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Hodgepodge
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we should all hate this thread instead

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yeah, you'll pick up those voters who totally won't look for the first excuse to vote R and you won't lose any of your base trying to pander to them or anything

look we know you fuckers want to be republicans without the nasty race and sex bits so maybe do us a favour and join up so a real alternative can form

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gobbagool posted:

You know, i can almost see the sneer on your stupid face when you type things like this. What economic system actually works on it's merits, or for that matter, what system of human interaction works on merits versus "a nepotistic ring of interlocking elite network, access to specialized.... blah blah blah loving blah"? Certainly not any kind of communist government, or whatever fringe retarded marxist philosophy splinter group you angrily cling to.

That would be projection.

Capitalism barely pretends to be a meritocracy in practice. Attend any job search program and they hammer in the point that most positions aren't advertised and require networking to access. That's the polite way of saying that success is based in nepotism.

Hodgepodge
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this thread is D&D as gently caress and should be moved there

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Rangpur posted:

As someone who voted for Clinton in the general election, can confirm I have a mania for devouring the flesh and blood of the depressed, Rust Belt masses that borders on the sexual.

It didn't start out that way, of course. I was at the local Starbucks' Chablis-&-Transgender-Awareness event when someone passed me an especially chewy canappe. On closer inspection, the filling was an arthritic thumb with the peculiar piquancy one only gets from a life of hard but honest toil in a UAW certified auto plant. Naturally I threw it away but by that point I had already swallowed half of it. I was unable to purge the savory but immoral morsel lest my vomit splattering on the encircling transgenders be taken as an expression of distaste for their gender identification. Looking back it was there that I was damned to neoliberalism, choosing to taint myself with the stolen vitae of a humble unemployed factory worker rather than risk the censure of my peer group.

TO BE CONTINUED

i want to hear more, which certainly is not an indication of my own craving for the red blood of midwestern americans

Hodgepodge
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It sounds like they've proven that a) poverty affects the brain and one's ability to escape the stresses it creates and b) a personalized coaching team can give you the support you need to escape.

:geno:

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Not a Step posted:

This is why early childhood intervention is so incredibly important, and also why poverty tends to be a generational issue. Aside from the permanent brain changes and maladaptive decision making caused by growing up with extreme stress poor kids tend to have enormous word gaps and delayed development. That hampers those kids from succeeding later in life. Rinse repeat when they have kids.

Its also why policy aimed at increasing economic stability is so incredibly important, and why the woke lords insisting they can hold out for a perfect solution that is tailored to them are so incredibly loving dumb. Kids can't get their childhood back. Undoing the damage later in life is vastly more difficult and costly.

E: There were people on this very forum genuinely arguing that economic justice policies that helped white people at all should be rejected because they supported white supremacy. Like, how do you respond to that in a rational manner?

It doesn't count as woke if you don't get to play great white saviour

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Condiv posted:

things seem to be changing cause more and more people are hurting though. like bernie sanders was not a super popular politician till last year, and people are casting off their traditional leaders for outsiders. imo, that change is cause of the pain, but if you have another explanation i'm open to hearing it

It's less that the pain is being felt more acutely and more that it is being felt by those who are already empowered.

People who are already in poverty generally don't have that much time and energy for politics, and associating an increase in their economic pain with political action is a good sign you might be a privileged rear end in a top hat.

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Talmonis posted:

Same.

Related; What's with the idea that anyone who isn't a flag waving Red being a Liberal? A lot of ya'll are taking positions from Goldwater Republicans to Moderate Dems, and tarring the poo poo out of liberals with them. Democrats didn't magic Full Communism Now into existance? Clearly they must be just Republicans in disguise, out to kill the poor.

It's necessary to accurately identify liberalism as an ideology distinct from socialism, communism, etc. What you are objecting to is simply a return to the classical use of the term to indicate utopian capitalism. This is good, because using it as a synonym for "progressive" has stifled diversity within the Left while enabling the efforts of the Right to tar all progressives with the same brush.

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Talmonis posted:

Surely the American Socialist (or Green, or Whomever) party will make mass gains in the coming elections, as The People suddenly realize that they don't need any funding whatsoever to campaign with and sweep elections solely by being right about the problems of the world. The People will definitely reward them for their correctness with votes and loyalty.

Or maybe people will simply be able to identify and organize around actual variations in ideals and preferences within the Democratic Party instead of watching the party wither and die as fewer and fewer actual people are represented by its leadership and an larger portion of its remaining votes are motivated by horror at the Republicans rather than any desire to see its candidates in power.

Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Apr 28, 2017

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Alienwarehouse posted:

You should read this book A Brief History of Neoliberalism: https://www.amazon.ca/Brief-History-Neoliberalism-David-Harvey/dp/0199283273

From the introduction:



tlrd; Neoliberalism is the belief that the free market is God; an intangible benevolent being which will bless us with its omniscient and omnipotent wisdom if we merely shed its light in every corner of society.

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Not a Step posted:

Whats amazing about that quote is that she hits the nail perfectly on the head, identifying exactly the segment of Trump supporters who could be appealed to with a little effort, and then proceeded to continue ignoring and failing to empathize with 'the other basket' for the entire election. And, of course, the quote displays the usual Hillary tactic of insulting and attacking a broad swathe of people first, thus tainting everything that comes after it.

eh around here we're guilty of all this too

it's difficult not to lust for death in this era of unmattering

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