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As long as you remember that they don't actually give a gently caress about your identity, that seems fair. Obama and Clinton thought gays were subhubman freaks until a few years ago, so I guess that's better than someone who still thinks this.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imo it's more like Democrats and Republicans are both liberal parties that have degenerated in the absence of the ideological mooring provided by the Cold War. With one party steadily pulling the other further and further to the Right over time. Yeah. No one knows why they do anything anymore, stuck in permanent liminality, hoping that some kind of fix- be it Jesus or the Singularity- will save us before we all start killing each other. Poor people are more likely to choose Jesus or total disbelief in the system, both of which pisses Liberals off.
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call to action posted:As long as you remember that they don't actually give a gently caress about your identity, that seems fair. Obama and Clinton thought gays were subhubman freaks until a few years ago, so I guess that's better than someone who still thinks this. it's political opportunism on all sides (a lot of republicans outside of freaks like pence and huckabee don't hate gays either), but the people Trying to gently caress Me Over in Two Ways are worse than the people Trying to gently caress Me Over in One Way it's pretty simple mysterious frankie posted:Poor people are more likely to choose Jesus or total disbelief in the system, both of which pisses Liberals off. they don't get mad because they Hate Jesus, they get mad because "choosing jesus" in the US just means becoming a republican or fascist bc right-wing politics own american (white) christian identity
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services  grand bargain both love cuts
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wizard on a water slide posted:^^^ same its just too bad that there isn't something substantial to really work out on top of "preserving" things as it is now so if poor people, who are busy dying don't see the better options, they're left with "what else do you have to lose" akin republican at least i voted to make sure that people weren't actively and maliciously getting hosed instead of just systematically being hosed, big difference 
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Condiv posted:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/10/30/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social-security/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act oh it goes back farther than that...
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/10/30/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social-security/ reminder that the lady Bill exploited as a mascot for the latter thing there would go on to have a stroke and died a few years ago at age 59.
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services what is the point of a dem party that loves cutting social services? especially when those services are already cut to the bone? wasn't it the idiot dems who gambled a poo poo ton of budget cuts on the sequestration bullshit? isn't that stuff still in effect, cept the republicans weaseled out of their half?
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Lastgirl posted:but liberals are secret republicans now, so they're ideologically opposed to helping the poor now also, apparently republicans are liberals
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wizard on a water slide posted:they don't get mad because they Hate Jesus, they get mad because "choosing jesus" in the US just means becoming a republican or fascist bc right-wing politics own american (white) christian identity I didn't say it was because they "hate Jesus"; it's because choosing Jesus as your savior, just like total despair, is analogous with denying the secular savior that buoys liberal spirits. Jesus isn't going to save me- I can't even buy a Jesus! Having wifi on my toaster, however, now that's concrete proof that things are getting better and we'll all be ok in a future Star Trek world. It's evidence that I'm not making a fundamental mistake. Plenty of liberals believe in Jesus too, they just don't think he's going to save them in a material sense; poor people hold out hope that he (and by extension politicians that like him) will, because who else is gonna?
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Condiv posted:what is the point of a dem party that loves cutting social services? I mean it has a point, just not for you unless you are wealthy
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Oh Snapple! posted:reminder that the lady Bill exploited as a mascot for the latter thing there would go on to have a stroke and died a few years ago at age 59. http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Democratic_Leadership_Council The Koch Bros. also helped to fund the DLC which helped to get people like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, etc into positions of power.
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Main Paineframe posted:lol, just gonna quote this one real quick before you realize your tremendous mistake that the dems singlehandedly passed a lovely rightwing heritage foundation healthcare bill with no control costs as a giant handout to the rentier parasite class in the health industries? things are slightly better than before and they expanded medicaid a little, but holy poo poo the ACA sucks rear end
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mysterious frankie posted:I didn't say it was because they "hate Jesus"; it's because choosing Jesus as your savior, just like total despair, is analogous with denying the secular savior that buoys liberal spirits. Jesus isn't going to save me- I can't even buy a Jesus! Having wifi on my toaster, however, now that's concrete proof that things are getting better and we'll all be ok in a future Star Trek world. It's evidence that I'm not making a fundamental mistake. The Christian Right believes that a Christian society which follows the precepts of Christ will indeed aid them materially. I mean, if you show enough deference then surely you will receive your just rewards. I do know that a lot of them literally believe in a divine providence of prosperity gospel, but if the Christian Right took over it would be genuinely transformative. But it's just that the country would look more like 20th Century Ireland than anything genuinely revolutionary.
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People seriously don't understand just how bad Bill Clinton was, and that it had nothing to do with him being a philandering child rapist.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Life seems pretty great when you're the privileged middle class of countries that extract imperialist super profits. Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away. The future is going to be a massive 99% underclass who spend their days building luxury toys and services for a tiny rich elite. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services Arent they actually tho just not as many or as much
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Liberals don't just hate poor whites Watch how quickly they'll turn on any black person who doesn't bow down to the dems
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MaxxBot posted:Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away. Yeah, the problem with a labor aristocracy is you have to actually pay them.
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MaxxBot posted:Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away. Automation will make even that mostly unnecessary.
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MaxxBot posted:Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away. this is my fear. that dems are happy to go hand in hand with repubs into a future like that cause they got all their rich friends and celebrities with them in paradise you could also say, they kinda already have...
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Condiv posted:this is my fear. that dems are happy to go hand in hand with repubs into a future like that cause they got all their rich friends and celebrities with them in paradise Good news then, there's no such thing as paradise! When they finish hollowing out the world, we'll all fall together!
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...I'm guessing you probably don't want to high five now? I'll just... put my hand down.
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mysterious frankie posted:Good news then, there's no such thing as paradise! When they finish hollowing out the world, we'll all fall together! Nah with enough money you can live comfortably in a compound in one of the intact areas. And they're trying to gently caress off to space.
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mysterious frankie posted:...I'm guessing you probably don't want to high five now? I'll just... put my hand down. you're pitching a nite crew tenant in a day crew/dnd thread, not preaching to the choir here friend but as always death is certain, keep your cool namaste
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comedyblissoption posted:what mistake is this the Dems DID expand Medicaid and authorized a ton of infrastructure spending. it made it just fine through Congress. but the (Republican) governors of these poor rural states turned down the government money and refused to implement the plans and programs, taking a principled stand for "I believe the government shouldn't help poor people" and then poor rural whites rewarded them by electing a bunch of Republicans to Congress too
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Lastgirl posted:you're pitching a nite crew tenant in a day crew/dnd thread, not preaching to the choir here friend Dang I need to get a different job then.
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Main Paineframe posted:the Dems DID expand Medicaid and authorized a ton of infrastructure spending. it made it just fine through Congress. but the (Republican) governors of these poor rural states turned down the government money and refused to implement the plans and programs, taking a principled stand for "I believe the government shouldn't help poor people" i dont consider it a tremendous mistake to point out the dems are only giving out breadcrumbs while selling out hard as gently caress while they had practically full control of congress to pass a major healthcare bill.
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comedyblissoption posted:lol the infrastructure spending bill was poo poo and had a shitload of tax cuts. literally no one is talking about the supposedly great infrastructure bills the dems have passed under the obama admin yet people are literally still talking about the new deal infrastructure spending to this loving day. i'm not saying the bills didn't have a bunch of bad things i'm saying that the few good things they did put in all got dumpstered dems aren't doing nearly enough for poor people, so instead rural areas vote for the "lol maybe you could afford health insurance if you bought less iphones" shitlords It's almost as if it doesn't really have anything to do with poverty at all
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If Democrats really wanted public improvements and welfare, they would be campaigning on them instead of investigating Russian ties to the Trump campaign.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If Democrats really wanted public improvements and welfare, they would be campaigning on them instead of investigating Russian ties to the Trump campaign. quoting this
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Main Paineframe posted:so instead rural areas vote for the "lol maybe you could afford health insurance if you bought less iphones" shitlords https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeBQC7h37DQ
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comedyblissoption posted:wierd. that sounds just like obama Lol when was the last time Barry made 30,000 a year? He doesn't have a loving clue how much that is after taxes, rent and essential bills does he The dem establishment is all like this These people are completely out of touch. They look at the monthly job growth numbers and call it a day. Anyone who doesnt make it just isn't trying Republicans say poo poo like that out of greed Dems do it because they're out of touch coastal liberals elites The working class is hosed either way lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Christian Right believes that a Christian society which follows the precepts of Christ will indeed aid them materially. I mean, if you show enough deference then surely you will receive your just rewards. I do know that a lot of them literally believe in a divine providence of prosperity gospel, but if the Christian Right took over it would be genuinely transformative. But it's just that the country would look more like 20th Century Ireland than anything genuinely revolutionary. I meant Jesus in a more general poetic sense, as in any kind of transcendent force that can defy predictable outcomes (and whose immanence would fix everything), but said Jesus because it's America I'm focusing on, and also since I was speaking poetically I needed to be vague and unhelpful. It's not so much the Jesus of the organised Christian Right, it's the Jesus that moms cry out to when their kids get shot to death by the cops in their lovely neighborhoods or in some dumb loving battlefield half a world away. The poor are looking to that Jesus to save them from the void at the end of our culture, and groups on the Right are happy to have them along for the ride. They also enjoy that Jesus gives them groups to hate and blame for the absence of order, because it's a nice diversion and, let's be honest, just because you're being unjustly taken advantage of- possibly for generations- does not mean you're automatically a good person. Liberals are too smart for that dumb poo poo, obviously- I mean, they did go to school, you guys, and have really good jobs that are safe from the ravages of globalism and they totally planned it all out that way- so they divert their attention from the fact that we need a revolution by repeating to themselves that capitalism will save us all from capitalism with technology and look, here in America it finally let gays get married and you can buy weed in a lot of places now, so between that and the new iPhone having wireless charging built in how can anyone look at reality and say we aren't going to keep puttering along without making systemic changes? Liberals get mad at the poor choosing Jesus because it's a denial of their savior who has not yet fully revealed itself. It's also more potent at mobilizing the poor to gently caress themselves for your benefit than promises of technology to come based on a present full of technology they can't afford. Liberal atheists get mad at the poor because they're just so stupid; you can repeat all the most rational talking points the net has to offer at them and they still refuse to give up the ineffable presence in their lives that transforms their suffering into something of value. The Liberal faithful hate them because the Jesus of scared and angry people with no options makes the Jesus of people with normal problems look ugly.
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Scent of Worf posted:Lol when was the last time Barry made 30,000 a year? He doesn't have a loving clue how much that is after taxes, rent and essential bills does he You're right of course, but there is a difference. The republicans don't use the full force and weight of their cultural hegemony (because they dont have it lol) to tell the working class that they are literal garbage and that everything that they believe is garbage. Working class people aren't as dumb as a lot of people think - they know that Debbie Wasserman Shultz and probably every single democrat you could name are much much much more concerned with forcing bakeries to bake cakes for gay weddings and certainly the trans bathroom issue than they are about the working class. When faced with 2 political parties that aren't going to protect you economically, but one of them says the words you want to hear "radical islamic terrorism" and so on, and the other party sternly lectures you about your privilege and how you're a bigot for disagreeing with the Lena Dunham wing of the party, it isn't all that hard to figure out whats going to happen
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poor white people largely didn't vote but those that did went overwhelmingly for Trump poor non-white people also didn't vote, and due to various suppression schemes they didn't vote at higher rates than basically everyone else, but those that did went pretty hard for Clinton neither party is the party of the poor. they split the vote from this class roughly evenly
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Fullhouse posted:poor white people largely didn't vote but those that did went overwhelmingly for Trump the income bracket that leaned trump the most was the $50k-$100k bracket the $100k+ brackets were about an even split between the two candidates, while the <$50k brackets went harder for Clinton than any other income bracket
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services Liberals wanted to gut social security. (It's getting gutted anyway, but that's because Republicans and Democrats agree on economics 90% of the time) The ACA made a lovely system even more intolerable for many people. Even though single payer is an objectively better system. (Which the liberals don't want) People can't even afford loving pills anymore. Liberal politicians have made it clear that even mild social democracy is intolerable to them. You're are blind dumb and part of the problem if you think the system is working.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imo it's more like Democrats and Republicans are both liberal parties that have degenerated in the absence of the ideological mooring provided by the Cold War. With one party steadily pulling the other further and further to the Right over time. Also this Liberals don't even have a concrete ideology anymore so it's no wonder the difference between them and conservatives is completely aesthetic nowadays.
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