gobbagool posted:

You know, i can almost see the sneer on your stupid face when you type things like this. What economic system actually works on it's merits, or for that matter, what system of human interaction works on merits versus "a nepotistic ring of interlocking elite network, access to specialized.... blah blah blah loving blah"? Certainly not any kind of communist government, or whatever fringe retarded marxist philosophy splinter group you angrily cling to.

gobbagool posted:

So socialists are comfortable with nepotism and so on, thanks

gobbagool posted:

Oh, my sweet summer child.

gobbagool posted:

Or, you know, observe the world as it actually works versus what this super rad marxist comic book said it would be like once capitalism was vanquished once and for all. I mean it said it was going to happen any day now, I think the word they used was 'inevitable'. Since you're the resident super historian though, perhaps you can show an actual example of 'socialism' where it works like you imagine it to. Something bigger than your tree fort club, if you please.

gobbagool posted:

Yeah, I shop at one on occassion, or used to before we moved. What's your point? that's a more wholesome or natural way of selling groceries?

gobbagool posted:

huh? where did I say that? my point is that no system of human interaction is immune from interhuman relationships and influence. any system or philosophy that states otherwise is the most idiotic sort of contrarianism. For example: "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" which is a swell idea but has never happened anywhere ever outside of pener's anime

gobbagool posted:

Um, no, you said:


to which I replied that every single system of human interaction is prone to nepotism and 'interlocking elite networks'

I get that you're dumb but this isnt that complex.

gobbagool posted:

yeah sorry kind of a wordy way of saying...communists, especially of the anime internet variety, seem overly fond of pointing out the flaws in capitalism while refusing to acknowledge their system sucks even worse, but for the exact same reason, which is the human beings will almost always do the wrong thing if it means helping out a friend or otherwise connected associate, be it done under the banner of Adam Smith or Vladimir Illyich Lenin. Pener, as someone who claims to have a history degree, should be able to acknowledge this, or alternatively, provide an example to the contrary from the vast number of successful communist societies.

gobbagool posted:

Yes cuba and north korea are surely preferable to living in Germany or the US and if you think otherwise I suggest you read das kapital again until you understand

gobbagool posted:

What makes you and your fellow travellers think that life in Cuba is so great though?

gobbagool posted:

cuba - noted 'other capitalist country' has provided over 1.1m refugees to the United States. my god you're as bad as borneo jimmy

quote:

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
After four decades of rapid growth, the size of the Mexican immigrant population in the United States has remained stable in recent years. In 2014, more than 11.7 million Mexican immigrants resided in the United States, accounting for 28 percent of the 42.4 million foreign-born population—by far the largest immigrant origin group in the country.

Between 2006 and 2010, the number of Mexican immigrants increased by 200,000 compared to the more than 2 million who arrived in the five years prior (see Figure 1). Following this trend, in the last decade and a half, the Mexican share among all immigrants dropped from 29.5 percent in 2000 to 27.6 percent in 2014.

Condiv posted:

this is what always confused me about eugenecists. you supposedly want to improve the genetic quality of man, and you got all these different races that are supposedly so genetically different. so why hide from hybrid vigor.

oh yeah, it's actually racism with bullshit science sprinkled on top

gobbagool posted:

so the heart of your anger at capitalism is that you're bad at it, noted

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

the poor are still poor because they just haven't applied themselves enough.

Thoguh posted:

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Does gobbagool claim to be a liberal? I thought he was a Republican.

gobbagool posted:

No, i would never claim to be a liberal, even in jest. some things are beyond the pale and should not even be joked about

Main Paineframe posted:

the Dems tried to expand Medicare and spend money on infrastructure and poo poo

Republicans blocked it because they are ideologically opposed to helping the poor

no one cares, though, so LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS

Lastgirl posted:

if the democrats are willing compromise and consort with the republicans who are morally opposed because in their brokebrain that makes them the moral high horse then that must mean

liberals are secret republicans?

mysterious frankie posted:

I didn't say it was because they "hate Jesus"; it's because choosing Jesus as your savior, just like total despair, is analogous with denying the secular savior that buoys liberal spirits. Jesus isn't going to save me- I can't even buy a Jesus! Having wifi on my toaster, however, now that's concrete proof that things are getting better and we'll all be ok in a future Star Trek world. It's evidence that I'm not making a fundamental mistake.

Plenty of liberals believe in Jesus too, they just don't think he's going to save them in a material sense; poor people hold out hope that he (and by extension politicians that like him) will, because who else is gonna?

MaxxBot posted:

Even this is quickly becoming less true because the middle class is eroding away.

gobbagool posted:

you spent like 5 posts earlier extolling the virtues of cuba and how much better it is than the US. i mean, if you're trolling, fine, but i have you pegged more for garden variety che tshirt wearing idiot than troll

gobbagool posted:

so then it was good when the US stopped doing that to cuba, right?

MaxxBot posted:

You are literally suggesting that we should write off like 50% of the voting population

Do you realize that a majority is required to win elections?

comedyblissoption posted:

npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network.

the trump tutelage posted:

Egalitarianism is cool and good, I just love the paternalist proto-wokeness of deciding that the ideal coalition in opposition to the forces of anti-egalitarian traditionalism circa 1975 is wealthy, college-educated whites and [all black people]. Like play that out and it's no loving surprise that Hillary "superpredator" Clinton is a Democrat darling.

Top City Homo posted:

a larger pituitary gland overwhelms their meager capacity for critical thinking and increases their aversion to change

we must civilize these savages

Ytlaya posted:

Hahahaha this is pretty much the most liberal thing ever. Liberals get wet to the idea of fixing poverty with ~elegant~ solutions involving science/technology that don't actually require any significant material sacrifice on the part of the wealthy. Their mindset is more or less "I genuinely want to fix poverty, but we should hold off on things like significant tax increases because maybe there's a better more elegant solution!" It's basically a rationalization to paper over what is essentially a selfish fear of losing their current privileged status.

Not a Step posted:

You're being incredibly dumb. These people have absolutely no power to make poor people be not poor, but they can help make being poor suck slightly less.

Not a Step posted:

You could also do your civic duty and take up arms to bring the capitalist to their knees Comrade. The Revolution is waiting on you.

Azathoth posted:

I follow politics and I am still having trouble understanding what people mean when they say "neoliberal", because some of the time it means "whatever the person thinks Hillary would have theoretically stood for if she'd won" and sometimes it is "warhawk populist Democrat" and sometimes it is "capitalist Democrat" and so statements like that just end up being meaningless to me.

Azathoth posted:

Aside from maybe McGovern in 1972, you're right.

Azathoth posted:

Yeah, the responses on that pretty much sum it up. However, I should have also included that some people use it like "hipster", to mean some kind of insufferable person.

Gonna still stand by it being utterly meaningless, at least until someone actually comes out and proudly calls themselves neoliberal and owns the label.