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call to action posted:Also Cuban women are loving gorgeous blends of like every race, sorry no objectify. Hybrid vigor indeed. this is what always confused me about eugenecists. you supposedly want to improve the genetic quality of man, and you got all these different races that are supposedly so genetically different. so why hide from hybrid vigor. oh yeah, it's actually racism with bullshit science sprinkled on top
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services  grand bargain both love cuts
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That Robot posted:lol they aren't the ones trying to cut social services what is the point of a dem party that loves cutting social services? especially when those services are already cut to the bone? wasn't it the idiot dems who gambled a poo poo ton of budget cuts on the sequestration bullshit? isn't that stuff still in effect, cept the republicans weaseled out of their half?
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MaxxBot posted:Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away. this is my fear. that dems are happy to go hand in hand with repubs into a future like that cause they got all their rich friends and celebrities with them in paradise you could also say, they kinda already have...
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Main Paineframe posted:turns out poor people are overwhelmingly non-white and yet when i argued for economic justice during the election, i was told it wouldn't help PoC frequently
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Main Paineframe posted:well, that's stupid. either that, or you're stupid a lot of people went stupid during the election, cause they had to rationalize voting for abuela and 90% of her policies were loving dumb
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Mar 25, 2017 18:37
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FuzzySkinner posted:i know his background kinda contradicts this, but when's the last time you've heard a Dem champion FDR and his legacy? that makes me wanna vomit bad dems are disgusting 
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Cyberpunk Magacorp CEO that comes after she joins the GOP and runs as trump term 3
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FuzzySkinner posted:That article is stunning in how they destroyed everything. if mcgovern was the child of the clintonista wave, then why do they hate him so much?
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White Rock posted:Nice I was about to quote this myself lol So sick and tired of people claiming that there is no conflict between working class and the "coalition" outlined here. Clear as day, they abandoned labour and now they are paying for it. [/quote] It also answers the "where has the left been while we've been falling apart?" question centrists love so much. We were locked out of the party.
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Azathoth posted:Someone once said, perhaps on these forums, that the reason that the public gets pissed at each party is different. where's the public option? why didn't obama protest with unions when scott walker was busting them?
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Not a Step posted:Obviously the best solution is to relieve economic hardship so that 'poorbrains' don't need to struggle for basic needs (although even then assistance transitioning to long term planning would *still* be valuable). But given that the organizations involved here don't have secret FULL COMMUNISM NOW levers the best they can do is manage a lovely situation and try to take some of the sting out of poverty as best they can. They are trying to come up with the way to have the highest impact for the most people with not a lot of money or influence. Cognitive therapy and better plans for social workers are relatively cheap interventions that can pay huge dividends. If these organizations had the money to provide real security to people they would, but they don't, so they're doing what they can with what they have. Don't attack people for trying. once these guys finish making people able to survive worse and worse poverty, the problem of poverty will be considered solved. so no, they shouldn't be thanked for working hard to make poor people better able to receive abuse
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Apr 20, 2017 09:42
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Not a Step posted:You're being incredibly dumb. These people have absolutely no power to make poor people be not poor, but they can help make being poor suck slightly less. and they're only being allowed to do that cause it allows the rich to abuse the poor even more hooray capitalism, perverting possibly good developments into the tools of satan!
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Apr 20, 2017 09:51
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Not a Step posted:Patient: I have cancer and it hurts to just be alive. ftfy
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rudatron posted:Guys, take a step back. i don't think research into making crushing poverty more liveable is particularly good at this moment. i mean, in theory the kind of psychiatric treatments that would stem from such research could be useful, but in reality it will just be used to further oppress people and suppress deserved backlashes the prime interest in research like that nowadays is from the capitalist class that would love to have a pill they could mix into our food that makes us stop demanding living wages and healthcare Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:But neither you nor I have the power to choose between these schemes and real economic security. They're better than nothing, so I'm not going to complain that they merely exist. They're just not a substitute for real social change. That's the way they should be seen. actually i think it's worse than nothing cause it won't be used to help people who are suffering from economic insecurity, but rather to numb them to it so the capitalist class can inflict even worse economic conditions on them.
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Not a Step posted:Framing *is* super important. I see important research and social programs that can be applied to help relieve or at least ameliorate some of the symptoms of poverty and materially improve lives, especially by helping children build resiliency and bridge the word gap. Its very attractive because it potentially offers a lot of impact for a relatively low investment, which is great because anti-poverty nonprofits aren't exactly rolling in cash. Others see a way to cop out of addressing systemic economic inequality by claiming poverty really isn't so bad and can be 'solved' through science voodoo. I really, really, really hate that kind of person, almost as much as I hate the people who believe that if we can't fix everything we should instead fix nothing. why do you hate that person? are they wrong that such research would be very tempting to use that way in today's political climate? it just looks to me like the succor this research would offer to the poor will just be used to inflict even more nightmarish poverty than before, instead of actually being used to improve the lot of the poor Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 10:12
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rudatron posted:I think you're over-estimating the effect of these schemes. Anti-depressants don't make you mindless slaves, easily manipulated or whatever. That's not an actual side effect. i don't think i posted anything about mind-control pills
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Not a Step posted:I sometimes forget that unironic accelerationism is a thing. Well. Best of luck I guess. Hail Satan. i don't think i ever advocated accelerationism either the capitalists who continually exploit the poor more and more are accelerating the US to its destruction yes, but I don't support them. I could claim the researchers in this case are, but they probably actually think they're working to help people, not working to help capitalists exploit people even more. Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:So there's this tendency, in some quarters, to think that you have to overturn everything to start the process of change. The assumption being that everything that comes before has embedded within the social conditions that created it, ie "the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house". i mean, i'd be in favor of it if it were actually used to help people adapt and survive to current levels of poverty. or basically, if it was used only to benefit the lives of the poor. but just like antibiotics are wildly abused to have animals able to survive long enough for harvesting in nightmarish conditions, i'm afraid this research will be abused (and is only being funded) to introduce new nightmarish levels of poverty to the lower classes. what makes you think the poor will even have time to scheme and plot when they have to work nearly every second of their lives just to be able to survive, and have a pill mixed into their food that makes that kind of existence bearable?
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Alpha Mayo posted:I'm not denying this research could be useful in a "life after poverty" scenario, but am very skeptical it can do any good for people living in poverty. It isn't pathologically wrong to only being concerned about your immediate survival when that is what is at stake.  it seems like it would be good for lifting up people out of poverty in addition to bolstering their economic security
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rudatron posted:Condiv, do you know where the 'robot' comes from? It comes from a play called Rossum's Universal Robots. But the play doesn't describe mechanical men. The 'robots' in the play are more similar to something like clones. But they have one feature - they don't feel pain. Because of this, they make ideal slaves, and that's what they're used for. hmm well if a play says this will be good then....
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rudatron posted:Like I said, It's not for a lack of 'pain' that positive social change is difficult. Plenty of people are already hurting. As long as people can recognize their interests, and how that interest is shared with people in a similar situation, revolution is always possible, and nothing here is going to change that. things seem to be changing cause more and more people are hurting though. like bernie sanders was not a super popular politician till last year, and people are casting off their traditional leaders for outsiders. imo, that change is cause of the pain, but if you have another explanation i'm open to hearing it
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Hodgepodge posted:It's less that the pain is being felt more acutely and more that it is being felt by those who are already empowered. quote:things seem to be changing cause more and more people are hurting though note that I said that it's cause more people are hurting, not that the poor are suddenly politically active cause they're hurting more. people in poverty have already been pushing for change cause their lives suck, they just got an influx of allies in people that were middle-class before that are now finding themselves sliding into poverty too.
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Talmonis posted:Democrats didn't prosecute criminal bankers the multitude of times they violated the laws these 8 years? Clearly they must be just Republicans in disguise, out to kill the poor. unironically ftfy
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Talmonis posted:To ensure the Supreme Court doesn't fall into a generation of darkness. To keep needed funding for those few programs we have left that help folks survive. To staff vital agencies with the right people for the job, who actually believe in the mission statements of said job. Environmental protection in any way, shape or form. Maintaining global stability, such as it is. Plenty more. no that's why he shouldn't vote for trump. why should he vote for the neoliberal
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mcgovern was stabbed in the back by his own party (a good number of peeps from the dems actually advocated for voting nixon, etc.). hillary had every possible advantage, and still found a way to lose to idiot trump. hillary is the worst dem candidate in history, bar none
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Forums Terrorist posted:Neoliberalism is libertarianism for people who don't want to be publically associated with free markets in children.*
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Main Paineframe posted:was McGovern the one who said he was "one thousand percent" behind his VP who had been getting mental health treatment tbf, mcgovern was p desperate for a VP at this point. as i said, the dem party stabbed him in the back, and part of that was several of his first choices completely refusing to be his veep. too bad the dems were more concerned with making sure the radical hippie doesn't win and decided to help nixon instead of their own candidate
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since when has this thread been in D&D?
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SimonCat posted:And the Democratic party was hand in hand with passing NAFTA and rolling back protections in the name of compromise. If the Democrats don't protect a worker's livelihood, and otherwise have different values and norms, what do they offer? can't wait for time travel to exist so we can have temporal immigrant workers "us from 15 years ago took our jobs!!!"
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SimonCat posted:Not sure what you're getting at here. not actually getting at anything, it was just a joke Typo posted:it's a south park reference i think south park did do that didn't they... Condiv fucked around with this message at 20:01 on May 1, 2017 |
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