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But what to do with these ugly concrete hogbuses? How about, like... affordable housing? No, no, no windows that's a terrible idea, come back to me [...] Oh, wait, let's turn them into vast LED hydroponic farms and grow vegetables there. Not sure what to do with the empty acres of parking lots. Maybe just let nature reclaim it
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Really despite the low wage job loss I don't see anyone saying this is a bad thing They were private poorly thought out copies of public market spaces that stifled dissent in the name of property rights It's pretty much like newspapers: they will die and not be missed
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call to action posted:It's a bad thing because these malls killed Main Street, and now there's nothing left in these towns. Older malls in particular used to bring in a lot of tax money, too, before developers got smart with PIFs and made the shoppers pay for it all. Now you say that but do you actually care to save the malls then Because I suspect on some level you're on team Die Malls Die
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Mar 22, 2017 21:45
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Badger of Basra posted:so do you think the government should be subsidizing malls as a jobs program or what This is pretty much my point too Like you can worry about the trends and macroeconomic effects and poo poo, but the destruction of malls and some big box stores and those idiotic malls that are just a bunch of big box stores separated by massive parking lots, and these places are dumb and awful, and them going away is a good thing Think of that, something good happening in 2017
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Mar 23, 2017 15:24
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gobbagool posted:the gang that wants to see malls die and cities revived are the same ones that love gentrification and don't give a second thought to what happens to the urban poor in it's wake. it's almost like...Americans dont like poor people So Americans are the bad guys here
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gobbagool posted:edgy, not what I wrote though. To my actual point, i think you'll find it's not conservatives moving back into the city and forcing poor people out So in your mind malls are not going out of business because they are no longer financially viable, it's because "liberals" Tell me about the time a pack of Prius drivers trashed a Foot Locker in an insidious scheme to speculate on real estate If you want to be a conservative about it you should be cheering "creative destruction" and poo poo call to action posted:It's cute when people think that when malls die, their ashes fertilize the ground and Small Business and Economic Revitalization grows in its place, instead of an aging partially-collapsed building continuing to mark the city as an economic nothing years after closing So I *can* sign you up for "Mall Aid" Like seriously what do you want to do about this
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gobbagool posted:Oh, no, i didn't mean to leave that impression at all. Malls are going out of business because of Amazon.com and to a lesser degree walmart brick and mortar stores. I am a hypocrite in that I don't want malls to go out of business, but I do the vast majority of my non-grocery shopping via amazon Fair enough then. I just felt for a second I had a conservative on the one hand and a liberal on the other calling for mall subsidies or somesuch, and it hurt my brain in a way that I now describe as 'very 2017' call to action posted:But seriously I don't think there is anything to do about this, except repurpose malls as community centers, churches, and call centers where possible. Malls suck and they destroyed Main Street, but I'm always going to have a soft spot for grabbing a pretzel at the mall and buying a new shirt at Structure vs. enriching Jeff Bezos Also fair enough - I can't slag anyone off for being sentimental or nostalgic, god knows Somebody posted that good blog post from that urban development guy a page or two back, and he thought the malls death spiral was in addition to everything else because the con of mall development didn't make financial sense anymore - kinda like a short term trade from more tax revenue with the long term costs being lovely low wage jobs. Kinda like Casinos or something Assuming dude's right - it could mean a change on the municipal level as to how these sorts of projects are viewed, though that sorta change only really sticks via poo poo-tons of pain sadly
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