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evilweasel posted:Yeah that is basically it. It's not a health care plan. Its a "politically, how do we tick the box that says 'repealed obamacare'" plan. Bill seems to be really pissing off the True Believers at least
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Mar 7, 2017 22:51
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evilweasel posted:They're being very loud about being pissed off, but I don't know that the "moderates" are any less pissed off about $600b in medicaid cuts and the replacement being garbage. But I think they'd rather the True Believers sink the ship first. Not a surprise that they have to do a bit more of a PR hedge than the Tea Party bomb throwers I guess.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:16
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Am I misremembering or is medical debt/bankruptcy somehow classified differently when compared to normal debt now? Would be even more of an incentive to just sorta roll the dice on a medical bankruptcy happening to you as a young person rather than pay out the rear end for garbage insurance. And if you develop some horrible condition that is slow enough to allow you to get insurance before you get care you only pay a 30% penalty for a year!
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Mar 8, 2017 19:23
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Actually, healthcare isn't about money at all. You're being very crass by even bringing money into the equation. Christ what an artful dodge on the question. "Actually cost doesn't matter at all." Without actually saying it of course, because that would be suicidal.
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Mar 9, 2017 16:22
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Christ from the "uhhhh the very concept of insurance is waaaayyyy too collectivist for us" comment from a few days ago to this I don't even know where to begin with Paul Ryan
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Mar 12, 2017 17:57
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The source is John Miller, who looks suspiciously like Trump but wearing Groucho Marx glasses. Could it be...? Nahhhhh.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:33
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evilweasel posted:Ryan has smelled Trump's imminent "this stupid idea is all Ryan's fault and it's all his fault it sucks" plan: Ahhh yessss the Kiss of Judas Tear yourselves apart you depraved jackals Hieronymous Alloy posted:I would expect that local companies would be bought out or just technically change their official state of business to [Delaware] or wherever has the lowest regulations. B-b-but then states couldn't dictate their own laws for medical care!  BIG GOVERNMENT!!! STATES RIGHTS!!!
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Mar 15, 2017 16:43
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Christ the GOP just. cannot. govern. I really wonder if trying to pass their vampiric tax cuts is gonna go down like the healthcare bill at this point. Or will it be a lot easier to thread the needle between the "oh well shucks I'm evil but not that evil" Republicans and frothing Teahadist lunatics when something more abstract than healthcare is on the line?
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Badger of Basra posted:The changes are here, folks! http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-bill-changes-236278 This is continuing to look more and more like a game of "I didn't kill the bill, you guys did!" hot potato among GOP lawmakers/politicians.
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Mar 21, 2017 00:34
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Phase 2 and 3 will fix this bill so good; you won't believe it!
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Mar 21, 2017 00:42
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tekz posted:It'd be great if there was a party like this on the side pushing for UHC. We will use the splintered bones of our enemies to write the Universal Healthcare Legislation IN BLOOD!!!
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Mar 21, 2017 15:03
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Man, I wonder how things would have been different for the ACA if they had managed to get the public option through. Feel like it would have been a much, much bigger step towards reasonable healthcare if that hadn't been cut from the bill. Wouldn't magically solve all its problems or anything but.... fuckin' Lieberman
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Mar 21, 2017 18:18
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Yessss ha ha ha. I'll hold my unrestrained glee until it actually DOESN'T clear the House, though. Also this is putting into stark relief how loving evil/vampiric the HFC is ha ha ha
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evilweasel posted:lol the freedom caucus keeps on giving They're bugeyed blood-crazed inhuman maniacs lol
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Thank god they're so stupid and inflexible In, like, very specific cases.
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Mar 23, 2017 20:03
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It's just bleeding support the longer it goes without a vote. Should've tried to ram it through in the dead of night or something I guess? eat poo poo Paul Ryan you Ayn Rand fanboy weasel
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Hold the vote you slippery bastards ha ha ha
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Mar 24, 2017 19:26
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Once again the Frankenstein's Monster of the GOP, the Tea Party, rises up from its electrified bed and immediately strangles its creator while calling them "a loving RINO" "Step aside and let me get in on this action" says Trumpenstein in the background, impatiently tapping his foot.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:36
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evilweasel posted:Honestly at this point I think it's more moderate defections sinking this than the HFC. Lots of Republicans relied on never having to explain their votes to their constituents because they wouldn't matter. Without the HFC I feel like it would have never gotten to this point though. They might have been able to squeak it by without so much drama and people noticing what is actually in the bill. Well at least through the House anyways. Listening to the GOP legislators talk about this on the floor- eternal question- stupid or evil? Both??
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evilweasel posted:The HFC did force it to the right so that it lost the moderates, yeah - but the moderates killed the original "repeal, replace later" plan which set the stage for this. True- I wonder if they ever had that much of a chance of threading this piece of poo poo through the outhouse seathole. Anything less than full repeal won't satisfy the HFC and anything cruel enough for the HFC to consider will lose moderates if their constituents are paying attention.
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Mar 24, 2017 20:03
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So if they vote and it's essentially doomed to fail who but the most deranged right-wing lunatic in the safest, reddest district would actually vote for this death sentence?
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Mar 24, 2017 20:25
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Arrrrgh vote blueballed! You filthy cowards!
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Mar 24, 2017 20:38
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evilweasel posted:good news Oh my god so if he doesn't try again on this obviously doomed venture they're possibly going to fight him on everything else he tries to do
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Mar 24, 2017 20:57
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If only they had actually been working on a replacement for the 7 years they were bitching about Obamacare and holding masturbatory votes to repeal that were guaranteed to go nowhere instead of making GBS threads out this half-baked hackjob then maybe they could have passed something. They deserve this; all of it. Hell they deserve more but let's be thankful they fell on their face and balls somehow simultaneously like this.
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Mar 24, 2017 22:16
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The hate for OBAMA!care is much too strong for this to simply lay down and die I guess. Sorry people in Red States if this somehow passesquote:This is the core set of medical services that the Affordable Care Act requires all insurers to cover, including things like doctor trips, hospital stays, maternity care, and mental health services. I wonder how many rubes they'll be able to get on board with "WHY I GOTS TA PAY FER WIMMENFOLK DOCTOR I AINT HAVIN NO BABIES!!!!"
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evilweasel posted:To be clear literally zero moderates who opposed Healthcaremageddon 1.0 have indicated their support for Healthcaremageddon 2.0. Public opinion has gotten even less favorable towards Healthcaremageddon 1.0 since its death. Despite that, Trump wants v. 2.0 passed by next week. On top of that the Tortilla Coast Teahadists (tm) now know that Trump will fold like a cheap suit
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The GOP healthcare plan: deathiscertainwizard.png
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I've yet to see any indications that they can thread the needle between the HFC and the sane-by-contrast GOP House reps.
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Will moderates really want to give support to something that seems to be doomed to fail? All of the negative attention for signing your approval of murder via denial of healthcare and then it can't actually pass anyway? Where's the upside there exactly other than proving your loyalty to the national-level GOP machinery? I have constructed a crude Paul Ryan voodoo doll and have lashed it to one of the subframe braces under my car; hope that decreases the chances of this passing the House
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May 2, 2017 17:55
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I'm surprised that the "at the end of the day, preventing healthcare access is basically murder" angle hasn't been played more. Maybe I haven;t been paying enough attention to the Democrats?
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evilweasel posted:Doesn't play as well as "you, voter right there, they are going to take away your healthcare". They take the murder angle too and play up how many deaths that will cause, but those are faceless statistics to many people. Their personal heath care, their mom's, etc, that's not faceless. Yeah I guess that's true. Frustrating, but true. *gasp* "I... I never thought Leopards would Eat My Face!" axeil posted:I mean maybe some day they'll realize that ACA is the most conservative UHC you can get while not having people dying on the streets and work to improve it? This is a really annoying component of the almost-decade-long conservative wankfest surrounding the ACA. It's the Heritage Foundation plan from the 90's. It's RomneyCare. It is also a COUNTRY-DESTROYING SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE! FROM HELL! *rending shirt in twain* OBAMAAAAAAAAA Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 2, 2017 |
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They kinda spun up this effort a little more quickly and managed to keep it a little more under the radar and didn't give everyone weeks to find out it was terrible and tear it apart; that probably helped. I hope any R in a vulnerable district who votes for this gets loving atomized come election time.
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Paracaidas posted:http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=11545 Was sorting my parent's mail for them while they were away and came across a mailer from these assholes marketing themselves as "a conservative alternative to the AARP". If we're going by Dante's Inferno rules these people would land somewhere in the Eighth Circle I think
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May 4, 2017 15:40
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Welp, was hoping Paul Ryan would get utterly embarrassed again but I guess it's heading to the Senate where it'll die or get amended and returned to the House at which point the HFC will probably throw a tantrum because the bill no longer has provisions for converting the poor and sick into a crude biofuel anymore Once again I hope people are keeping track of who signed away their healthcare while explicitly keeping the protections for themselves
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May 4, 2017 19:28
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Yeah Nursing is a stressful job but on the other hand it's relatively accessible and pays relatively well.
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May 5, 2017 16:14
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BarbarianElephant posted:You are certainly stretching the definition of "easy" there. I'd rather code Java 8 hours a day in a comfy chair next to a coffee maker, than be on my feet all day being screamed at by people who are scared and in pain, and having to touch icky things all the time. I... literally said it was stressful? Didn't mean to imply that it's in any way "easy"
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May 5, 2017 16:33
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Have there been any indications whatsoever about how the HFC freaks are going to respond to whatever the Senate kicks back to them? Probably too early to really say anything...
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Democrats being a bunch of spineless losers who probably don't really give a poo poo about anything but giving their donors handjobs? Naaaahhhhhhhhhhh
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