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Will Perez force the dems left? This poll is closed.
Yes	33	6.38%
No	343	66.34%
Keith Ellison	54	10.44%
Pete Buttigieg	71	13.73%
Jehmu Green	16	3.09%
Total:	416 votes

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Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Oh my god.

Fulcrum how do you think the war in Iraq went

Do you think Saddam actually had WMDs and used them regularly? Like, we saw him do it?

Also, at what point did OIF involve bombing airports and that's it?

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Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Okay, let me try to make this simple.

Saddam didn't have chemical goddamn weapons and didn't use them. Assad does and did.

Also blowing up a runway is not the same as trying to occupy a country.

Are you caught up to speed on the subtle nuanced differences yet?

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 13:00

Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Agnosticnixie posted:

Bombing airports is where it started.

No it didn't you idiot, it started with doctoring reports to claim they had chemical weapons. So unless you're saying all those dead Syrian kids are just faking (which is pretty in line for one of you cretins), is not going to happen here.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 13:04

Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Majorian posted:

This is also a really dumb argument, though. The question isn't whether or not the chemical weapons attacks were obscenely evil - they were. Everyone here knows that. The question is whether or not the U.S. can cause any positive change to happen in Syria through military intervention going forward. All available evidence suggests no, we will not make things better by intervening.

The U.S. helped cause this conflict by (further) destabilizing the region in '03 through a terribly ill-considered military campaign. Another terribly ill-considered military campaign is not going to cause fewer Syrian civilians to die.

How does forcing the grounding of Syrian planes, i.e. the only relevant part to their goddamn hateboner for Hillary, lead to destabilizing the region if there isn't a commitment of ground troops to force Assad out? Minimizing the atrocities he can do to his own people doesn't tip the power balance in any significant way.

You seem to be assuming that any action that America takes whatsoever will always lead to the complete collapse of political order.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 21:14

Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

steinrokkan posted:

"Force the grounding of S planes"

Syria is already flying sorties from the "destroyed" air base, and the attack gave Russia a pretense to deploy more AA batteries in the country. The arguments used against Hillary that her eminently retarded no fly zone fetish would just backfire and make situation in the country WORSE by not affecting the enemy capabilities, and in fact bolstering both their resolve, and their defenses, have been already proven right.

So what you are saying is that if someone does something badly, it proves that the core idea itself is wrong.

So given your arguments that Hillary ran wrong on leftist economic policy, that's proven dead and wrong, and should be abandoned?

# ¿ Apr 8, 2017 22:28

Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

steinrokkan posted:

This idea is not just poorly implemented, it is most importantly morally corrupt, plus incapable of achieving its supposed goals, being obviously designed to help the architect's domestic standing at the expense of the target country, and remains so irrespective of who champions it. Also Hillary didn't run on leftist policies, but you know that very well already, and you are just trying to annoy people.

Ah yes of course, it didn't count because of REASONS!

And an attempt to frame intervening to stop genocidal tactics as morally corrupt, very nice.

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Fulchrum: Apr 16, 2013; by R. Guyovich

magnavox space odyssey posted:

"Prove to me why this is different than the other thing"
"Reasons"
"Oh yes you think you're so clever arguing like this, using reasons as justification "

No, that was in regards to Hillary not having an economically leftist policy, a claim all of you are utterly wed to because it's your only defense in a clash of ideology and reality.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2017 00:03

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