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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Nebakenezzer posted:

Really despite the low wage job loss I don't see anyone saying this is a bad thing

They were private poorly thought out copies of public market spaces that stifled dissent in the name of property rights

It's pretty much like newspapers: they will die and not be missed

It's a bad thing because these malls killed Main Street, and now there's nothing left in these towns. Older malls in particular used to bring in a lot of tax money, too, before developers got smart with PIFs and made the shoppers pay for it all.

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Jun 10, 2016

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tadashi posted:

Half of the stores in half of the malls I'm familiar with (the malls in older working class areas) are boutiques owned by first generation immigrant families. They're hosed.

When the malls close, there will be live/work/play developments in their place and everything in those places are corporate owned.

Lol you think that most dead malls are in places that people want to redevelop

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Jun 10, 2016

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The Brown Menace posted:

So everyone is gonna live in a big city? Good.
:demsay:

Yep, and then you get Denver which has absorbed every person with a single shred of will to live within 1,000 miles of crushing rural poverty, pushing the cost of housing even in undesirable areas to stratospheric levels

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Jun 10, 2016

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etalian posted:

Stuff like Amazon prime pretty much destroyed the concept

This isn't all true. The mall supported sectors of apparel, home goods (candles and scents in particular), and other verticals that haven't really recovered to the same extent online. Even today, most people don't buy most of their clothes online. Turns out some things you really do need to see/smell/touch in person.

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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Nebakenezzer posted:

This is pretty much my point too

Like you can worry about the trends and macroeconomic effects and poo poo, but the destruction of malls and some big box stores and those idiotic malls that are just a bunch of big box stores separated by massive parking lots, and these places are dumb and awful, and them going away is a good thing

Think of that, something good happening in 2017

It's cute when people think that when malls die, their ashes fertilize the ground and Small Business and Economic Revitalization grows in its place, instead of an aging partially-collapsed building continuing to mark the city as an economic nothing years after closing

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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Nebakenezzer posted:

So I *can* sign you up for "Mall Aid"

Like seriously what do you want to do about this


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

socialism, duh

But seriously I don't think there is anything to do about this, except repurpose malls as community centers, churches, and call centers where possible. Malls suck and they destroyed Main Street, but I'm always going to have a soft spot for grabbing a pretzel at the mall and buying a new shirt at Structure vs. enriching Jeff Bezos

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Jun 10, 2016

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Fiction posted:

There's no good reason not to turn them into public housing/spaces.

Well besides the "who's going to pay for it, the broke rear end city or the broke rear end state it resides in" question, I agree

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