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Krauss embezzled his father's money and threw it away at scams. Genius he ain't.
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Rodyle posted:Krauss is the coolest and strongest sibling, and after his victory over 🐐 I can't believe y'all are doubting him. I'm not going to doubt his ability as a physical powerhouse and a father, stern and strict as he might be. I am, however, going to doubt his complete inability to not be a total loving tool. DON'T SIGN OVER YOUR POWER OF ATTORNEY. Oh dear, imagine if he was the one to survive the slaughter instead of Eva. There wouldn't be any more money to torture Ange with.
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bman in 2288 posted:I'm not going to doubt his ability as a physical powerhouse and a father, stern and strict as he might be. So if this scene was real and the Ange stuff was real (admittedly some pretty big ifs), then that means the gold must also have been real. Because Eva wasn't living in a gutter somewhere after someone came by to call in Krauss's debts. Also, I imagine that some of the totally legitimate businesspeople that he borrowed money from/gave Rokkenjima to were Sumaderas. Because they look trustworthy and understanding and forgiving, right?
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Krauss accidentally killed everyone after they found out about his business ventures, causing whoever heard them to either die from laughter or rage at the incompetence. He had no choice but to shoot them with shotguns after the fact to make it seem like he meant to kill them.
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Sounds like Krauss is trying to use excessively risky business tactics to try and make poo poo loads of money like the young Kinzo did since he wants to be just like Kinzo. Problem is that he's a washed up daddy's boy who already has a poo poo load of money and is stupidly gambling everything he owns, and doesn't own appropriately. So not only did he gently caress it up but there really was no reason to risk everything for a few million shady yen. Uhh.. yeah he's pretty bad at this, like playing Blackjack always going for 21 and never settling for less, or going all in on every hand of Poker despite already digging into Jessica's college funds. Okay that last one probably actually happened.
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Qrr posted:So if this scene was real and the Ange stuff was real (admittedly some pretty big ifs), then that means the gold must also have been real. Because Eva wasn't living in a gutter somewhere after someone came by to call in Krauss's debts. Eva probably didn't inherit anything from Krauss. She got her money from the stuff Kinzo owned and Krauss didn't have access to (all the stuff in the hidden mansion) and later from the life insurance payouts from everyone else''s deaths.
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Dr Pepper posted:Eva probably didn't inherit anything from Krauss. She got her money from the stuff Kinzo owned and Krauss didn't have access to (all the stuff in the hidden mansion) and later from the life insurance payouts from everyone else''s deaths. I think you're underestimating how much debt Krauss is in and what the kind of people he's borrowing from would do to get their payments. Especially after the mansion that he gave them mysteriously burned down.
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there's just something weird about the entire exchange, it doesn't sound quite like Natsuhi and Krauss, but more a parody of them.
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Qrr posted:I think you're underestimating how much debt Krauss is in and what the kind of people he's borrowing from would do to get their payments. Especially after the mansion that he gave them mysteriously burned down. Eva's friends with Okonogi. I think she has a good handle on those sorts of shady people.
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EP5 was released 15 August 2009 at Comiket 76 and, at the same time, one of the TIPS called Arigato for 556. Yes, spelled exactly like that. This one later got the Tsubasa treatment but, honestly, I feel like it was somehow an even lazier job than the usual Tsubasa chapters. I'm not going to bother linking the music here because most of it is tracks we've yet to even hear. This has until now been the only TIP that's been fully available in Japanese yet remained untranslated. After translating it with a little help from my witch friends, I can kind of see why. ---------------------   In '68, the Minister of Defense urged domestic military magic manufacturers to submit design documents for a new type of magical soldiers for the Imperial Guard that could operate under the following specifications. These specifications were referred to as the 3F Project, and the three F's to be achieved were namely First Detection, First Shot and First Kill. Moreover, emphasis was placed on qualities such as streamlined maintenance, operation and deployment in order to provide convenience for the one giving the orders. Eventually, two well-established companies, RAC and Chiester, offered to design this new model of a magical life form and submitted their respective design documents. RAC made impressive changes to the traditional M-Series model based on the Imperial Guard specifications, putting emphasis on the fighting strength so as to not tarnish the name of the Dragon King Pendragon's Imperial Guards. In order to implement the three F's, the model was made to specialize in overwhelming and independent offensive capabilities, being fitted with a tremendous capacity for onboard weaponry. As such, the model was to be capable of heavy firefighting even as a single unit and, at least based on the manual specs, a magical life form of such heavy firepower that it had the potential to rewrite the entire history of weapons. The Ministers were so taken with the terms 'single unit' and 'heavy firepower' that they very nearly gave a tentative offer to adopt the M-Series model just before the end of the selection process. On the other hand, Chiester had instead decided to emphasize quick maintenance, operation and deployment. Contrary to RAC's M-Series, the company proposed a Chiester Series model that was inexpensive, robust, mass-producible and fast to deploy. To satisfy the 3 F's, single-unit implementation plans were abandoned at early stages. The Chiester Series models were implemented with individual specialized abilities and were used coordination in order to cover matters of tactics. Although the argument for the implementation was sound, government officials were under the impression that the Minister's intention was to have guardsmen worthy of the Dragon King Pendragon's personal Imperial Guard, and so the Chister Series was not initially considered at all. That decision was about to be gradually overturned, however, as the state of military equipment in the Heaven, the spirit world and so on was facing changes. The spirit world, feared as the greatest military power at the time, had claimed overwhelming saturation attacks as their forte. However, another major player seeking to even out the military balance, the Heaven, rewrote military history in '71 by succesfully constructing the Spirit Particle Combat System. The system would utterly suppress any kind of brute-force type attacks reliant solely on military strength, budgets and resources. With this, the figure of a lone heavily armed hero soldier, as the epics of old used to depict and children used to aspire towards, had become nothing but the stuff of ancient fairy tales. Chiester had been quick to react to this turn of events and decided to add anti-Spirit Particle Combat capabilities to the Chiester Series. Thus did the most prominent feature of the Chiester Series, nicknamed "Rabbit Ears", come to life. Unlike the more traditional type of hardpoint equipment model utilized by RAC's M-Series, their armament was developed as a rapid-deployment extradimensional weapon rack in specific response to Spirit Particle Combat. Also in direct contrast with the M-Series, it sacrificed onboard equipment capacity in favor of specializing in stealth. Thanks to the efforts of Chiester lobbyists, the Minister of Defense made a substantial policy change in the same year and declared anti-Spirit Particle Combat measures to be of the utmost importance for the 3F Project. And so, the Chiester Series which had been previously completely overlooked stepped into the limelight in a single stroke... This was how the Chiester Series by Chiester Corporation won the honor of being named the Memorial Order, formed in commemoration of the Flight of the Red Dragon. So were born the Chiester Sisters who were the first Imperial Guards to go against the conventional idea of the Guard consisting of independent heavily armed soldiers. As such, there were still conservative government officials and other stragglers who failed to grasp the concept of Spirit Particle Combat and saw the Sisters as nothing but cheap, inefficient and unfitting for His Majesty the Dragon King, and lambasted them as mere ceremonial soldiers, going so far as to call them dolls. However, the design of individual units being dedicated exclusively to specialization allows for both a low cost manufacturing as well as a rapid operation and deployment of specialist units. It eventually became clear that by organizing the specialized soldiers on a mission basis according to their respective abilities, they could be used to deal with a wide variety of tasks. These individual abilities were a far cry from those that had belonged to the other heroic and heavily armed Imperial Guard soldiers. However, this squad of Sisters, formed of specialized soldiers with their own areas of expertise, excelled in their results in this new era of warfare with every battle they fought. The word "Sisters" in Chiester Sisters Imperial Guards eloquently speaks to the solidarity among the girls of this combat group...  She was fitted with an excellent firing radar but due to her unique settings she read the measurement results in an analog manner. All modern Spirit Particle Combat is performed based on precise measurements. By all rights, there ought to have been no room for analog ideas to exist. However, the battlefield is analog, not digital. The possibility for unexpected circumstances outside of pure 0's and 1's is always there. Chiester 410 was a prototype specifically designed to excel in grasping that gray area. Early on in her enlistment she was ranked quite low. During practice her skills as a sniper were mediocre at best and her peculiar personality didn't do her any favors either. However, after having been paired with Chiester 45, who specialized in firing calculations, 410 began to distinguish herself in short order. The following year she dramatically blossomed into an excellent field sniper during a proxy war against a certain puppet nation. In just a single week after taking up her post, she had achieved a grand victory against the 34th Automated Giant Squadron, using an armor-piercing sniping bow from a range of 1800 merute to cause decisive damage to two units and to disable one unit's autonomous walking capacity. Her impressive military achievements kept only increasing in count from there on, and a year later she was promoted to senior designated marksman. Her former instructor later reminisced that nothing had ever compared to the surprise of seeing her face at the promotion ceremony. Receiving the Golden Bow, said to be a symbol of honor to snipers, only further nurtured her talents. She was the fastest one ever to climb to the ranks of the elite ten snipers of the Chiester Sisters Imperial Guards... ...is what I've written here. It's nice to think that thanks to 45's excellent support, 410's rare talents were allowed to bloom. As I told them this, giving the credit to both of them, 410 burst into a cackling laughter and told me this...   "410 is always so meean, I'm really trying hard to get exact calculations, don't just ignore them, that's so mean...!!" "45, your calculations are pretty ridiculous, close enough is good enough nyeh." "It's not good enough, lately you've been all over the place...!! And I've been extra careful because you made me so maad!!"Let me write about Chiester 45 as well. 45 was created specifically for the purpose of calculations in Spirit Particle Combat. Calculations are meant to be ruthlessly exact, accurately determining 0's and 1's with no room for error, and then to report the results. However, with her digital-esque measurements, 45 cannot fully interface with units designed in the prewar format. Coupled with her weak and easily intimidated character, she had no confidence in her measurement results. In a manner of speaking, as a measurer she became the lowest of the low. Needless to say, her training record was poor as well, causing her peers in the Imperial Guard to entrust her with nothing but rear surveillance, treating her like baggage. As such, she was paired with 410, another nuisance as a sniper. The idea was clearly to put the troublemakers together. Although, seeing as this pair eventually went on to win significant military victories, you can never know what this world has got in store for you. I struggled for a long time trying to understand how this bizarre duo could be the amazing sniper combination that they are, but I believe I recently came up with a possibility. It's because this pair is driven by 410. Because of her frequent troublemaking and insubordination, she was often paired with people who would keep her in line, high-strung people to monitor her or even senior soldiers. When she received an order from her superiors, 410 wouldn't act entirely on her on own whims but obey the order, however half-heartedly. That way, she was not acting independently. However, 45 wasn't strong-minded enough to keep 410 in check. For the first time, 410 was allowed to act independently and to demonstrate her abilities. ...Can that really be called "acting independently", though? If you ask me, 45's timidness simply lets 410 act as recklessly as she wants... That's why, for a long time, I thought that the secret to unlocking 410's talents had been the fact that she was allowed to do whatever she wanted. That didn't seem to be the case, though. 410 finds teasing 45 to be hilarious and so she likes to intentionally ignore her measurement data and perform difficult, eccentric shots. ...Her marksmanship is truly astounding, much to the astonishment and dismay of 45. It seems that her reactions only serve to add to 410's self-satisfaction, further escalating her behaviour and contributing to her military success. 45 really dislikes being treated like a plaything. She is so meek and uptight that there is no end in sight to her one-sided harassment. This won't be a fair relationship for her. I have petitioned several times, in secret from 410, an alteration to their inappropriate pairing. Nevertheless, since the headquarters are well aware of the military gains this pair brings about, that petition will likely never be accepted... Typically military gains are something for both members of the pair to boast about. However, although 410's eccentric shooting is obviously just showboating of her abilities, there are people who would even call it art. As such, the successes attributed to the two of them are actually often credited to 410 alone. Even 410 herself has spoken of them as her personal achievements... Even as meek as 45 was, she wasn't too happy about that. Shadowed by 410's genius talent, however, she would never say that aloud. ...As their superior officer, I could sense that to be the case, so I adviced 410 to be a little more appreciative and grateful to her partner.  "Without the link from 45 you surely would've failed most of your shots. Shouldn't you show a little more appreciation towards her?" "Nyeh nyeh, 00's started another lecture nyeh."410 stared at me blankly like I was an idiot. I told her that 45 had her fair share of troubles, and a word of thanks from 410 would ease her mind. Looking a little indignant from hearing that, 410 spoke to me.  "00 doesn't get it nyeh... Sure, I act big and boast about the victories, but I've never thought of them as mine alone, the credit always belongs to the two of us nyeh." "...Is that so? Based on your usual talk and behaviour, I wouldn't have imagined you thought of your victories as belong to both of you, though..." "How rude nyeh. 45 is my best partner, I've always thought that and I always will nyeh. Together with 45 we can do anything nyeh! We're the best partners! I'll always want to be paired with her nyeh...!"With the way she was smiling, I couldn't possibly bring myself to reveal to her that I had petitioned a pair change for 45...  "...So you're telling me that you actually really are grateful to 45?" "Of course I am nyeh. She's my partner after all nyeh. It's kinda pissing me off that you keep going on about it nyeh."Rather than being disappointed with her... now I was disappointed in myself. I finally undertood the difference between the two of them. 410 isn't an obedient personality; she likes to exaggerate and twist the things she says. So from an outside perspective, her boasting of her victories seemed like she was talking about her own abilities alone. In actuality though, she understood and appreciated the fact that without 45 none of that would have been possible. She had the highest respect for 45 as a partner and wanted her by her side forever. ...The problem was that her feelings didn't reach 45. 45 thought of herself as incompetent, someone to be derided by 410 and not much more. To her, all of their victories were thanks to 410's talents and if 410 only were paired with a better sister, her military gains would be that much greater... So I told 410 that unless she shows her appreciation with words, it will not be communicated. "I don't wannyeh." "...Why not?" "I appreciate it, thank you, whatever. It's kinda embarrassing, isn't it, to have to say it deliberately, it feels pathetic nyeh. 45 and I are the greatest of partners, so at this point we understand it even without saying...!"The feelings are already shared in form that's too complicated to put into words. Translating the feelings in your heart into words means diluting them. ...Having told me this, she ignored my advice to articulate her gratitude to 45. ...Because I'm blinded in my right eye and therefore inefficient in my specialty, reconnaissance, the final task assigned to me... seems to be keeping this troublesome pair of snipers in line. 410, also aware of the blind spot on my right side, nimbly dodged my emotionally charged slap...  Her specialization was squad fire support. Simply put, she was in charge of the heavy firepower. At the time 410 was well known both domestically and abroad as a charismatic sniper, so putting 556 and her brand new weaponry together with her was thought to be a sure-fire way towards even greater military victories. "Squad fire support? Pretty excessive nyeh." "A-although our pair specializes in long-range firing, we're lacking in the ability to suppress a large enemy force simultaneously closing in at short range... I guess she's supposed to compensate for that..." "Picking off delicious prey from long distance and then vanishing into thin air is our specialty nyeh. Fire support is unnecessary, you dunce nyeh♪"410 was saying that they had no need for a newbie who would only get in the way of their shooting. For 45, who surely thought of herself as a hindrance as well, those words only added to her emotional scars. ...But 410 simply and honestly thought they didn't need an outsider to butt in on the perfect pair that was herself and 410. I understood what was on both of their minds, and the uncomfortable situation made the old scar on my ear act up, making me scratch it. "Do you read me, 556? Are the preparations ready?" "Yes, this is 556, I'm ready. Thank you very much."556 was standing in the outdoors shooting range. It was time for the first demonstration of state-of-the-art weaponry. At a glance, 556 seemed to be on pretty much the same wavelength as 45. She was meek and polite... So just like with 45, her compatibility with 410 would probably not be all that great. "Target, blue target group. 45, commence analysis." "U-understood. Commencing Terrain Analysis and Error Correction. Data Link to 556." "...Nyeh. Come on then, show us what you've got." "Data Link from 45. Target Identified. My thanks. Commencing Attack."556 drew a crude, large lead bow. ...It didn't have even a fraction of the elegance of the golden bow that 410 and 45 used. Firepower is not proportional to elegance, though. In direct contrast to 556's gentle atmosphere, the lead bow spat out a swelling lead serpent towards the ten-odd targets standing in a row and, like a lead serpent would, slithered under the targets as if licking and tasting them and then cut them down sideways, crushing them to tiny pieces. It was nothing like beautifully sniping and piercing the opponent's weak point with a single golden arrow. It was something completely different, a terrifying strike that overwhelms the opponent by engulfing them with dozens if not hundreds of swelling lead arrows. We couldn't help but stand in awe of the merciless offensive power of this new type of weaponry. ...Then I suddenly realized something. This overwhelming firepower would, for certain... set 410's rivalrous heart alight. No doubt about it. And with the same certainty it would end up causing me more headaches, I suppose. ...Never mind about the supposing part... Yep, 410 is picking a fight already. Oh, my poor head... "...Not bad nyeh." "Thank you. It was all thanks to 45's Data Link." "N-not at all... At this distance... 556's firing radar alone would have been plenty to target it..." "But with your data, the firing was successful. Thank you." "...Y-you're... welcome."556 had a calm demeanour and a gentle way of talking. She had another peculiarity to her as well: her tendency to fill her conversations with 'thank yous', indiscriminately expressing her gratitude. Every time she responded to something, she would end her sentence with thanks. "But... it lacks beauty nyeh. There were just 15 targets to pierce and your lead arrows went and tore into them like that. Punching a hole in the middle would've been enough, now each one of them is shredded to pieces." "...Shut it, 410...! Beauty or lack thereof makes no difference in the middle of war. Stop nitpicking 556's shooting." "556, pay her no mind. 410 has a bit of a duplicitous side..." "Not at all, 00. Thank you." "And thanks to you as well, 410. You're right, even in wars such an uncouth way of fighting is unacceptable. Thank you for telling me that."Even when 410 was clearly just looking for something to fault, 556 simply smiled gently and thanked her.  "Were my skills as great as 410 and 45's, I believe I could carry out my missions causing only minimal pain, by piercing exactly what I aim at and avoiding any unnecessary injuries or incidental victims... But all that I can do with my violent shooting is just ruthlessly crush my opponent..." "I believe that mercilessness is inexcusable, even on the battlefield. Thank you for telling me that." "......nyeh..."Despite how hard she was trying to pick a fight, not even 410 could have imagined being thanked like this. Afterwards, when she'd had time to collect herself, she went back to picking fights about various things, with 45 desperately trying to patch things up as she went on. Every single time they would be met with a delightful smile and a response that ended in thanks. These exchanges kept repeating themselves until 410 finally declared "this kid's nickname is now 'thanksie bunny' nyeh" and stormed off. This seemed to completely sour 45's mood. 45 then went after 410 who had walked away sulking.   "...Why do you say thanks so often? Is there a meaning behind it?"A troublemaker like 410, in order to show just how much of a troublemaker she was, unconsciously raised that question. ...For example, like with her tendency to end sentences with 'nyeh'. But the way 556 did not see her as a troublemaker, and like with her insistence on thanking everyone, saw past her words to their literal meaning, was interesting to me. ...That's when 556, for the first time without thanking me, told me something. "I am strong. I even received excellent marks from the Chiester headquarters test team... But none of that is reason to be conceited. I had teammates supporting me from the sidelines so I could get those high marks." "And for that reason I'll be always be thankful for those close friends who supported me." "...I feel like boiling the dirt under my fingernails and making 410 drink it." "But I had some doubts over whether that gratitude was really reaching them." "...Doubts?" "Yes. I am grateful to everyone... But unless I tell it to them, they'll never get to know it if it happens that I don't get to meet them again. They would probably think for the rest of their lives that I wasn't grateful to them, even though I really was." "..." "We are soldiers of the Chiester Sisters Imperial Guard... no, regardless of who we are, there will inevitably and suddenly come a day when two people will be able to talk to each other for the last time." "When that unexpected day comes, even if you thought you'd try to hastily convey all of your piled up gratitude, you can't do it anymore... At that time, how would they feel about me...? I think that... would be sad."There are many countless people that I've felt thankful to. But I haven't told that to anyone. So even if they think that I'm not thankful to them, that is no fault of theirs. "And if the opportunity to clear up that misunderstanding were suddenly lost forever one day... they would forever keep thinking of me as an ungrateful, coldhearted girl, wouldn't they?" "And I would forever keep regretting it, wondering why I never once managed to convey my gratitude. Surely my feelings will eventually be communicated? Using words is boorish? We understand each other so well we don't need words anymore...? I've come to hate things like that." "That's why... I'm always frightened that, whoever I'm with, that meeting might turn out to be our last. Even as I'm talking to you like this, 00, I wonder if today is our last day together... So I'll never again... want to miss an opportunity convey my gratitude... by always adding thank you to whatever I was talking about. So, for listening to this story..." "Thank you."That was indeed... a sad story. If 45 were to suddenly disappear one day... 410 may forever regret that she couldn't communicate her feelings of appreciation to 45. ...45, as well, may be forever wrapped in sadness that 410 never said a single word of thanks to her, despite the fact that 410 really was honestly grateful for 45. "So, that is why I want to thank you too." "...There's no need to thank me." "...Huh?" "As the leader of this squad, I will not leave anyone behind. I won't hear nonsense like that from anyone." "That includes you too, soldier. Throwing around all these thanks, like you're prepared to leave our squad at any time, is incredible disrespectful!" "Anyone who dares to display such cowardice will be severely disciplined, you mark my words. Welcome to the squad...!! You're part of the team now!" "Thank you very much, 00. Chiester 556, reporting for duty."From that day on, the personal guard of Lady Maria had four members...  Thank you, 556 <The end> --------------------- To put this in some context that the fans found out a couple months later, Ryuukishi07's webmaster, editor, debug tool writer as well as his first reader and best friend, BT, had passed away due to an illness on July 10, just a month prior to the release of EP5. In Ryuukishi's words, "I wrote both Higurashi and Umineko because I wanted to surprise him". As a result, he says that he lost the joy of writing but decided to go on because "if I stop writing, it will be as though I never met you... So, I'll grit my teeth and write. As I remember what you taught me." tiistai fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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The personal guard of Maria. Definitely the ceramic rabbits.
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Realizing this is basically Ryuukishi saying good bye to his friend makes it pretty 
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curiousCat posted:The personal guard of Maria. Definitely the ceramic rabbits. Seems to be doubling as those and the rifles.
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The profiles section is finally up.
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556 is ichigo ichie personified.
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Dr Pepper posted:Realizing this is basically Ryuukishi saying good bye to his friend makes it pretty Yeah. I hope he got to say thank you before the end.
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idonotlikepeas posted:Yeah. I hope he got to say thank you before the end. Given that it was an illness, I imagine and hope he did.
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 BGM: Worldend  "...What a wretched-looking face. Wash it. Aren't you the wife of the successor to the Ushiromiya family? You mustn't let the servants see you wear such a shameful expression." "Y, yes, Father... My apologies..."...Natsuhi understood. This was just an illusion, one that Natsuhi had created out of her desire to speak with a memory of Kinzo as he once was. No, that's not it... She believed that just for now, Kinzo's soul had shown itself to her. She was sure that doubting this would cause it to vanish in an instant...  "It seems that at the instant the family headship was passed on, the family has reached a crisis..." "Y, yes, Father... I wasn't able to support my husband... I am truly, very sorry..." "Hmph. The Ushiromiya family is so very cursed. It was in a terrible state when I succeeded the headship too. That makes your suffering seem almost cute in comparison." At the time, he had been nothing more than a single young man from a branch family, far separated from the Ushiromiya main family. The main family might have had honor and tradition, but Kinzo had had nothing to do with that. Then, the principal members of the main family were wiped out in the Great Kanto Earthquake, along with their businesses. On top of that, there had been a complicated antagonism between the members of the family at the time, and the elders were all trying to impose their will on the others in that sinking ship. Because of this, they weren't even able to elect a leader to revive the Ushiromiya family. They then found a common ground and selected Kinzo, a youth with absolutely no ties to any of the opposing elders, to be the head. So the elders hadn't really entrusted Kinzo with the rebuilding of the Ushiromiya family. Kinzo had been nothing more than their puppet, with his arms and legs being pulled in opposite directions...  "...Yes. I know a lot about your days of suffering, Father." "And then the war started. At the time, I was already tired of life. I hoped that I would die on the battlefield, but I wasn't sent to the front lines. However, the state of the war grew worse with every day, and the time for the decisive battle on the Japanese mainland seemed to grow ever closer. As bad as it might sound, I hoped that day would come quickly..."After listening to the approaching footsteps of that god of death day in and day out, it is said that Kinzo started cutting his ties with this world one by one. And then, on that day when he had severed all his regrets, when he reached a state of enlightenment... It is said that he had a mystical experience.   "I made a contract with the witch and was given gold and the power of madness. On that day, the old me died, and a new me possessing the insane power of magic was born." "...I know. And after the war, you used your ingenious cunning to revive the Ushiromiya family."The now-deceased elders who knew Kinzo at the time had whispered to each other that Kinzo must have bumped his head on the battlefield and returned with a different personality... That was how much Kinzo had stood out after the war. Whether the story about Kinzo meeting a witch was true or not, there could be no doubt that the extraordinary experience of war had prepared him for death... and let him reach a state of enlightenment. Surely, if he had decided to describe the mystical experience that had occurred as a result as being a meeting with a witch, that claim shouldn't be dismissed out of hand... "...That's right. You returned from the war, conquered the witch Beatrice, and became the head of the Ushiromiya family in the truest sense..." "Correct. Before I met Beatrice, I was nothing more than a puppet which was only the head in name. I only became the head after conquering the Golden Witch." "...Father... Umm, will this Golden Witch aid my husband Krauss now that he's the new head...?" "Oh, she will. Assuming that he has truly succeeded the headship." "Wh, what do you mean by 'truly succeeded'...?" "I mean it depends on whether he bears the responsibility and pride of the Ushiromiya family head in the truest sense. Natsuhi, you should understand this. The headship is not inherited by blood. It is inherited through spirit and conviction. Even though Krauss is my eldest son, he cannot be called the true head if he does not possess these things!" "And, if that spirit were to dwell in a human, even someone other than Krauss, they would make a splendid new head. Beatrice will lend her power to that true head. Isn't that right, Beatrice?!!" BGM: Far This fantastical scene had an otherworldly beauty to it. It was like standing in the midst of a blizzard of golden flower petals being blown about a rose garden of gold. As Natsuhi stared at this scene in shock, the gold butterflies gathered and formed a human shape... Then, the witch of the portrait appeared...  "And there's only one person in the world who can control her. Me. That is why I am qualified to be the Ushiromiya family head." "Hmph. So that pride of yours is what qualifies you to be the head?" "Pride implies self-confidence and bravery. And, it is the embodiment of the insatiable desire to gain a power that can match it. That is why I control you." "...It is quite pleasant to watch men who speak of pride as they turn that desire into reality. The 'quiet man of action' is nothing more than an excuse used by the extremely lucky. A true monarch also speaks of what he doesn't have. And he makes that pride a reality without fail. If one is to control me, they must possess that monarch's pride." "Do you understand, Natsuhi? A true monarch fears no hardship. They declare that they will overcome anything without fail. Even if they haven't yet figured out how. This gives hope to the weak people. They gather, revere the monarch, and swear to assist him. This is where power is gained and his word is carried out. Engrave that into your heart." "Y, yes, Father..."Natsuhi understood. Through this mystical experience, Kinzo was telling her how to prepare herself to overcome hardship. Even after his own death. Feeling a warm feeling rise up in her chest, she let the valuable words Kinzo had given her echo through her mind over and over. A true monarch, in other words, the true head of the Ushiromiya family... must not be afraid of hardship. This person must believe that they could overcome any hardship... If they could not believe this themselves, then they would have no way of overcoming it... ...She suddenly felt very ashamed of the way she had come into this room... sobbing and asking Kinzo what she should do...  "..." "...Of course there's no time for crying when an Ushiromiya family crisis is upon us. And now that we have inherited the Ushiromiya family from you, Father, we must protect its honor no matter what." "Hoh. Even though you can't even draw a blueprint on how to repay Krauss's debts?"As Beatrice laughed unpleasantly, no, that wasn't it. She was testing Natsuhi, to see whether she possessed the mental readiness to be a true monarch. Natsuhi wasn't confused anymore. She answered clearly, gazing into Beatrice's eyes. "Yes. At this moment, I have not yet discovered the method that we should pursue. However, my husband is the new head of the Ushiromiya family, and I am his supporting wife. So in my husband's place, I will proclaim it." "Let us hear it." "...And do you know the scope of Krauss's debt, as well as the horrible state things are in?" "Yes. If the worst happens and we are ordered to leave this mansion tomorrow, we won't be able to refuse. During the distribution of the inheritance, the relatives might even file a criminal complaint." "However, there is no need to worry. We will repay all of the debts before then and restore our honor."As she stood at attention with a resolute attitude, Natsuhi proclaimed this clearly with Ushiromiya Kinzo and Beatrice as witnesses. For a while, they remained silent, as though weighing Natsuhi's resolve. Then Kinzo chuckled and turned away...   "The very fact that a woman with such a disposition married your son is another sign of your great luck." "...Beatrice. This is my final order." "Now that you are no longer the head, I am not obligated to obey your orders." "Hoh. In that case, obey the orders of the new Ushiromiya family head." "You are no longer the head, and Krauss is not yet the head. Whom are you suggesting that I serve?" "I will leave that to you. It is up to you to decide who is qualified to succeed the Ushiromiya family head, and who is fitting to bear the mark of the One-winged Eagle. You will ensure this." "I refuse. I won't listen to the orders of a man who isn't the head." "No, this is different. This is a will. The last order that the head left behind for you." "...*cackle*. Then it seems I will have to obey. I can be quite a good friend." "Are you kidding?" "Hoh?" "You're only doing this because it caught your interest, aren't you?" "I can't hide anything from you, can I?" "Natsuhi." "Yes, Father..." "Go and overcome your hardship." "...Y, yes." Beatrice nodded deeply, and with a motion as elegant as her dress, she bowed deeply before Natsuhi... "Ushiromiya family alchemist, the Golden Witch Beatrice, right here. I will give you my aid so that the Ushiromiya family can overcome a crisis once again..." "...Thank you. I will need your power. We will most certainly overcome these trials." "I will not hold back on my support for your cause, but there is something I must warn you about beforehand. I understand that your troubles now could be solved if I were to bestow a vast quantity of gold again, like I did when I saved Kinzo from his crisis. However, that is something I cannot do." "...Is that so?" "Sorry, Natsuhi. Beatrice's gold came from a contract limited to my generation. It was agreed that it could only be passed on to another if that person solves the witch's epitaph." "The gold is sealed away by the epitaph. As long as that is not solved, you cannot be given the magic of gold." "...I understand. Then I shall search for another method by which we can save ourselves from this crisis. My husband said that his plan would take time, but he also said that it would definitely be sufficient to repay our debts. If we can buy enough time for that to happen, we will be able to overcome this trial." "Good, Natsuhi. Continue." "But Kinzo is already dead. The doctor and servants are preparing his funeral. You were about to contact the family members. By your own hand, you will bring an end to this ploy for time. *cackle*cackle*, how charming is a guillotine where you lower the blade yourself..." "...Ah-"Startled, Natsuhi looked up at the ceiling. There wasn't actually anything there. But even so, Natsuhi had found something. "So, the magical power has descended." "Natsuhi. Have you made up your mind? What magic of miracles do you desire from me?" BGM: Worldend (solo) Krauss was still impatient and clutching at his head. Genji was as expressionless as ever. Nanjo and Kumasawa wore bewildered expressions on their faces. But in stark contrast to all of them, Natsuhi wore a resolute expression on her face. "Dear, let me ask you one more time. Your plan for raising money is absolutely certain?" "...Y, yes. Give it a year, no, just half a year, and it will certainly bear fruit! But it's just impossible to hope for anything right now..." "Then we will wait." "B, but you said it yourself. Father is already dead..." When Natsuhi said this, everyone jumped and looked up. Because they had instantly understood what those words had meant... However, Krauss alone didn't get it right away and asked her.  "What... do you mean by that...? Father is already, in reality... right there..." "I will say it again. Father is still in good health. He is busy with his research, so he'll be even less able to leave his study than usual. Because of this, we must handle all external affairs ourselves so that Father can devote himself to his research without being burdened by meaningless tasks." "In short, nothing will change from the way things have been going. Do you understand, Genji?" "...Yes. The furniture of the One-winged Eagle will continue to serve the Master." "Kumasawa. And you, Doctor Nanjo. Do you understand what I'm saying?" "...Oh, uh, ummm..." "I, is that truly alright, Natsuhi-san...?" "It may be true that Father passed away today." "But if everyone right here, right now believes, we can use magic to revive Father." "I, it's impossible, Madam... That's just too much...!" "The time of death will be specified during the autopsy. We can't stop it from looking suspicious...!" Of course, she wasn't planning to make it seem like Kinzo would live forever. The fake life given to Kinzo would only last until Krauss could repay his debts. After that, Kinzo's soul would finally be able to sleep in peace. Nanjo repeatedly said that the time of death would be discovered during the autopsy, but Natsuhi kept saying that this wouldn't be a problem. "Father will not pass away by being reported dead." "A, ah, I see. He'll be reported missing...!!"After clapping his hands together, Krauss stood up, shaking his fists. "Yes. Once we've managed to pay back the debt and finish the preparations to lay Father to rest, we will then announce that Father has disappeared." One day, Kinzo would go out to the forest for a walk and never return. They would search for him without success and then be forced to report his disappearance...  "If he disappears, we can file a report of his death even without a corpse. In other words, we can hide him long enough to have him declared legally dead! What do you think, Doctor Nanjo?! There won't be any problems this way!" "Y, yes, that might work..." "...Is this really alright, Madam...? If we stay silent, then I'm sure we could keep the Master's death a secret...! However, if we were to slip up even once and let someone find out...!!" "Kumasawa. You're too loud. Father is sleeping right over there, correct? Are you trying to wake him?"It isn't a corpse. Kinzo... is sleeping. As Natsuhi said that, Kinzo lay quietly on the bed as though there was nothing at all odd about her words.  BGM: Cage Once again, a storm of gold butterflies started to swirl, covering Kinzo's cold body... Then, after the butterflies exploded into fine gold powder and disappeared, just like those fairy tales that have been told over and over since long ago, Kinzo slowly opened his eyes and sat up... "...F, Father...!!" "You liar. Don't tell me you didn't anticipate this at least a little. How does it feel, Kinzo? How is your body?" "It isn't bad, but it feels somewhat like being in a dream. I feel light." "A being that wasn't permitted to remain in this world still remains here. You'll have to accept a little discomfort." "...Is your body truly alright?! Is it really, alright...?!" "Hmmm. Actually, it feels quite pleasant. If this is what the world after death feels like, acting like a ghost might not be so bad." "How is this, Natsuhi? Kinzo has revived. That means a funeral is unnecessary. Your hardship has been resolved!" "...B, Beatrice..."As Natsuhi tried to find words of gratitude amidst her confusion, Beatrice waggled her pointer finger and spoke. "There is no need for thanks. The ruler is allowed to be proud. I will not pay heed to requests, but I will follow orders." "Even so, I'll say it. Thank you. This way, you've bought some time for my husband... We will handle the rest." "Be warned, Natsuhi. Kinzo may have revived, but that is not an eternal thing. It will only continue as long as my magic does. Be warned that the magic-resisting toxin might destroy the magic. You must understand the laws of magic correctly and work hard to maintain it. I can show you a miracle, but it is your role to grasp it and hold it." "Of course. We definitely won't neglect the miracle you have given us." "Very well. I see, just like floor mats, it seems masters need to be changed every once in a while." "*cackle*cackle*! I like it. I shall serve you."  
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So Natsuhi wasn't just playing along with the conspiracy to hide Kinzo's death... it was her idea. I thought it might have been Krauss, but as these updates have shown, he's weak-willed and kind of an idiot, so someone had to take the reigns, and I think Kinzo would approve of an idea like this, from what we've heard. drat, Natsuhi, I sold you short... but here again, we have another lady attributing her own talent and initiative to following the spirit of a man, or some such. The answer is indeed always patriarchy, it would seem. But that's not the only thing about this that's weird- Beato's back, and... appearing before Natsuhi? The one Beatrice used to make faces at for Shannon's entertainment? That's new... and really drat unprecedented, considering Natsuhi's normal attitude toward magic and spirits. And there doesn't even seem to be antagonism on Beato's part at all; she's got her "cute" face on, like when she was talking to Shannon on the beach. Somehow, this doesn't feel consistent: you'd think there'd be at least a little bit of "Hey, stop picking on the servants so much" if this was actually the Beato we've come to know. So is this really her, or the "Beato in Natsuhi's mind," like Kinzo? resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Well, according to the profiles, piece-Beatrice's role has shifted due to the change in GMs, so maybe it's the Beatrice in Natsuhi's mind -- a sort of tempestuous magical force controlled by the authority of the Ushiromiya head -- as adjusted by Shortcackle, to move the plot along.
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resurgam40 posted:really drat unprecedented, considering Natsuhi's normal attitude toward magic and spirits. Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying believing in spirits is unprecedented for the woman who has a spirit mirror
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resurgam40 posted:she's got her "cute" face on Excuse you all Beato faces are cute
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Yes, I think that entire conversation is in Natsuhi's imagination. And Krauss' business success is all in his head. Everybody is in their little fantasy land. I think this is also supposed to be a hint about how to treat conversations that we know couldn't have happened: they're in somebody's head. I also assume that, even though there isn't a date, this happened a ways back.
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Rodyle posted:Excuse you all Beato faces are cute Red truth.
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So I just caught up with these threads and Im enjoying this ride so far. Im new to umineko so i have a theory as to the mystery surrounding the servants. Is it alright if I post my theory even though it contains spoilers from the previous game?
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This thread assumes completion of the previous thread, so open spoilers for Episodes 1-4 are fine.
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Ok heres my theory regarding the 2 servants based on what we know about them. While we heard shannons name "Sayo" we still haven't heard Kannons true name. Every time he was asked to tell us his name he refused and/or died before telling it to us. I think that his other name is "Kinzo". Like Battler stated "Kinzo is the name that is passed down to the new head of the family" so when the real Kinzo dies the servants were used to maintain the illusion that Kinzo still lives. But with that in mind EP 1 Kannon even has a conversation with "Kinzo" about the epithet and how whomever solves it becomes the new head of the family. Of course Kannon states that he cannot since he is just furniture but "Kinzo" just chuckles knowingly as if he doesn't fully believe Kannon's words. Once the murders start the only time we see "Kinzos" body is once Kannon is "dead"/"dying". That means that Beato can say "Kannon is dead" and "Kinzo is dead" in red and not lie since technically both are dead at the time. As for Shannon, i agree with the thread that she is probably Beatrice and the murders is part of revenge against the family for mistreating her. I also think that she is related with the family on a greater level than previously shown. For this to be true Battlers story has to go one way which has been hinted at but not confirmed. According to Beato, Asumu isn't Battlers' mother but he is still Kinzos grandson. This made me reflect on Kyries story and how she mentioned that her son died at child birth and Asumu gave birth to Battler at around the same time. But what happens if the opposite occurred? if Asumus child died at child birth and Kyrie son was born but Rudolf had them switched. So that would make Battler Kyries' biological son while Rudolf married Asumu. Now of course why would Rudolf do that? or someone do that to him? Well inter-family politics aside maybe he didn't want the Sumadera family involved with succession in the Ushriomiya family since Battler would have been in line for the succession and Rudolf couldn't let that happen. So he had them switched (essentially) and lied about who gave birth to Battler. That would make Ange Battlers biological sister and Kyrie is his biological mother. Im sure there are points that contradict these claims but i dont remember them at this time. lookw fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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I think I'm starting to understand how this game is "without love". Take in the last update, for example, along with this one. Natsuhi is behaving this way, not out of love for her husband, but out of loyalty to him. We've seen nothing but Natsuhi's impression of Kinzo, either, so I'm not seeing any But if Natsuhi is the one who came up with the idea that Kinzo's still alive, does that mean that, with last game, she was the one masquerading as Kinzo in front of everyone? And everyone just accepted it? drat, that's a really hard-rear end woman.
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lookw posted:Of course this is assuming she and battler are the same age. Shannon is 16, Battler is 18, iirc.
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Rune Full Moon posted:Shannon is 16, Battler is 18, iirc. welp there goes that theory. so shannon and Kannon are the same age?
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Despite Natsuhi coming up with the idea, she is was by far the worst actor of the people here. Like whenever one of the true accusations come up in the first arc she would react to it in a way that made it quite clear they were correct.bman in 2288 posted:
Don't think so. Eva and the rest don't respect her enough. Added on we know that no one can actually mistake Kinzo. And that is was a case of someone inheriting his name. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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No-one can mistake Kinzo, but we have no proof that anyone ever saw him either. Right after that it all gets magic weird. It's more parsimonious to just say that scene never happened at all. No-one mistook Kinzo because no-one saw Kinzo in the first place.
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CottonWolf posted:No-one can mistake Kinzo, but we have no proof that anyone ever saw him either. Right after that it all gets magic weird. It's more parsimonious to just say that scene never happened at all. No-one mistook Kinzo because no-one saw Kinzo in the first place. We do know they acknowledged someone as Kinzo there. But it was implied to be because he passed on his name or something.
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CottonWolf posted:No-one can mistake Kinzo, but we have no proof that anyone ever saw him either. Right after that it all gets magic weird. It's more parsimonious to just say that scene never happened at all. No-one mistook Kinzo because no-one saw Kinzo in the first place. All of those who met at the family conference acknowledged the presence of Kinzo! Kinzo was revived with Beatrice's magic and shown to them all.
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Oh, I forgot that. Curses.
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Kinzo's corpse was controlled like a puppet and Krauss is a great ventriloquist.
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Natsuhi and Krauss roll Kinzo around on a hand truck, eyes hidden by sunglasses.
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Games > Let's Play! > Weekend At Kinzo's - Let's Play Umineko Chiru
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It's really more like Weekend At Kinzo's 2
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tiistai posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying believing in spirits is unprecedented for the woman who has a spirit mirror I had actually forgotten about the spirit mirror, yes... but I also remember that its so-called magical powers have been described by people other than Natsuhi. It's Shannon and the other servants who say that that mirror can defeat Beatrice, but Natsuhi hasn't talked about it at all; she keeps it in a box on her desk, so its entirely possible that the only value it has for her is sentimental.
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