The dems need to pander to their awful base and at least pretend to want an end to sexism, an end to racism, a fair minimum wage, equality of opportunity, and an end to foreign wars of adventure. Considering that anything less than pulling some hitherto undiscovered lever that makes all Republicans heads literally implode and then achieving each of these with no consequences ever overnight is shouted down as identity politics, a distraction or lies, yes, you literally are asking for way too much. That's the thing about the Dem base - when they get red meat, they throw it back cause it's not locally sourced and cruelty free, and that Dems are being discriminatory cause they didn't throw something for vegetarians.
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Ah yes, I remember how the Tea Party reaction to Obama trying to improve relations with Russia was "good for them, this will be a boon for peace".
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icantfindaname posted:That was when a Kenyan born Muslim traitor was doing the negotiating, who probably was a Communist deep down too It's almost like they don't have a single actual political belief outside blindly opposing Dems, and Trump won them over by calling Obama a Kenyan. So the equivalent of this to make Dems all unite and love her would be Hillary saying Trump was a horrible human being. Wonder why she never did that?
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icantfindaname posted:Russia moved to white-nationalist ethno-nationalism back in the 90s dude In the GOP you loving moron.
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icantfindaname posted:Yeah, in the GOP and in movement conservatism the idolization of Russians a a right-wing bastion of the white race has been floating around under the surface for 25 years, you loving dumbass Way, way below the surface, to the point of them all despising it in 2013, yet coincidentally jumping 74% in 3 years just as Trump started praising Putin. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/14/gop-voters-warm-to-russia-putin-wikileaks-poll-finds/
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icantfindaname posted:No, I don't, because the idea that people have complicated opinions and that their propensity to change them based on new circumstances and the right arguments is actually an important part of their worldview, is obvious to anyone who's not a dumbass What a coincidence that the right argument was "Russia is great. You should like Russia" from a new York media figure. But I'm sure all his arguments were well thought out and highly researched, and it wasn't the base changing on a dime to March to whatever bullshit Trump was spewing.
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Condiv posted:he didn't really tell the base to get hosed, just leapt on their opinion changing when russia leaked hillary's dirty laundry Trump praising Putin predates the leaks. Trump praising Putin was why there even were leaks.
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icantfindaname posted:That's not what you suggested, you suggested he told them to 'get hosed' and they changed their mind. You're a loving idiot Trump ground one of their most sacredly held beliefs into the dust and poo poo on it, they immediately tossed any inkling of ever opposing Russia down the memory hole - something you are actively helping them with. Meanwhile, "elite liberals" do everything short of full surrender to the base and you treat it like it's a declaration of open hate. You actively look for any reason you can to not support the dems.
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Crowsbeak posted:Frankly I hope Bernie does run just because it will be funny watching so called voices of the democrats say they're voting Trump. Because he's "sold out" and they need to "send a message", yes. Also shut the gently caress up you nazi propaganda spewing poo poo head.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:59
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icantfindaname posted:The idea that not all politicians or parties have as much contempt for their own voters as elite liberals do for theirs, or that maybe such contempt is a bad strategy in purely electoral terms, is utterly alien to some people
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icantfindaname posted:I'm saying that the hostility to Russia was a tenuously held conviction and a holdover from decades prior, and that the seeds of a friendly attitude towards Russia based on their shared far-right ideology and whiteness, were deeply rooted and existed for a long time. Negative 47 approval ratings is not a tenuously held belief you dense mother fucker.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well democratic votvers are not republican voters. YOu see Iknow you'd like to be a republican, but you can't treat democratic voters like poo poo then expect votes. Perhaps you should be a Republican. That way you can read all of Breitbart, not just the parts about Hillary, Obama and the dem leadership that is totally trustworthy and you feel the need to keep spreading. Until then, shut the gently caress up you nazi propaganda spewing little poo poo. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Which you still can't give even a ballpark equivalent of the dems ever doing. Best you have being saying that America is capitalist.
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Crowsbeak posted:I have never quoted Breitbart. Now you on the other hand spread Breitbart propaganda about Ellison. Please explain why you like your taxes so low and people without healthcare. Why was Ellison spreading Breitbart propaganda about himself by saying that he once supported the Nation of Islam? And when have you ever not quoted Breitbart about how the primary was rigged, Hillary is corrupt and evil, Dem leadership doesn't care about working people and hates their base? Stop spreading nazi propaganda you little poo poo.
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The Kingfish posted:"Elite liberals" couldn't even give the grassroots a DNC Chairman they wanted. A position that both sides admitted was purely symbolic. Name one thing they could have done more to compromise more than they did that wouldn't be giving in completely.
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Crowsbeak posted:So wait Hillary wasn't being corrupt by allowing poor Haitians to suffer by preventing them from getting minimum wage? Is wanting Haitians to get a minimum wage make someone a Nazi? Also why did what Ellison once did along time ago mean you hated him? That frankly is racist. Haitians got a 72% increase to minimum wage you delusional piece of poo poo. It says a lot about how deeply you care about them and weren't just using it exactly as Breitbart does, as a cud gel against Hillary for being a bitch, that you didn't even know that.
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Crowsbeak posted:They still didn't get what they desperately needed. Also I feel bad for anyone who has to work in a sweatshop that is told to suffer further for the benefit of a imperialist power. Its to bad that you think its a good thing they stare only slightly less. But then that's sociopathy. According to you what they need is to all die for taking American jobs. And you seem to think you can accuse anyone else of being a sociopath.
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Crowsbeak posted:So wait you support comapnies destroying Haitian workers jobs if suddenly they only make 900% Profits not 958%? Remember how Haiti totally had a way to force companies to stay in Haiti and not just move, destroying the economy?
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RasperFat posted:Remember how it's totally cost effective to just abandon your factories and trained workers? You honestly think these were skilled workers in a specialized factory? Crowsbeak posted:And that isa baf thing. A country should adopt China's policy so it can start using the technology that the companies use. Speaks volumes of what you genuinely care about that you immediately switch to another talking point you got off Breitbart when you realise context makes it not an effective attack against Hillary.
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And we're right back to "How dare they think they can tell us the truth? gently caress them forever!" The great unforgivable sin of the Democrats gravest insult to their base is respecting them enough to be honest. And I too remember when the Obama administration refused to engage over HB2 , and how leftists said that the Dems were too focused on workers and refused to do anything on lgbt issues.
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icantfindaname posted:yeah, lol i remember people on this very forum arguing months ago that DADT was actually a good thing and if you aren't grateful for it you're a traitor and may as well be a Republican Yes, it was quite bad that the totally for real order on 100% open service by gay soldiers was overturned for DADT. All those gay soldiers who had 100% protection from getting discharged just for being gay sure was a thing. Or are you saying it's bad that lgbt people were allowed to serve at all, and we should have not made any progress?
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VitalSigns posted:But "the truth" about gay people is "gay people are the same as everyone else and deserve the same treatment and the same rights and privileges as anyone else". You know, you can keep pretending Republicans don't exist, but that doesn't mean were going to forget about them. You keep confusing "this is the best that we can give you right now" with "this is exactly what we always intended to give you and we don't think you deserve any better". You aren't acknowledging any of the things that exist that form any form of blockade against these ideas, just acting as if Dems can magically wave a wand and enact anything they want instantly, and the only reason they don't is cause they're big meanies who hate you. It's almost as bad as the way icantfindaname is a disingenuous piece of poo poo who refuses to acknowledge anything of the reality about the protections for gay soldiers before DADT (I. E. loving none of any description whatsoever) and pretends that the military was a nonstop pride parade beforehand.
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Crowsbeak posted:"HOW DARE THE BASE EXPECT US TO KEEP OUR PROMISES" And it's good to know "doing what you can" is cowardice. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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And right on time we have the nazi propaganda spewer giving full credit for civil rights advances to Republicans. Wanna follow it up with "Lincoln was a Republican" next?
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Frijolero posted:Smug personified See? Leftists will actively go looking for literally anything, including the platform not broadcasting their own presidents failures, as a reason to not support the Dems. And you still have the gall to still claim they don't do enough to try and appease you.
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VitalSigns posted:No it's a pretty good analogy. Show me quote containing the words "Gay marriage should and will never happen". Do it. Don't repost Dems saying their personal view is that marriage is between a man and a woman, because that's just thought policing absent any active attempt to stop it. The Dems have been defined as the party who think you don't legislate according to your personal feelings on an issue but what the facts state, and you're attempting to claim that dem personal beliefs completely overrode that tendency and that they fought against gay marriage.
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Frijolero posted:Hey rear end in a top hat. (R) wants a ground war in loving both and to tear up any progress made diplomatically with Iran and pretend they have nuclear weapons. And you are trying to pretend they are even close to equivalent? You realize how stupid, short-sighted, inflammatory, and insulting that is?
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Kilroy posted:JeffersonClay and Fulchrum have got to be the most effective advocates against the Democratic party I've ever heard of. I think I'd rather vote straight-ticket socialist for the rest of my miserable life and just let the GOP rule supreme forever, if it meant I wouldn't have to make the same mark on ballot as either of these two. For gently caress's sake - you're both just awful people, each in your own way. So you want the whole world to burn just to spite liberals. If I were as evil as you, I believe this is where I'm supposed to say, welcome to the Republican party.
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Frijolero posted:What does that even mean though? "The facts state" But they're both "hawkish" and acknowledge the official position of the government of Iran (true or loving false, the government of Iran officially denies the holocaust?), and the dems were lied to about Iraq. Oh no, clearly they're the exact same. They are only similar if you lose all perspective whatsoever and go with a binary pick of either er super isolationist or literally Hitler. Which is all kinds of insane. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Frijolero posted:Nice godwin. quote:Also did you ignore this gem: You mean that I'd Iran breaks the treaty in a way that requires direct and immediate action, they'd take direct and immediate action? Butchers!!! Newsflash - Iran having nukes is not good! You loving moron! The difference, because I know that your brain can't grasp this, is that Dems would do it as a last resort, while Republicans have it just for its own sake. But you think that because neither side refuses to even consider action under any circumstances ever, they're the same. quote:Also, did you forget the Iraq War? Despot Saddam Hussein was stabilizing Iraq. We went in and hosed the whole thing up. Despot Qaddafi had one of the highest standards of living in Africa. Now Libya is in crisis.
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VitalSigns posted:Oh gently caress here we go. Finish the platform in a way that isn't just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. "If Iran races to obtain a nuclear weapon, we will ________" Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Frijolero posted:You sure love your terrible reductive hypotheticals. Here's some nuance for you: A fundamental stability and rational government that Iran has not demonstrated. If you couldn't get Iran and Israel to the table before Iran gets a nuke, why in the gently caress would you think you could get them to the table after? The only reason why this would occur and Iran would knowingly work to obtain nuclear weapons after the sanctions were lifted was if they were running full tilt at a loving end game situation. Why in the gently caress would that be your cue that they want to talk peace?
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