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WASHINGTON, DC (September 10, 2013)—Medicaid paid for 45 percent of the 4 million births in the United States in 2010, an amount that has been rising over time

Craptacular! posted:

If anything it contributes to the right's "poor people are having bunches of kids so they can support themselves on the programs designed for those kids welfare" narrative.

evilweasel posted:

I believe that is all funding they're taking away from planned parenthood.

VitalSigns posted:

This is incredible.

I still can't believe "we have a secret healthcare plan, whatever it is you want, that's exactly it" loving worked for 6 years

haveblue posted:

Also because people consistently rate all of Congress as a whole as trash but their personal representative as the good one.

evilweasel posted:

GOD BLESS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS

On Terra Firma posted:

if they pass this bill in it's current form and it goes into law there's a good chance my family will go bankrupt paying for my brothers seizure medications because he can only find part time work and he's 27 years old. Either that or he just dies.

The Phlegmatist posted:

An untested state-only single-payer system was just too risky.

TyrantWD posted:

For people who can afford it, you can get incredible healthcare in state of the art facilities, and often with no wait time. 11 of the 12 best hospitals in the world are in the US. For people who have great insurance, live in a big city, and enough money to not blink an eye at their deductible, there is no better place in the world to need medical care.

SousaphoneColossus posted:

Yes they should but pretending it's some brilliant winning electoral strategy is dumb

Confounding Factor posted:

If Bernie or another Democrat that campaigns heavily around Medicare for everyone, they get elected, what could they do about getting the votes necessary to get that bill passed? If Bernie was president now, and lets say the bill gets passed in a Democratic majority House but the Senate is composed the way it is today, there's no way that bill would be passed.

It'll be worthless to get Bernie in if he doesn't have a majority of Democrats that would vote for the bills he wants passed. Am I missing something?

Badger of Basra posted:

Xae posted:

It polls really poorly when you start looking at potential policies.

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MEDICARE BUY-IN FOR ALL

“Give all Americans the choice of buying health insurance through Medicare or private insurers, which would provide competition for insurance companies and more options for consumers.”

71% Support
13% Oppose
14% Neutral

Percent supporting by party

77% Democrat
63% Republican
71% Independent

Majorian posted:

So I don't understand this argument that the Democrats can't make big promises with regard to health care, lest they suffer from it politically. People vote candidates with pie-in-the-sky overpromising into power all the time.

Xae posted:

Those are still vague.

Will their Medicare be subsidized like current members? If so are people willing to pay more taxes for it?

If they aren't subsidized are people still interested in giving a public option that is ~1000+ per person per month?

The more specific you get the more support with drop.

Brainiac Five posted:

So, uh, Brown v. Board was wrong, given that it was imposing desegregation against the desires of a majority of the population? I think you should probably back off a little.

Brainiac Five posted:

He said that government must represent the popular will. I know that you are incapable of thinking in terms of ideas and of applying a principle to different situations, but there are lurkers whose minds you might poison with your stupidity.

Ze Pollack posted:

The Democratic Party that based its healthcare strategy- the sole major policy achievement of said party in the last eight years, through not entirely their own fault- around the premise popular opinion would have no influence on policy going forward has lost over one thousand seats in the last ten years, and as a result has zero voice in healthcare policy for at least the next eighteen months, more likely the next forty-two.

Evidence provided.

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Republicans are now in control of a record 67 (68 percent) of the 98 partisan state legislative chambers in the nation, more than twice the number (31) in which Democrats have a majority, according to the bipartisan National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL).

“That’s more than at any other time in the history of the Republican Party,” according to NCSL. “They also hold more total seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920.”

Next year, the GOP will control both legislative chambers in 32 states - an all-time high, according to NCSL - while Democrats will have total control of just 13 state legislatures.

In 24 of the 32 states with Republican-controlled legislatures, voters have also elected Republican governors. In contrast, Democrats have a “political trifecta” in just six states.

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Overall, Sabato wrote, Democrats during Obama’s presidency lost 11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and 913 state legislative seats and 30 state legislative chambers. (Our analysis of legislative seats is off from Sabato’s by three. The small discrepancy is likely due to run-offs and recounts.)

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Brainiac Five posted:

Brainiac Five posted:

Ah, you're starting to retreat.

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Why don't you elaborate on when it's okay to ignore the popular will and when it's not? I'm sure it won't be obviously ex post facto and ad hoc.

Brainiac Five posted:

Okay, so why exactly are we talking about popular will when it's totally loving irrelevant then? It's almost as if you guys are either 1) really loving stupid or 2) desperately want to be able to ditch "identity politics".

Queering Wheel posted:

Everyone who voted for this bill today is a murderer.

bawfuls posted:

So is this shitheap going to pass the Senate or what?

Rad Valtar posted:

What I'm trying to say is gently caress those assholes I hope they all die a horrible fiery death.

Sloober posted:

Theres so much hatred for gop among most lefties i know its crazy. I hope it continues. I thought id get rage fatigue but so far i continue to just get more pissed.

BlueberryCanary posted:

They absolutely believe what they are doing is right and best for the nation and themselves.

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On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor, Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the US Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum titled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist, anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America for the chamber.[13][14] It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, "Unsafe at Any Speed," put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement. Powell saw it as an undermining of Americans' faith in enterprise and another step in the slippery slope of socialism. [...]

The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It sparked wealthy heirs of earlier American Industrialists [...] to use their private charitable foundations, [...] to fund Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimalist government-regulated America as it had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.

The Powell Memorandum thus became the blueprint of the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as well as inspiring the US Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.[15][16]

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The bill does not include detailed language about how the state would come up with [...] dollars [...] for health care coverage for nearly 40 million residents.

SB 562 would have to return to the Senate floor for another vote if it is amended in the Assembly with a funding plan. If that happens, the bill would require a two-thirds majority in each house to advance to the governor’s desk. In its current form, the bill only required a majority vote to pass.

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“We are not debating single payer today because we are not debating a funding source,” Hueso said. “We are not debating delivery of service. We are not debating where the health savings will come from. None of that is in the bill. This is the Senate kicking the can down the road to the Assembly and asking the Assembly to fill in all the rest of the blanks.”

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Spiritus Nox posted:

I'm really tired of people declaring that the problem is dems abiding by the rules and not that a huge portion of the electorate is actively evil.

The Phlegmatist posted:

because he had the wrong politics

TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:

-a Republican, talking about abortion

but but buruttt~~~~~~~~~~ it's different ~~~~~~~~

Peachfart posted:

The people on the left who are focused on purity are also the same sort to say 'Well, just implement UBI, easy!' and 'Just do Medicare-for-all, easy!' and will usually freak out at any suggestion that an actual plan is made for anything.

Peachfart posted:

I guess I just want a strong left vision with a solidly reviewed and researched plan behind it.

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Going full 'populist' is what made the GOP the dumpster fire that it is today.(and yes I know that their policies aren't populist, but their 'know-nothing' approach is)

EugeneJ posted:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908413134196572161

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The U.S. actually does have the most progressive income tax system in the world.

LeeMajors posted:

loving stunning how expensive healthcare is here.