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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

gobbagool posted:

So a bombing campaign in the mid 1950s is still hampering agricultural production 65 years later? Good thing we never did that to Germany, Japan, Italy, Vietnam, or anyone else we've been at war with in the last century! I'd hate to think about a bunch of starving Germans!

Seriously your gimmick is tired. Go talk to pener for guidance on the light touch on the long troll. He's doing a much better job than you.

Lol you're so clueless.

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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Fojar38 posted:

why did you go to south korea and not north korea

Because the US military doesn't station troops in North Korea.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

Because the US military doesn't station troops in North Korea.

on a scale of 1-10 how brutally did u repress the south korean people, who yearn for the guidance of kim jong-un

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Fallen Hamprince posted:

on a scale of 1-10 how brutally did u repress the south korean people, who yearn for the guidance of kim jong-un

0, I just gave them medicine and drank maekju with them.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ace of Baes posted:

Lol you're so clueless.

Explain. I'd like to know about this deep tech that ruins agriculture for decades

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

gobbagool posted:

Explain. I'd like to know about this deep tech that ruins agriculture for decades

Ok here's a hint, look at how the US treated the countries you listed wrt reconstruction.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ace of Baes posted:

Ok here's a hint, look at how the US treated the countries you listed wrt reconstruction.

Oh I see. The us didn't pour billions into nk agriculture so they forgot how to grow food. Yeah about right, socialists don't know how to grow food unless the US pays for it. Surely the capitalists will sell the rope that will they one day be hanged with comrade!

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

Ok here's a hint, look at how the US treated the countries you listed wrt reconstruction.

quote:

Good thing we never did that to Germany, Japan, Italy, Vietnam,

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

gobbagool posted:

Oh I see. The us didn't pour billions into nk agriculture so they forgot how to grow food. Yeah about right, socialists don't know how to grow food unless the US pays for it. Surely the capitalists will sell the rope that will they one day be hanged with comrade!

Lol

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Mmmm I love capitalism nothing is better to me than exploiting the planet and it's inhabitants so an ultra wealthy class of owners can ride around in Golden yachts and literally get away with murder.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

gobbagool posted:

Oh I see. The us didn't pour billions into nk agriculture so they forgot how to grow food. Yeah about right, socialists don't know how to grow food unless the US pays for it. Surely the capitalists will sell the rope that will they one day be hanged with comrade!

changed my mind, actually juche is good now

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Imperialism is the highest form of capitalism and is responsible for more deaths than every fascist regime that's ever existed btw.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

Mmmm I love capitalism nothing is better to me than exploiting the planet and it's inhabitants so an ultra wealthy class of owners can ride around in Golden yachts and literally get away with murder.

watch out guys this one's woke, he's probably read the bread book and has a rose emoji next to his twitter name

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Fallen Hamprince posted:

watch out guys this one's woke, he's probably read the bread book and has a rose emoji next to his twitter name

What's it like to support an ideology that's responsible for enslaving Black people and committing genocide against the Native Americans?

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ace of Baes posted:

Mmmm I love capitalism nothing is better to me than exploiting the planet and it's inhabitants so an ultra wealthy class of owners can ride around in Golden yachts and literally get away with murder.

So the Kim family are capitalists? Consider me now woke on this topic

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ace of Baes posted:

What's it like to support an ideology that's responsible for enslaving Black people and committing genocide against the Native Americans?

The Spanish crown? I'll thank you kind sir to never suggest that again

Edit I can see why you're a big fan of the nk dictatorship they never enslaved anyone

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

gobbagool posted:

So the Kim family are capitalists? Consider me now woke on this topic
Yeah, North Korea is a state capitalist country with the ruling class imposing fascism on the the rest of the population. This is well documented with entire books about it lol

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

it's a mystery to me, an idiot, why after losing their major trading partner the dprk would go through a famine they've only recently recovered from

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

What's it like to support an ideology that's responsible for enslaving Black people and committing genocide against the Native Americans?

man i really wasn't expecting to be outed as andrew jackson's parachute account itt

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

R. Guyovich posted:

it's a mystery to me, an idiot, why after losing their major trading partner the dprk would go through a famine they've only recently recovered from

Socialists love that classic Led Zeppelin song, everybody's fault but mine

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

gobbagool posted:

Socialists love that classic Led Zeppelin song, everybody's fault but mine

North Korea isn't socialist you retard.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

it is

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Liberals itt are on the same level as the right wing dudes who show up to socialist events and yell about the NSDAP.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Maybe you two need to huddle up here and figure this out

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

No it isn't, the Nork gov funnels aid money into the Pyongyang elite while the rest of the country starves, it's a state capitalist fascist military dictatorship.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

Liberals itt are on the same level as the right wing dudes who show up to socialist events and yell about the NSDAP.

im ssj2 bitch

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ace of Baes posted:

No it isn't, the Nork gov funnels aid money into the Pyongyang elite while the rest of the country starves, it's a state capitalist fascist military dictatorship.

Please don't use that term it's racist. Bad enough that you hate them so much that you'd rather see them starve than is it your ideology is retarded, but to call them racist names on top of that is in poor taste even for you and the rest of your comencon buddies

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ace of Baes posted:

No it isn't, the Nork gov funnels aid money into the Pyongyang elite while the rest of the country starves, it's a state capitalist fascist military dictatorship.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/307250096/Socialist-Korea-A-Case-Study-in-the-Strategy-of-Economic-Development

pay particular attention to chapters six and seven

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

oh poo poo homex has started up with the stalinist livejournal posts time 2 bail

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Material analysis isn't as important as actually going to North Korea, which none of the Invade North Korea & Kill Them All crowd itt have done either.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Ace of Baes posted:

Mmmm I love capitalism nothing is better to me than exploiting the planet and it's inhabitants so an ultra wealthy class of owners can ride around in Golden yachts and literally get away with murder.

This but unironically, which is also why the DPRK is, in fact, good.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Ace of Baes posted:

Yeah, North Korea is a state capitalist country with the ruling class imposing fascism on the the rest of the population. This is well documented with entire books about it lol

Even though I don't necessarily agree it's nice to meet an anti-capitalist who doesn't defend the indefensible.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Fallen Hamprince posted:

oh poo poo homex has started up with the stalinist livejournal posts time 2 bail

it's a book moron

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
The DPRK had a higher standard of living until the late 1970s when that book was published yeah. That's not wrong. But reading about the founding of the country... despite what the book argues, in fact the DPRK engaged the services of Japanese collaborators more than the ROK.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Also the book argues that Kim Il Sung was not only an important military leader (which he was) but an influential ideological leader and that his group "put great emphasis on the ideological and political preparation of its cadres" and that Kim's "political organization and agitation ... stretched deep into the peninsula." The source for this appears to be Kim Il Sung.

There are several problems with this, but often pro-DPRK sources and the DPRK organs themselves will talk about the things Kim Il Sung did, but do not explain what those things were in any detail. If he was such an influential ideological leader, then show us his ideological works. But Kim Il Sung's "works" were pretty scant, tautological bores that heavily plagiarized from other sources -- some of it was for foreign consumption only -- and there's a reason he's had minimal ideological influence abroad.

The DPRK does this in order to legitimize the state and build up a personality cult, but the text is not what the North Korean state is about. The text is a waxwork.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 06:47 on Apr 1, 2017

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Ahh I'm on the section about North Korean politics -- and the authors put central to it a 1972 interview Kim Il Sung gave to Japanese journalists about Juche Thought. OK right there you know these authors got snookered because

I skipped to the section

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepwppHT6Fc&t=830s

Ace of Baes posted:

North Korea isn't socialist you retard.
Enver Hoxha said about Kim Il Sung:

"In Pyongyang, I believe that even Tito will be astonished at the proportions of the cult of his host, which has reached a level unheard of anywhere else, either in past or present times, let alone in a country which calls itself socialist."

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:32 on Apr 1, 2017

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
let North Korea rot , if they can't juche out of it, then gently caress em

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Fojar38 posted:

imo you should save up to travel to north korea and learn first hand

its cheaper to defect and they hook you up with an apartment and wife. sweet deal imo

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
I wonder if that fat old white guy is still alive and If he ever regrets his choice.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
if you call yourself a socialist or communist homework explainer feels honour bound to defend you even as you're committing genocide.

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