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Arri posted:What right does the US even have to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons? We are literally the only country in the world that has used them, against a civilian populace no less, so I don't really see where we would have the moral authority to tell someone else no. US isn’t especially worried about Iran getting nukes. Their reactors are sealed by the IAEA and their capability to enrich fissile material is especially limited. They don’t have anything resembling Oak Ridge there. Uranium is especially difficult to enrich to weapons grade (see why the Manhattan project switched to Plutonium early on), and none of the material they produced so far is close to weapons grade. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand... Dead Cosmonaut fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Bernie couldn't come close to beating Hillary, and Hillary lost to Trump. By what logic could you see that working well at all? There’s no point in defending a primary system that does not reflect the voting map of national elections.
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The Democrats can't win with just their own base. Let people outside the party have a say on who gets elected. The piss poor voter turnout during the primary was the first real sign of trouble for the Democrats.
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It’s easy to say in retrospect that Sanders didn’t stand a chance against someone who was basically on the campaign trail for the last 10 years out of some hubris to secure the WH.
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JeffersonClay posted:Think about it like this. The white working class voters who supported obama had, as a group, a nonzero level of racial resentment. Some had more racial resentment than others. If 25% of them switched from Obama to trump, it makes sense that the ones with the most racial resentment would be heavily represented in this group, because Trump was making direct appeals to that resentment in a way that previous GOP candidates had not. I don’t think any rust belt worker was thinking about anything other than how they were going they were going to pay their bills for that month. They might even sometimes wonder about why things went south (literally) over the last three decades. Trump had a coherent message for them. Hillary did not. Trump’s, or even Hillary’s, views on race was at the bottom of their respective priority lists. Groups like BLM remained largely ignored except when they forcibly seized the stage.
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JeffersonClay posted:We certainly know racial resentment was a significant predictor of Trump support., and that effect was significantly more pronounced than in 2012. quote:Moreover, Hillary Clinton moved to the left of Obama in both her rhetoric and policies on race-related issues in order to retain support from a coalition increasingly comprised of minorities and racially progressive whites. Democrats’ growing racial liberalism in 2016 may have accelerated defections from the party among racially resentful whites. literally fake news
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Majorian posted:Tbf, it does specify that Clinton moved to the left of Obama on race-related issues, which is something one could argue. It probably energized a lot of white racists to vote for Trump. The problem with JC's argument is that there isn't much evidence that this is what decisively caused those strategically vital former-Obama-voting blue collar white workers to leave the Democratic Party for Trump. There’s no 11 dimensional chess going on that allows Rustbelt voters voted for Obama because he would galvanize the racists and then turn around and vote for Trump for the same reasons. A far more probable cause is that the extremely wealthy and liberal elite were asleep at the wheel. Quite frankly these voters can easily be won back, if you are willing to have them again.
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Were Trump's positions even that unique? I mean other than running independent Ross Perot pretty much said and was accused of the same poo poo.
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Brainiac Five posted:I really don't know how someone can say "these policies will benefit all people in the Rust Belt" and simultaneously insist they're not using "a rising tide lifts all boats" rhetoric. Trump told rust belt voters that the wealthy global liberal elite hosed them over. What did Clinton have to say?
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