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Azathoth posted:The alternative is that at the very start, China invades at the behest of one of the army factions, militarily occupies and feeds the country, sets up a puppet regime amenable to their interests, and then withdraws a few years later, once the threat of collapse abates. Why are people assuming that China is capable of pulling this off badda bing badda boom More likely they'd get stuck in a lovely quagmire for years/decades like the USSR and USA have when they've tried to do the same thing elsewhere
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jarofpiss posted:the world should surrender unconditionally to juche immediatel;y more like douch-eh 
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Fallen Hamprince posted:when the dialectic game so strong that the dprk can be starving bc of sanctions and not starving bc juche simultaneously lmao
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Fiction posted:People aren't literally starving so making it harder for them to buy food and necessary items the only way they can is totes humanitarian. I took glee in evicting a homeless guy and am on the right side of history. why is it americas responsibility to feed north koreans and not the government of north korea's
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logikv9 posted:north korea is very bad 
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Fiction posted:It's not, which is why it's very weird that we are so concerned about who in Korea gets money to buy food. why is america obligated to engage in any form of commerce with north korea at all including giving north korea access to american banking systems i ask because people are treating american sanctions against north korea as some sort of betrayal of a responsibility that america holds
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Mar 31, 2017 20:48
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Ace of Baes posted:If civilians are starving to death there's s moral obligation to prevent that as much as possible, it's really disturbing that this needs to be said lol okay but why is america the first to be blamed for said starving and not the government of north korea, which is spending a disproportionately high amount of money on its military and threatening to nuke america resar posted:We did the same in the cold war no they didnt casually threatening to use nukes was a big no-no in cold war politicking
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Mar 31, 2017 20:55
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resar posted:Why is NK having nukes bad? Why is anyone having nukes bad Nukes for everyone IMO, all nukes all the time, i loving love nuclear proliferation and how it can only lead to good things
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Mar 31, 2017 20:56
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Loving Life Partner posted:Sabre rattling about nuking America (NK's very valid enemy, considering we destroyed their entire country 50 years ago) Technically this would make the entire UN "NK's very valid enemy"
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Mar 31, 2017 20:58
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LinYutang posted:50 years is a long time. get over it, north korea Specifically get over losing the war you started
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Mar 31, 2017 21:04
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Fast Luck posted:It's not over though? We still have troops occupying South Korea and still participate in military exercises and Korea is still divided and technically at war So why should America feed a country it's at war with and give it access to its banking system??? Fojar38 has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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wait why am i trying to convince people who are white knighting dprk and imperial japan imo you should volunteer to go and serve the north korean government, i am sure they can use all the help they can get in battling the imperialist aggressors
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Mar 31, 2017 21:12
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Ace of Baes posted:The US Government should prevent north Koreans from starving because they're human beings you sociopathic freaks agreed america should invade north korea right now
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Apr 1, 2017 01:18
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Peel posted:Ace of Baes says 'X' and gobbagool reads 'X and also the government of North Korea has no obligation to feed its people.' The latter half appears literally from nowhere - the liberal has hallucinated it. The first statement might as well have been talking about the weather or tomorrow's ball game, it literally doesn't matter - the liberal's brain has decided it's talking to a 'tankie' and started firing neurons at random. Actually it's a perfectly valid question assuming that you recognize that international sovereignty is a thing. Is the USA responsible for feeding all starving people the world over? If so, why specifically the USA and not other large countries, or better yet, why don't the governments representing said starving people feed their people? If you are going to argue that the USA specifically has a moral obligation to ensure that global suffering is at an absolute and sustainable minimum using any means at their disposal you're one step away from advocating neo-conservative foreign policy, thus completing the horseshoe.
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Like it genuinely seems to me that the most clear and obvious way for the United States of America to ensure the end of the suffering of the people of North Korea would be to invade and physically conquer and annex the territory and then distribute free food, medicine, education, etc. If this sounds like imperialism that's because that's exactly what it is.
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Apr 1, 2017 02:18
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Ace of Baes posted:Of course the government of NK has a moral obligation to it's people that it's breaking, it's ruled by a fascist military dictator manchild, the US has an obligation because we're the reason the citizens there have such a hosed up country, if you need me to explain why to you please go study what the us did in the Korean war. lol wtf is this poo poo
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Apr 1, 2017 02:22
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The Korean War started when the Soviet backed North Korea invaded the South and was pushed back by a multilateral United Nations force
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Apr 1, 2017 02:23
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Ace of Baes posted:Yeah they would end the suffering of millions of South Koreans as well when nork shells Seoul. Hmm, so the US is the aggressor when they don't do anything, and also the aggressor when they intervene
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Apr 1, 2017 02:25
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Ah, okay I guess I didn't give the appropriate amount of respect to the thoughtful and controversial "I think it's bad when people starve" position that was being takenPeel posted:This doesn't follow at all. Starting wars is a bad way to reduce suffering, and the suffering it causes is a major reason military aggression is bad. On the other hand, there are times when fighting is necessary to reduced suffering in the long run and absolute pacifism is a disgustingly privileged moral philosophy. Fojar38 has issued a correction as of 02:43 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 02:39
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Ace of Baes posted:Nobody in this thread knows poo poo about North Korean history, it's filled with revisionists from both sides lol imo you should save up to travel to north korea and learn first hand
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Apr 1, 2017 02:55
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Ace of Baes posted:What if I told u...North Korean famines are a result of a US bombing campaign in the late Korean war that focused on non-military essential infrastructure, and that these famines are made worse simaltaneously by US sanctions and their horrible military regime of a gov. Why hasn't the government rebuilt them after 70 years
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Apr 1, 2017 03:02
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Ace of Baes posted:I lived in Korea for a year and met plenty of people who'd lived there. why did you go to south korea and not north korea
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thats a pretty serious underestimation of the leverage that the usa holds though
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Apr 2, 2017 21:23
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the more i read of that interview the more bizarrely conspiratorial meyers is making it sound
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Apr 2, 2017 21:29
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thaad is already being built and south korea is an export based economy and therefore heavily reliant on the usa for its economic security as well as its military security i dont find the "a buddy cop movie is popular therefore korea will be reunited under pyongyang" argument very convincing tbh
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Apr 2, 2017 22:31
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also lmao @ citing polls as evidence of pending reunification
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Confederalism isn't exactly "reuniting under Pyongyang" oh sorry a korean confederation is imminent because of a buddy cop movie
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