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The Muppets On PCP posted:hey look at that, the employment rate of prime working age men in rural areas is significantly lower than everywhere else, and unemployment among the same cohort has risen in cities because that's where those people are moving This will surely continue forever under the guidance of our God Emperor.
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Mar 23, 2017 03:43
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did anyone link the dead mall series videos yet because they're superb in the most depressing kind of way
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Mar 23, 2017 03:45
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first they came for the down towns and no one said anything then they came for the malls
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Mar 23, 2017 04:27
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If retail goes down then the US is in deep poo poo employment wise, don't celebrate the death of malls. Chain stores are going to have to buy into the Amazon Go system just to stay afloat, because that then means they can start laying people off.
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Mar 23, 2017 05:39
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Doorknob Slobber posted:first they came for the down towns and no one said anything Good news! It turns out that even depressed downtowns are way more financially productive than malls: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/7/13/the-shopping-mall-death-spiral
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rudatron posted:If retail goes down then the US is in deep poo poo employment wise, don't celebrate the death of malls. I still celebrate it because the coming unemployment crisis gonna force us to adapt better economic policies or destroy us.
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pig slut lisa posted:Good news! It turns out that even depressed downtowns are way more financially productive than malls: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/7/13/the-shopping-mall-death-spiral huh its almost as if people want a rustic and quaint shopping experience now~
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they turned one of the malls i used to frequent as a teenager into a fuckin aquarium of all things rofl
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Lastgirl posted:huh its almost as if people want a rustic and quaint shopping experience now~ Also I don't know about you but I rarely want to be in a large building with a bunch of people I don't know with exits I can't immediately reach.
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rudatron posted:If retail goes down then the US is in deep poo poo employment wise, don't celebrate the death of malls. counterpoint: good.
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anime was right posted:as a teenager the mall was basically the only thing to do besides drugs and loitering so rip I thought those things were the whole point of the mall. jarofpiss posted:they can go work in the amazon warehouse mines At least they won't have to deal with crazy shoppers who ask for the impossible and then complain to the manager when they didn't get it the second they asked.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I still celebrate it because the coming unemployment crisis gonna force us to adapt better economic policies or destroy us.
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Mar 23, 2017 10:34
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I guarantee you the death of retail as employment will be blamed on 'high wages'/'lazy millenials', and the minimum wage will just get cut
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my local dead mall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-8uX4WM7fw it's not that it's a bad area (the bigger, more established and much more successful mall is a mile away) they just got hosed over 20 times over in it's 20 years and those old k-mart tapes with muzak are a must listen
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Mar 23, 2017 10:52
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financially racist posted:they turned one of the malls i used to frequent as a teenager into a fuckin aquarium of all things rofl Rotterdam square? To be fair, only a small part of it, and since then occupancy has risen. Still sad but less so
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Badger of Basra posted:so do you think the government should be subsidizing malls as a jobs program or what more importantly, are online goods retailers such as amazon even better to begin with?
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abandoned malls will probably be reclaimed by squatters like a somehow even more depressing version of dawn of the dead
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Hodgepodge posted:abandoned malls will probably be reclaimed by squatters like a somehow even more depressing version of dawn of the dead Corey Doctorow did this in one of his novels where 2 dudes basically made the mall into their giant maker workshop and did some cool poo poo. Then they moved to a hollowed out walmart and it was competing with Disney World somehow? idk it got weird and sorta unrealistic in some places but I liked the idea of two dudes just making an RC car out of a hundred tickle me elmos in a dead mall.
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I lived near Evergreen Mall, "America's First Indoor Mall" Evergreen Park, right next to Chicago, growing up. I was told by my older relatives that they had some kind of conveyor belt around the back where they would take your stuff directly to your car. Seemed cool, but by the time I was old enough to go unattended all the music stores were "urban" and The Plaza (also known as The Place, The Plaza is The Place) was on a downward spiral of stores bailing. Nothing really for a white kid unless I wanted to go full-on poser, I was not the targeted demo at all for the remaining stores. I saw The Matrix there because the theater didn't card. Some good memories at The Place. I kind of miss the mall. Kind of. Hey, guys. Let's go to the mall... today. EDIT: Why the gently caress won't it let me put a clever video in via hyperlink? EDIT2 Fixed it, gently caress you Copy/Paste, work the regular way please. CAPT. Rainbowbeard has issued a correction as of 14:26 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Most of the malls in my area (Northern Virginia) are basically being torn down for the new "Town-center" model. Basically a mini city in the middle of suburbia that host apartments/condo/business in high raises so people can park, work in the area, walk around when its nice, and in general experience city life while still having a house a couple of miles away. Not sure what the population threshold needs to be in order to make this work in other areas but it could be a semi-decent replacement for local business. One of the biggest mall in the area (has Prince Charles and Princess Diana visit it back in 1985) that died in 2012 has been reborn as this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Town_Center
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:I lived near Evergreen Mall, "America's First Indoor Mall" Evergreen Park, right next to Chicago, growing up. I was told by my older relatives that they had some kind of conveyor belt around the back where they would take your stuff directly to your car. Seemed cool, but by the time I was old enough to go unattended all the music stores were "urban" and The Plaza (also known as The Place, The Plaza is The Place) was on a downward spiral of stores bailing. Nothing really for a white kid unless I wanted to go full-on poser, I was not the targeted demo at all for the remaining stores. I saw The Matrix there because the theater didn't card. Some good memories at The Place. "tory" and "sorry" don't rhyme unless you're some kind of degenerate brit. that's terrible, I hope tiffany got royalties from that
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BexGu posted:Most of the malls in my area (Northern Virginia) are basically being torn down for the new "Town-center" model. Basically a mini city in the middle of suburbia that host apartments/condo/business in high raises so people can park, work in the area, walk around when its nice, and in general experience city life while still having a house a couple of miles away. Not sure what the population threshold needs to be in order to make this work in other areas but it could be a semi-decent replacement for local business. So the "new" model is just the "old" model before the malls and big box stores destroyed it?
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GlyphGryph posted:So the "new" model is just the "old" model before the malls and big box stores destroyed it? Probably. Turns out everything is a cycle given enough time. There are still Big Box stores around the area so it not like they have completely gone away.
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Badger of Basra posted:so do you think the government should be subsidizing malls as a jobs program or what This is pretty much my point too Like you can worry about the trends and macroeconomic effects and poo poo, but the destruction of malls and some big box stores and those idiotic malls that are just a bunch of big box stores separated by massive parking lots, and these places are dumb and awful, and them going away is a good thing Think of that, something good happening in 2017
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I need to go to the mall today. I will report back w/ information on employment numbers and other musings.
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Everyone should go to Lucenne Mall in "Night in the Woods" and report back, asap.
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When i was in the US i also visited a giant mall and it was one of the most depressing things i have ever seen. i feel so sorry for the kids having to hang out in a loving shopping center.
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financially racist posted:they turned one of the malls i used to frequent as a teenager into a fuckin aquarium of all things rofl The dead mall I used to frequent as a kid is now filled with storefront churches. There is another mall here that is in the process of slowly dying. It's weird because it seems lively and thriving until you walk about half way through it at which point everything just kind of stops. All the stores are vacant, the lights are dim and the only thing that stands out is glow from the entrance to Sears in the distance. That was a couple of years ago so it's probably worse now.
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I will never mourn a dead mall
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BexGu posted:Most of the malls in my area (Northern Virginia) are basically being torn down for the new "Town-center" model. Basically a mini city in the middle of suburbia that host apartments/condo/business in high raises so people can park, work in the area, walk around when its nice, and in general experience city life while still having a house a couple of miles away. Not sure what the population threshold needs to be in order to make this work in other areas but it could be a semi-decent replacement for local business. My main issues with these is they just add to gentrification
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tadashi posted:My main issues with these is they just add to gentrification the gang that wants to see malls die and cities revived are the same ones that love gentrification and don't give a second thought to what happens to the urban poor in it's wake. it's almost like...liberals dont like poor people
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gobbagool posted:the gang that wants to see malls die and cities revived are the same ones that love gentrification and don't give a second thought to what happens to the urban poor in it's wake. it's almost like...liberals dont like poor people This is incredibly wrong because liberals spent the last several years singing the highest praises of self admitted poor person Hillary Clinton
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Lord of Pie posted:This is incredibly wrong because liberals spent the last several years singing the highest praises of self admitted poor person Hillary Clinton I dont think most of us realize how hard it is to make ends meet when you're only worth $300m
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The_Franz posted:The dead mall I used to frequent as a kid is now filled with storefront churches. The mall I frequented the most was a place called Latham Circle and it just spontaneously collapsed. It had a lot of competition from two other, much larger malls, but it had that competition for a real long time and kept chugging along. Then all the stores just left and the building deteriorated really rapidly, like shockingly so. I went two years after the widespread withdrawal happened and there was just leaky ceilings everywhere, floor tiles were broken, tons of lights were clearly burnt out. Seeing that poo poo made me realize that malls are almost certainly not worth the maintenance costs if they are not at nearly 100% capacity nearly all the time.
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financially racist posted:The mall I frequented the most was a place called Latham Circle and it just spontaneously collapsed. It had a lot of competition from two other, much larger malls, but it had that competition for a real long time and kept chugging along. Then all the stores just left and the building deteriorated really rapidly, like shockingly so. I went two years after the widespread withdrawal happened and there was just leaky ceilings everywhere, floor tiles were broken, tons of lights were clearly burnt out. Seeing that poo poo made me realize that malls are almost certainly not worth the maintenance costs if they are not at nearly 100% capacity nearly all the time. that poo poo's all torn down now and have a bunch of big box stores there, right across the street from latham farms, a whole other big bunch of big box stores
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gobbagool posted:the gang that wants to see malls die and cities revived are the same ones that love gentrification and don't give a second thought to what happens to the urban poor in it's wake. it's almost like...Americans dont like poor people So Americans are the bad guys here
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The malls around here are doing ok, but that's all cause of Canadians. With Trump deciding he wants a strong dollar, I bet everything's going to collapse soon enough.
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Nebakenezzer posted:So Americans are the bad guys here edgy, not what I wrote though. To my actual point, i think you'll find it's not conservatives moving back into the city and forcing poor people out
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Grondoth posted:The malls around here are doing ok, but that's all cause of Canadians. With Trump deciding he wants a strong dollar, I bet everything's going to collapse soon enough. western NY? when the GST was instituted in southern ONT, i was working at a grocery store in Tonawanda NY...called it the "Go shop in Tonawanda" tax
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