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Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Also because Frederica Bernkastel exists - and is a witch - but is distinct from Umineko's Bernkastel. This last point was at one time unclear, which somewhat confused matters.

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Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

It does need to be remembered that Battler has not been called stupid. He was called incompetent in red, but never stupid. He was always sharp enough to solve the riddle if he really tried, but he's never really applied himself to do so no matter what he's occasionally claimed.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

grandalt posted:

Yes, that still seems to be Battler's greatest weakness, not willing to admit how messed up his family is. These people are capable of murdering each other.

Yeah, this is a pretty good summary of the issue he's dealing with.

In terms of the epitaph specifically, he's never really had a reason in the story to solve it before the murders start happening and he starts becoming incapable of looking at it logically. The reward for doing so is not something he's remotely interested in, so at most it just looks like a fun diversion to him and he's already occupied in doing other things - like catching up with the cousins he hasn't seen in years.

Here, a combination of Erika making a huge issue of the epitaph, her hanging around the cousins instead of the matter typically being left with the adults in the dining room, and Bern having piece Battler heavily interact with her have created a situation that hasn't really existed before, where the matter of solving the epitaph is put in the forefront of Battler's mind well before things start going pear shaped.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

While it helps that I already know what that is, I'd never actually looked closely at that picture and noticed it said Frederika Bernkastel on the bottom of the strip of tape. Looking at it a bit more, the top part is perfectly legible as well.

It reads: E. Furudo


That seriously is legible though, so I guess Kanon just can't read english cursive?

Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Apr 3, 2017

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Qrr posted:

Oh, it's much more likely that Kyrie murdered Asumu. Rudolf probably just helped.

Or, as Erika would "prove" if she were the detective on the case, it was Ange! How could you, Ange? Unless of course you want to blame your mother, right? Sure, we know you didn't do it in red, but that's inadmissible because it wouldn't fit my narrative.

I think someone needs to go back and reread stuff. During Kyrie's confrontation with Leviathan, she says she was actively WISHING Asumu would die and, given her other statements, it's not a particularly large leap to guess that she would have eventually attempted murder, but ultimately Asumu died without Kyrie doing anything.

Aside from that, there is literally zero evidence anywhere in any of the updates suggesting Rudolf had a hand in Asumu's death, or would have helped Kyrie if it had come to that, so that specifically is an utterly baseless claim.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

No matter how much people complain, the established rule for a multiple games now is that only witches are allowed to use the Red Truth. So continuing to complain about how Battler's use of it was shot down due to it being completely unsubstantiated while the witches can do so is silly. You have to accept that fact, or this argument is not going to go anywhere.

Battler's usage of it was effectively the same as using illegal evidence. Sure, it proves something, but it's also inadmissible and the point needs to be proved by other methods. And, while Erika does have a witch directly supporting her, she's done a drat good job of building a very solid case based on actual evidence even before Red Text came into play. There is certainly still wiggle room to fit between both the evidence and the Red Truths we currently have, but no one in the game has found a crack yet.

Anyways, here are some of the Red Texts we currently have, as reminders.
George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji really are dead. Now admittedly we don't have it in red the exact timestamps of death for each one, but even if you want to use the theory that George somehow killed Krauss and made the body look like his, you now have to explain how he died. Or how Krauss made a phone call right before he was killed, despite Erika in the next room listening to everything.
Speaking of which Krauss is really dead as well, along with not being the culprit. And I'm going to note here that Bern waited to give that Red until after Natsuhi refused to allow consideration of him as a possible culprit. Even giving her a second chance to foist off the crimes on him.

Remember, the witches are here to be entertained. They're perfectly willing to forgo the truth so long as the circumstances are entertaining for them. Natsuhi breaking down and pushing the accusations off on the otherwise suspicious and missing Krauss probably would have been allowed, in spite of Bern sitting on that Red Truth.

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Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

In the context of arguing the case, Virgilia did not introduce the Red Truth, Battler did. No rules of Red were broken, because the one using it in their argument was not a witch, no matter where it was initially said. Moreover, it's not even like Bern's side said the truth was false, just that it is illegal for Battler to use it, because he is not the supernatural side, and thus it's invalid to be used in this trial regardless of whether or not it's true.

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