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rudatron posted:sun wu kampf is a gigantic moron/loser, the people who hate the poor are liberals like zegermans Ok good. I didn't think I hated the poor, but you never know.
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"Poor and conservative" describes a ton of minority voters as well, they just generally don't vote for Republicans for obvious reasons.
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MaxxBot posted:You are literally suggesting that we should write off like 50% of the voting population Uhhh demographics are destiny?
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Mar 29, 2017 21:03
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MaxxBot posted:"Poor and conservative" describes a ton of minority voters as well, they just generally don't vote for Republicans for obvious reasons. I'll have you know that all minorities are woke as hell, in fact the majority of Latinos and black people that don't support gay marriage is all a right wing conspiracy
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MaxxBot posted:Do you realize that a majority is required to win elections? If that was true Trump would not be president right now.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:06
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MaxxBot posted:You are literally suggesting that we should write off like 50% of the voting population the failures of the left have driven the rise of nationalistic populism. the neoliberal left has preached identity politics for so long that it has collapsed under its own promises. it has forgotten the core set of radical values that gave it strength. it has tried to act as a moderate faction that compromises on everything and agrees on nothing. we cannot make consumption ethical - it doesn't work like that. who were the counter protestors when MLK marched? or when unions demanded a 40 hour work week? do those counter protestors make it to our history books? write them off and start anew so that the left can be strengthened.
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what is this with the "neoliberal left" thing, like *morphs into old woman from car insurance commercial* that's not how any of this works *morphs back into self* you big dumbo *morphs into firework, explodes beautifully*
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call to action posted:I'll have you know that all minorities are woke as hell, in fact the majority of Latinos and black people that don't support gay marriage is all a right wing conspiracy yeah lol the Republicans could sweep on every level if they'd leave the racism behind and just wig about gays and taxes but they haven't because most of their voters are just huge racists go figure
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call to action posted:I'll have you know that all minorities are woke as hell, in fact the majority of Latinos and black people that don't support gay marriage is all a right wing conspiracy Some good news on that front, pretty sure that doesn't apply to Latinos anymore. Still a lot of conservatives though that you definitely would not want to write off.
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dk2m posted:remove your pity for those who are poor but are conservative - they believe nothing in the ideas of liberty and egalitarianism. they are the enemy as they keep in power those that destroy labor. YEAH THAT'S IT. KILL THEM ALL BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THEIR PEROSNAL POLITICS. THAT'S THE TICKET. PURGE LIKE STALIN! ... Seriously. Seek mental help. That's the sort of talk I'd expect from a psychopath.
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hey it's me, your friendly neighborhood leftist who loves capitalism. don't believe your parents when they say I don't exist, because I really do. now please climb down into the sewers and live with me here.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:13
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call to action posted:Go ahead and explain why you think that's a false equivalency, I'd like to be entertained one is a member of a majority group that faces almost little to no backlash in the courts of law. not to mention the tacit approval of powerful individuals depending on where he's from. Ask me how i know! (hint - ive dealt with it) the other is some sort of nebulous black thief, not sure what you want from me here
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Mar 29, 2017 21:14
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FuzzySkinner posted:YEAH THAT'S IT. KILL THEM ALL BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THEIR PEROSNAL POLITICS. THAT'S THE TICKET. PURGE LIKE STALIN! did i say kill them all? nope, just that we shouldn't show them pity or compromise. i am not concerned of their well being as they are not of mine.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:15
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dk2m posted:one is a member of a majority group that faces almost little to no backlash in the courts of law. not to mention the tacit approval of powerful individuals depending on where he's from. Ask me how i know! (hint - ive dealt with it) so there's no such thing as a black thief, but all poor whites are burning crosses on their lawn?
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imo people don't deserve to be poor and oppressed, not even if they have white skin or embrace political opinions I disapprove of
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my current left-wing project is to finish this installation and maintenance manual so people don't immediately drown or die of exposure if their boat catches fire
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dk2m posted:did i say kill them all? nope, just that we shouldn't show them pity or compromise. i am not concerned of their well being as they are not of mine. you sure like othering people edit: wait, have you actually ever met anyone outside your immediate group home? gobbagool fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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dk2m posted:did i say kill them all? nope, just that we shouldn't show them pity or compromise. i am not concerned of their well being as they are not of mine. Really? Because I've actually interacted with these human beings before and there's a lot of evidence to the contrary. I'm in no way a "privileged" person, but I can tell you on a personal level these people are concerned for my well being and the well being's of others. Perhaps stop thinking of people as groups, and rather think of them as individuals? Just a thought.
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Main Paineframe posted:imo people don't deserve to be poor and oppressed, not even if they have white skin or embrace political opinions I disapprove of No one deserves that. We can argue about means to alleviate the problem, but at least we can agree that there IS a problem, and it needs to be solved. There's never going to be an end to poverty, but we can at least make for drat sure that no one dies from lack of medical care in this richest goddamn country on the face of the earth.
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dk2m posted:one is a member of a majority group that faces almost little to no backlash in the courts of law. not to mention the tacit approval of powerful individuals depending on where he's from. Ask me how i know! (hint - ive dealt with it) Yeah I definitely want to know more about the powerful individuals you know and how they're linked to the KKK. Dead serious.
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I now see the light. People were just expressing their personal opinions when they voted for Donald J. Trump and are in no way culpable for all the insane, hosed up poo poo that is going to befall people around the globe. It's my duty to spend all day wringing my hands about the poor racists that will be adversely affected by their own willful ignorance and malice.
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call to action posted:Yeah I definitely want to know more about the powerful individuals you know and how they're linked to the KKK. Dead serious. he read it in a john grisham book and it made him mad
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A New Dad posted:I now see the light. People were just expressing their personal opinions when they voted for Donald J. Trump and are in no way culpable for all the insane, hosed up poo poo that is going to befall people around the globe. It's my duty to spend all day wringing my hands about the poor racists that will be adversely affected by their own willful ignorance and malice. insane, hosed up poo poo has befallen people around the globe every day for over a century as a result of American policies and also the policies of many other countries, organizations, and entities sparking wars and misery in the middle east is something the US has been doing since the 40s, and I guarantee that you have voted at one point for a politician that at least tacitly supported that
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Main Paineframe posted:insane, hosed up poo poo has befallen people around the globe every day for over a century as a result of American policies if he's voted at all, ever, in american presidential election, he's voted for the US as continuing hegemon. Even History's Greatest Monster Jimmy Carter spent hundreds of billions on defense and imperialism
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Main Paineframe posted:insane, hosed up poo poo has befallen people around the globe every day for over a century as a result of American policies Bingo. That whole poo poo show that befell the middle east and has led us to being at war all the time? thank the loving CIA backing coups propping up oppressive dictators
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Main Paineframe posted:insane, hosed up poo poo has befallen people around the globe every day for over a century as a result of American policies This would make sense if I had voted for people whose platform and campaign rhetoric was "do insane hosed up things".
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A New Dad posted:This would make sense if I had voted for people whose platform and campaign rhetoric was "do insane hosed up things". So you did it out of ignorance and that's better because...? I don't get the "as long as I didn't *care* that we killed a million Iraqis for no reason, it's totally ethically defensible" mindset tbqh
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call to action posted:So you did it out of ignorance and that's better because...? Ok I'll make it simple for you. Donald Trump campaigned on promises to expel millions of people from the country without any concern for due process or consequences to those being deported and their families, murder the families of "terrorists", etc... If you don't see how that's different than voting for someone whose platform is focused on domestic issues and vague notions of 'national security', then all i have to say to you is 
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A New Dad posted:Ok I'll make it simple for you. Donald Trump campaigned on promises to expel millions of people from the country without any concern for due process or consequences to those being deported and their families, murder the families of "terrorists", etc... If you don't see how that's different than voting for someone whose platform is focused on domestic issues and vague notions of 'national security', then all i have to say to you is The US has been involved in some really horrible stuff. Deporting a bunch of people seems minor. Donald Trump is human-scale evil. Take the visa thing. That ruined a bunch of people's vacations. Some people probably lost jobs over it. That sucks. It's lovely in a way that we can comprehend. We see those people on TV. We can understand how they must feel. The status quo is cosmic-horror scale evil. Like the Iraq war. Estimates are 500k - 1 million dead. The horror was so huge that we have to estimate the dead. The corpse pile is so deep that we can't know if there's an extra Vermont worth of bodies in it. Our brains just can't process stuff on that scale. So they flinch away. And you get Cheney, murderer tens-of-thousands of times over, going on TV to say how Trump is bad. Because Cheney has moral authority. It's hard to believe that anyone is really doing the cold calculation of which president will add the fewest bodies to the endless corpse pit. And I could see reasonable people disagreeing. Maybe Clinton's hawkishness will save net lives. Maybe Trump's incompetence will gum up the military-industrial complex's attempts to find the next war. But, which ever way you come down, stuff like, "murder the families of some terorrists" or "gently caress with some vacations" seems like rounding error. It's symbolically important. But it's just not on the same order-of-magnitude as "which president is least-likely to get us into another war with 100s of thousands of dead?"
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falcon2424 posted:Maybe Clinton's hawkishness will save net lives.
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I've always wanted an Iraq War memorial that listed the lives of everyone who died. A giant black wall full of the names of people who all died in that stupid war that we started for no reason and had no idea what to do when we fought it. Names and names and names and names and names
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Grondoth posted:I've always wanted an Iraq War memorial that listed the lives of everyone who died. A giant black wall full of the names of people who all died in that stupid war that we started for no reason and had no idea what to do when we fought it. Names and names and names and names and names *cnn debate audience applauds*
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A New Dad posted:Ok I'll make it simple for you. Donald Trump campaigned on promises to expel millions of people from the country without any concern for due process or consequences to those being deported and their families, murder the families of "terrorists", etc... If you don't see how that's different than voting for someone whose platform is focused on domestic issues and vague notions of 'national security', then all i have to say to you is Sorry you're too dumb to understand the dogwhistling, I guess? "national security" has meant bombing random foreigners for American profit for a century and a half, and deporting people who can legally be deported at any time for any reason isn't the drastic departure from existing policy you imagine it to be
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Main Paineframe posted:Sorry you're too dumb to understand the dogwhistling, I guess? If Trump is bad does that make Clinton automatically good?
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filthy poors in open street find me something good to eat -a goblin scout
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resar posted:If Trump is bad does that make Clinton automatically good? They're both bad Along with every other president
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Main Paineframe posted:Sorry you're too dumb to understand the dogwhistling, I guess? Maybe you should loving try a little hard to comprehend what was actually written, or just keep wailing on that strawman. I don't really give a gently caress, I just wanted to snark about how loving retarded you are with your "but it's just personal opinions!!" line of reasoning. suck my dick.
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Yeah you really won that exchange
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as an aside I think it's astounding that there are ppl on this forum and probably itt who take it as axiomatic that people on the trans spectrum or w/e are inherently repulsive, while simultaneously not getting how someone can hate poor people nobody likes poor people, including a lot of poor people; poor people constantly need financial help, dress and eat poorly, are less healthy, less educated, etc etc etc liberals hate poor people for the same reason everybody else does, which is that many of them are repellent; liberals are just more forthright about it because they're more concerned with aesthetics than socialists and the far right, and they have fewer other people to spread their hate around to (whereas the us far right, for example, hates pretty much everybody including each other). the foundation of social science is the belief that we're products of our environment, and study after study after study has shown that poverty has negative consequences on basically every physical and mental quality of a human being here's the punchline tho: this is precisely why nobody deserves to live in poverty this is why you become a leftist in the first place, why you fight for economic justice, etc because poverty is loving gross and inhumane, and the myth that it's somehow ennobling and aggrandizing is one of the vilest lies in american mythology in other words, turn their hatred of poor people into passion for economic justice lmao
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