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I think the DPRK is a totalitarian, nationalistic cult and the laborers have very little self-determination and material needs are dicey. That's my main concern are the people, I could give a poo poo if some lovely autocrat with a bad haircut walks around looking at things all day. Juche is poo poo, and the country is not a good example at all of communism, but, it is defiant of American imperialism, which I can dig on. My stance is mostly "hands off DPRK", if they get the bomb, they get the bomb, but under no circumstances should America be bombing them, invading, or doing all the CIA fuckery behind the scenes as well (sabotaging industry, imports, etc, w/e else you know we do).
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Pol pot should have been skinned alive IMO
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Mar 26, 2017 06:17
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Scent of Worf posted:Pol pot should have been skinned alive IMO I dunno, what do you think would be better, flayed alive or the blood eagle?
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Mar 26, 2017 06:23
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I dunno, what do you think would be better, flayed alive or the blood eagle? First time hearing of the blood eagle and; quote:It was performed by slicing open the back of the victim, then hacking the ribs away from the spine, causing them to spring apart to resemble bloody wings, then drawing the lungs out of victim's back and draping them over the shoulders.  
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Mar 26, 2017 06:36
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This is pretty great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkgLUw7CvK8
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Mar 26, 2017 07:05
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I get weird feelings watching that. Pyongyang is both really pretty but I get this feeling of existential horror. Looks to be in better condition than Havana though. At least on a superficial level, the baseline standard of living seems to have gotten better, at least in the capital. Not many cars on the road, but there are more of them and newer ones. The buildings have a fresh coat of paint. Fashion seems to have changed and is more relaxed, particularly for women. In the early mid-2000s when videos were coming out of there, it looked seriously blasted as it was still trying to recover from a horrendous famine and economic depression. More tourists now. Yeah I dunno. The way totalitarian regimes work is that the horror is there, and the police state is listening and will deal with you, but for most people life is rather boring and is in kind of a ... stasis. Weighty. Nobody seems to be in much of a hurry. Life is frozen and inert.
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Mar 26, 2017 07:27
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"I loving LOVE THE COLORS TEAL, AND PINK" - Pyongyang architect, guy
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Mar 26, 2017 08:47
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Also lime green.
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Mar 26, 2017 08:52
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Badger of Basra posted:Send the front row kids into the fields i was a front row kid 
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Mar 26, 2017 11:29
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i hope the north koreans at least manage to nuke silicon valley. it's all i ask. or maybe just mark zuckerberg's hawaiian island
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Mar 26, 2017 16:00
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Scent of Worf posted:First time hearing of the blood eagle and; watching Vikings they've filmed 2 to date
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Scionix posted:"I loving LOVE THE COLORS TEAL, AND PINK" - Pyongyang architect, guy  Trying at 1980s miami, or...?
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Mar 28, 2017 14:14
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north korea has to be the least stylish dictatorship ever
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Mar 28, 2017 15:04
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Fallen Hamprince posted:north korea has to be the least stylish dictatorship ever
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Mar 28, 2017 17:02
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Fallen Hamprince posted:north korea has to be the least stylish dictatorship ever   with cool murals    and, also, pragmatically, quote:Pyongyang Metro is among the deepest metros in the world, with the track at over 110 metres (360 ft) deep underground; the metro does not have any above-ground track segments or stations. Due to the depth of the metro and the lack of outside segments, its stations can double as bomb shelters, with blast doors in place at hallways.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:30
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Fast Luck posted:Their subway system is stylish yeah i really love the retro look engine...sort of like how the castro regime was so fond of 50s style american cars that nothing newer was ever allowed there
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Mar 28, 2017 17:38
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Fast Luck posted:Their subway system is stylish They just stole their style from Stalin
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Mar 28, 2017 17:44
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gobbagool posted:yeah i really love the retro look engine...sort of like how the castro regime was so fond of 50s style american cars that nothing newer was ever allowed there no wonder your posts are so bad you don't know what an "embargo" is lol
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Mar 28, 2017 17:46
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Fiction posted:no wonder your posts are so bad you don't know what an "embargo" is lol Sure i do, but shouldn't have the eternal science of marxist leninism have provided a solution? Or did cuba enter the cheat code on the controller wrong?
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Mar 28, 2017 17:57
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Fast Luck posted:Their subway system is stylish this owns does north korea make all of asias crystal meth or just most of it?
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Mar 28, 2017 17:59
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gobbagool posted:Sure i do, but shouldn't have the eternal science of marxist leninism have provided a solution? Or did cuba enter the cheat code on the controller wrong? Lol at you basically suggesting Cuba should have given up and gone back to being a us backed slave dictatorship.
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Mar 28, 2017 18:07
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Fiction posted:Lol at you basically suggesting Cuba should have given up and gone back to being a us backed slave dictatorship. i think they're suggesting cuba could have tried building modern cars itself. either way stop arguing
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Mar 28, 2017 18:13
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Jose posted:i think they're suggesting cuba could have tried building modern cars itself. either way stop arguing Maybe not even cuba, how about any communist country build a decent car?
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Mar 28, 2017 18:20
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Legit question: I've heard that Cubans will go to some crazy lengths to keep those old cars running, and I get why that's the case now, but when the embargo came down, why didn't Cuba import cars from the USSR or a Warsaw Pact country, instead of going to increasingly crazy lengths to keep old, primarily American cars running?
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Mar 28, 2017 18:21
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lol @ thinking that choking cities with hella smog and traffic is a good solution for anyone but auto manufacturers and oil tycoons
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Mar 28, 2017 18:24
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We invaded Iraq for fake WMDs but won't invade North Korea for real WMDs 🤔
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Mar 28, 2017 19:10
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Real WMDs be scary, yo
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Mar 28, 2017 19:11
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Psycho Society posted:Real WMDs be scary, yo North Korea's a lose lose proposition. Like, on one hand if we invaded they definitely would go full super villain and try blowing the whole country up while the remaining generals and Kims fly away in a giant rocket powered steel Kim Jong-un head and on the other, if we actually liberated North Korea we'd have another bummer holocaust situation on our hands and there's only a 50/50 that we could manage the narrative so that the thing people paid the most attention to was how heroic we were, and not all the skeleton cannibal dwarves.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:25
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Jeb! Repetition posted:We invaded Iraq for fake WMDs but won't invade North Korea for real WMDs 🤔 My HS civics teacher, shortly after the USSR broke up and the Cold War "ended", told me that the a nuclear first strike wouldn't be how a hypothetical future nuclear war would start. He said it would start as a conventional war and then, when one side had all but lost, they would use nukes when put into a realistic situation where their government's survival was threatened. Essentially, it's the "use it or lose it" argument. A couple decades later, I think that same logic is still true. It's hard to envision any scenario where American and/or South Korean boots touch North Korean soil that doesn't end with a nuclear weapon detonating. "Starting a war that goes nuclear" is right there with "reinstating the draft" in terms of things that would ensure that whatever party was responsible for the decision being voted out at the earliest opportunity.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:31
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mysterious frankie posted:North Korea's a lose lose proposition. Like, on one hand if we invaded they definitely would go full super villain and try blowing the whole country up while the remaining generals and Kims fly away in a giant rocket powered steel Kim Jong-un head and on the other, if we actually liberated North Korea we'd have another bummer holocaust situation on our hands and there's only a 50/50 that we could manage the narrative so that the thing people paid the most attention to was how heroic we were, and not all the skeleton cannibal dwarves. There wont be any war with NK unless they start it. Wait around until they collapse or China gets tired of their antics. It sucks for the tens of millions living in the socialist paradise, slowly starving to death while the pigs on 2 feet get fatter and fatter, but you're right, it's absolutely a lose lose.
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mysterious frankie posted:North Korea's a lose lose proposition. Like, on one hand if we invaded they definitely would go full super villain and try blowing the whole country up while the remaining generals and Kims fly away in a giant rocket powered steel Kim Jong-un head and on the other, if we actually liberated North Korea we'd have another bummer holocaust situation on our hands and there's only a 50/50 that we could manage the narrative so that the thing people paid the most attention to was how heroic we were, and not all the skeleton cannibal dwarves. About the best resolution that we can hope for at this point is some kind of a palace coup where a bunch of high-ranking generals manage to seize power with a big enough portion of the military under its control to avoid civil war, after which they cozy up to China (and to a lesser degree the South) to help them begin a decades long modernization process. I don't have much hope of that actually happening, but ... well, I can hope.
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Azathoth posted:I would argue that, at this point, all the U.S. and China realistically want is for there not to be a disorderly collapse of the government because that would cause a massive refugee crisis as a significant portion of the population flees either across the Yalu into China or across the DMZ into South Korea. The military being slightly less evil than the Kims is really their only hope, yeah. There's no way in hell the military would put real Socialism in place, but even Chinese style authoritarian capitalism has gotta be better than the failing state cult they have now. It's not happening though. Collapse and more horror is all they have ahead of them and it sucks.
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Azathoth posted:I would argue that, at this point, all the U.S. and China realistically want is for there not to be a disorderly collapse of the government because that would cause a massive refugee crisis as a significant portion of the population flees either across the Yalu into China or across the DMZ into South Korea. There also isn't enough evidence that the populace in North Korea wants to be "liberated". I'm not convinced that every citizen thinks that Un is some sort of God King but there also isn't evidence to the contrary?
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mysterious frankie posted:North Korea's a lose lose proposition. Like, on one hand if we invaded they definitely would go full super villain and try blowing the whole country up while the remaining generals and Kims fly away in a giant rocket powered steel Kim Jong-un head and on the other, if we actually liberated North Korea we'd have another bummer holocaust situation on our hands and there's only a 50/50 that we could manage the narrative so that the thing people paid the most attention to was how heroic we were, and not all the skeleton cannibal dwarves. Yes it would suck if people thought poorly of us for stopping a "bummer holocaust situation"
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blugu64 posted:Yes it would suck if people thought poorly of us for stopping a "bummer holocaust situation" I talked about a giant steel Kim head and cannibal dwarves in that same post. Maybe give me the benefit of the doubt and assume I'm being sardonic on purpose.
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Liberals run crying to NATO about socialist states like this, but Western "leftists" run crying to NATO about socialists states like this. Trust me it's different!
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Mar 28, 2017 20:20
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Unless someone on this forum is like a Korean-Chinese history scholar there's about a 0% chance that anyone here (including me) knows the best way to approach the North Korea dilemma.
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Ace of Baes posted:Unless someone on this forum is like a Korean-Chinese history scholar there's about a 0% chance that anyone here (including me) knows the best way to approach the North Korea dilemma. I really feel like regardless of what happens on the diplomatic front, we need to be sure we have a theater missile defense system that can reliably take out the giant floating steel Kim head
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LGD posted:I really feel like regardless of what happens on the diplomatic front, we need to be sure we have a theater missile defense system that can reliably take out the giant floating steel Kim head I'm picturing it like Bowser's flying clown head except it's Jong Il's head with Un poking out the top of it.
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