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One of my favorite things in the world is job requests for free work, either through my own website or Craigslist. Model Mayhem is also great for delusional idiots & wannabes. Similar to the Ideas Guy in bitcoin, everyone has a great opportunity for you, you just need to work for free indefinitely and you'll definitely get paid at some undefined point in the future, or this will turn into a paying job. There's such a fascinating element of hubris to these jerkoffs; they call it an internship even though you're doing everything an employee does, for free. Search your local craigslist gigs section for 'unpaid intern', and see what comes up. Post text or screenshots, most ads get flagged fairly quickly. The other thing to look for is TF/TFP/TFCD, for whatever reason people think this is a magic incantation that gets professionals to work for free. As a sister thread to Assistant Horror Stories, this thread is equal parts ridicule and education because no matter your skill level your work has value, it is them who are wrong. Just because they don't want to pay someone doesn't make it an internship or a good opportunity. The textbook (and legal) definition of an intern is someone who knows absolutely nothing about a profession, is working for free in order to learn, doesn't replace a paid employee and in most cases would be a hindrance to the professional. Any 'internship' where they want you to have expert level skills or professional grade equipment is actually a job, and you should be getting paid for it. I live in the greater NYC area, so this kind of nonsense is endemic to the creative industries, but there's also a lot of exploitation by other creative people. Cannibalizing your own kind is unforgivable. quote:We are a photography studio based in Westchester County shooting over 100 events a year. For a Bat Mitzvah we are shooting on April 1 from 7pm-11pm, the client is not paying for a 2nd shooter but is requesting an intern/apprentice type photographer to come along for added coverage. This is a classic example. They need a second shooter, but they don't want to pay for one, and they're too spineless to demand the client pay for one. But they also need them to be good, hence why they're vetting your portfolio. Guess what, you don't get a second shooter! Or, if you're a huge cynical rear end in a top hat like me, you will apply for this job and play along until you cancel the night before. This is the only way shitlords will learn. quote:Hello! A good red flag is someone who insists on a 'student' anything. Plus, to do a real internship program you have to register with a university and go through an entire application process. 'Instagram fashion blogger' is always a red flag too. Nothing says authentic like hiring someone else to produce all your content for you. My rule of thumb for free work is only if I get complete creative control, it's something I would do anyway, and if it's non commercial. Dalia here is obviously angling to monetize their #brand, that's already a no-go, if they were doing it for fun they wouldn't be trying to get a student to produce professional level posts. Which brings us to creative control: since Dalia wants to tell me exactly what they want and how to do it, that's going to cost them. I'll photograph my macchiato for myself, all day, for free; when someone else wants me to shoot their espresso in line with their #brand identity, get your loving wallet out. quote:I am looking for someone with a passion in photographer who will help me build my instagram account. Must be film, or even digital. I want the pics to have that vibrant grainy effect. Please respond with IG/ website or whatever. If u don't have any of these don't bother responding. quote:Looking for Photographer For Glamgerous (Fashion Blog-Personal Style) It's the same song and dance for all of them: I need ______ but I don't want to pay for it. Once you start to see the common threads, it becomes a fun game of trying to find the point where they're trying to rationalize the Ask: quote:Videographer and Photographer Amateur/Mature quote:Local Buffalo recording artist looking for camera operator with a drone or jib for a 4 hour video shoot January 29, 2017. Location of the video will be near Kleinhans Music Hall in Buffalo,NY. Psst: One of the reasons Jay-Z started Tidal was so artists would get a more fair royalty deal from streaming services  quote:We are a start up offering romantic dinner and cooking classes to couples. We are looking for students and recent grads who are interested in showcasing their work and building their portfolio. quote:Hi, quote:Live Loud Universal is an up and coming full-fledged entertainment company based out of Philadelphia. Live Loud Universal main focus is Artist Management/Development, Promotion, and booking mainly working with hip hop, R&B, Pop artists, Producers, and dancers. Although music is the main focus of our company we also work with film production, fashion designing, graphic designing and more. Our multi-Purpose facility is equipped with a 150 person live venue space, Professional Recording Studio, Photography Studio, Custom Apparel Room and 2 Private offices. These clowns have been reposting this ad for at least 3 years. When I lived in Philadelphia they reached out to me to pitch working for them as an intern, and also that as part of that internship not only was I on-call to shoot their 'artists' for any usage & licensing they wanted for free, they needed a key and 24/7 access to my studio. Which I lived in as a live/work loft space. They were very mad when I laughed & refused, their posts for a few months afterwards included references to Haters Trying To Hold [Them] Back. Also how can you be up & coming and full-fledged at the same time? quote:BÁSICO STUDIOS was founded in Miami and has recently opened a studio in Brooklyn, NYC. I bolded the last line because it's the most important. Weird how they can afford a large studio space in Brooklyn, but don't have a dime to spare for an intern doing the work of a photo assistant and producer! quote:My agent says I need new headshots and I simply don't have the budget...spent everything on Christmas gifts! 1. Never trust a client's estimate of time consumption. 2. All this person is going to tell their friends is 'this photographer will work for free'. 3. Real agencies do not accept portfolio photos from 'somebody off craigslist', they have an in-house photographer, or connections to tried-and-trusted professionals; real actors/models/whoever treat their portfolio as an investment. I've got a million more, but you get the idea. If this thread had a spirit animal, it would be
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"The textbook (and legal) definition of an intern is someone who knows absolutely nothing about a profession, is working for free in order to learn, doesn't replace a paid employee and in most cases would be a hindrance to the professional. Any 'internship' where they want you to have expert level skills or professional grade equipment is actually a job, and you should be getting paid for it." Agreed. Now make the case for an untested individual, in a professional environment that actively, or through sheer inexperience, sabotages the brand they are representing.
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VendaGoat posted:"The textbook (and legal) definition of an intern is someone who knows absolutely nothing about a profession, is working for free in order to learn, doesn't replace a paid employee and in most cases would be a hindrance to the professional. Any 'internship' where they want you to have expert level skills or professional grade equipment is actually a job, and you should be getting paid for it." Stop defending cheap assholes on craigslist in a thread about making fun of cheap assholes on craigslist.
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SoundMonkey posted:Stop defending cheap assholes on craigslist in a thread about making fun of cheap assholes on craigslist. Sure. But, only because it's you. Have at em. I'll be over here leaning against the wall, smoking a cig. 
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quote:Do you have experience sailing? Are you a filmmaker / screenwriter / animator etc? Want to be a part of a one-of-a-kind documentary experience? One of my favorite Ideas Guys  He reached out to me last year for this same project. Needed photography, videography, and a drone flown around the ship; as well as editing on site. He would not be responsible if any of this equipment fell in the water, I would have to live on the ship for 3 months minimum and I would have to pay my own way for food. "If you got a couple grand saved up it's a great opportunity for exposure."quote:Looking for INTERN Another good rule of thumb is that any post mentioning Guru, Wizard, Ninja or Rock Star is not going to pay you fairly, if at all.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:42
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If I can't pay my landlord with it, you don't get to pay me with it.
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Sauer posted:If I can't pay my landlord with it, you don't get to pay me with it. Until I can buy liquor with exposure and networking opportunities you're gonna pay me.
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Sauer posted:If I can't pay my landlord with it, you don't get to pay me with it. SoundMonkey posted:Until I can buy liquor with exposure and networking opportunities you're gonna pay me. 
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Bets on vendagoats ad having being posted?
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underage at the vape shop posted:Bets on vendagoats ad having being posted? Soundmonkey makes it a  for charities to food banks around the country and I will play along.
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Mar 23, 2017 04:19
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Internships as unpaid professional work are very bad. Volunteer work at charities and soup kitchens are very good and very different.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Internships as unpaid professional work are very bad. Volunteer work at charities and soup kitchens are very good and very different. I stand by my previous statement. 
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VendaGoat posted:Soundmonkey makes it a unless i hear otherwise i take this to mean that you're offering to get banned if someone gives ten dollars to a food bank charity i'm not saying this is a thing (although please give generously to your local food bank and DONT GIVE THEM CANNED PUMPKIN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU) just to clarify
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excuse me canned pumpkin gets scarce around the holidays.
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SoundMonkey posted:unless i hear otherwise i take this to mean that you're offering to get banned if someone gives ten dollars to a food bank charity Oh you are very much putting the sword of Damocles over me. You are also leaving me room to negotiate, which I am thankful for. Here is what I am proposing. I have recently offered something that is within this thread's auspice. What it is I have offered is obfuscated to the non-initiated of my posting. Which means, someone would have to flat out doxx me to prove it. Which also means I am of sound mind and body to challenge. Here is my statement. There is such a thing as, "Beneficial exposure work." The caveat to such being, the entity offering such exposure work has to be of such exemplary standing that it would be seen as a benefit on a work application in the field in which you are attempting to apply. In very layman's terms that means a charity, or a person whom volunteers their time and effort to a charity. Something that we all know an employer or a college would just "eat up". The catch being, you have to prove to the person who is offering the "work for hire" a solid reason, with honest and pure intent, to whatever their requirements are. And reap any and all such consequences, including a negative review of your work, should the person you are working under deems it. In very plain terms. If you can not satisfy that they would be benefited by you working for them, so that they could benefit you, don't even apply. One hand washes the other and so on and so forth. Since we are having a negotiation SoundMonkey. And I have flat out expounded on my intent. Would you like to rephrase, or shall I just walk from this thread and say, whatever?
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VendaGoat posted:Oh you are very much putting the sword of Damocles over me. You are also leaving me room to negotiate, which I am thankful for. jesus christ
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SoundMonkey posted:jesus christ Wrong son.
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What are you even trying to say. Your posts dont make sense dude.
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VendaGoat posted:Wrong son. as one of the worst posters on something aweful dot com, please explain why long-winded pedantry is worthy of anything but a kitten-cage
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SoundMonkey posted:as one of the worst posters on something aweful dot com, please explain why long-winded pedantry is worthy of anything but a kitten-cage oh my god i just went through your queue history and the 'scapegoat' av wasn't given by a mod or admin, it must have gone through the purchase system. please say it wasn't you.
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I'm pretty sure I remember it from one of those draw me an av gbs threads aaaages ago feels good to not be the worst poster in the dorkroom underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Mar 23, 2017 11:48
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i vote to vote vendagoat off the island
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underage at the vape shop posted:I'm pretty sure I remember it from one of those draw me an av gbs threads aaaages ago is #2 any less shameful really? not even good at posting bad also it said goat before not scapegoat
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the best at being the worst is also the worst at being the best. And vice versa Im comfortable somewhere in the middle.
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A good thread ruined by really lovely posting
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In Australia, unpaid intern work work is illegal unless its through a university or tafe as a part of the required coursework. You have to apply to the university and students have to search through them to find the internship and it has to be educational. Students have to get course credit out of it, meaning employers have to go through the uni. Still doesn't stop people from posting on facebook job pages though: quote:UNPAID WORK EXPERIENCE OPPORTUNITY: Basically, I want a film and tv grad who took all the marketing electives and has the equivalent of a few years experience and their own equipment. It's definitely an educational internship though! This is an open and close FairWork case for illegal employment, which someone pointed out. The Response: quote:Hi Joseph & Evan, if you have any concerns over the legality of this opportunity, please feel free to contact the UQ BEL SET team. They have been assisting us with this process, and we have been arranging this Work Experience opportunity through them. We would not employ someone under illegal circumstances, nor would be provide a Work Experience Opportunity without checking if it was at all possible with the specialised staff at the University first. Oh yes yes we definitely went through the university thats why we are asking for interns on facebook and not through the universities channels as the univeristy requires us to do. From the UQ BEL (Business, Economics, and Law) site: quote:Successful candidates will secure an unpaid professional full-time internship for two to three weeks during the semester break. The work experience placements will be with Brisbane-based organisations relevant to your studies. These organisations will be a mix of small, medium and large across a range of industries. It's week 4 of Australian semester 1. These internships aren't run for another 10-11 weeks. You have to apply for these internships through your faculties website after attending information sessions and registering your interest. They definitely went through UQ guys this is definitely legit!!! Thats why they are primarilly looking for a film grad in the economics and law faculty. If they actually employ an intern like this they are legally hosed. E: I'm not 100% sure on UQ's stance, but another Brisbane uni, QUT, requires that their students be paid a wage if they aren't there purely for education. My friend got paid to do an internship because he was the one sitting in the datacenter at night and was responsible for fixing it if it went down. The datacenter served international clients and needed 24 hour reliability so it was a real job. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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red19fire posted:Scuba - Commerical diver a big plus I wonder if this guy is aware that the commercial diver day rate is between $400 and $800 for open water and that besides the helmet and a few other bits, most commercial divers don't own the hundreds upon thousands of dollars worth of equipment that commercial diving requires.* It isn't any different in the South either. Houston doesn't have nearly the volume of creative work as New York, but since we're the 4th largest city in the US, there is always some shitter looking to screw you over on Craigs List. quote:Immediate need for photographer to retrieve, photograph and return 15 - 25 (could be more) home decor products to/from a warehouse in Houston (preferred near 300 W Airtex Blvd) - Or could photo shoot on location. Products must be picked up and returned in about 3-4 days. Maybe even take them to a barn or a farm for a cool location. Photos must be stylized to complement our "look" and to highlight how products are used. No white backgrounds. We focus on vintage, farmhouse, shabby chic and French country styles. Photos will be used to sell products on a retail home decor website. We will own all the rights to the resulting photos (you can certainly include them in your portfolio.) This little gem caught my attention because the address they give is on the far North side of the city. That is a two hour drive from downtown in traffic and public transportation in Houston is a joke who's punchline involves setting you on fire. So, in addition to wanting to make money off your work, their obvious ignorance of copyright laws, and expecting great work for nothing, they also want you to drop some pretty serious gas money to get all of this done.
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quote:pop group seeking TFP photographer Music groups/producers are also fun, everyone wants free stuff. My favorite was by a guy looking for album artwork (the theme was to recreate an iconic Billy Joel cover), for free, pleading poverty, no budget, etc. But if you googled his name, it turns out he had recently successfully funded a kickstarter to the tune of around $40k, one of the stated goals was to pay for professional photography for album artwork & a music video.
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quote:Hi, Just standard run-of-the-mill stuff, except that this is a jewelry boutique that just opened up in a rather affluent neighborhood. So, they either spent all of their start-up money on the building, or they are just cheap fuckers.
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quote:Social Enlites is a marketing and management company. Hi, we need a videographer with professional level skills, equipment, experience & time management to shoot a TV pilot. But this is definitely an internship. Pay: you might meet a celebrity.
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If you get sloshed and can't work then you atleast have the excuse of them encouraging you to drink from facebook. not unpaid but still scummy quote:Looking for suggestions!! Hi, yes, I found a professional photographer who'll do a shittonne and pay an assistant for $300. Which is why I'm here offering you, an amateur, the same amount for less work overall (but still a poo poo tonne). No, I'm not full of poo poo, why do you ask. I like that he brags about spending loads of money, and tries to use his poor budgeting skills to guilt trip you into it.
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quote:Our mission is to provide enlighting marketing and innovative creative services that stimulate all senses (including the sixth). 
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underage at the vape shop posted:If you get sloshed and can't work then you atleast have the excuse of them encouraging you to drink It's either a bluff, or a lovely undercutter who cannot possibly deliver. The best response is "I Double-loving-Dog Dare you to hire that guy." I have done this before; I put in a bid for a product job for a t-shirt company, and some guy from Delaware offered to do the job for free and even pay for the studio rental etc out of pocket, just to 'build his portfolio'. Surprise surprise, a month later the proofs they got were poo poo, called me back, and balked when my estimate increased by 50%. I've also gotten pleas of poverty from clients, only to check their social media where their most recent activity is bragging about buying a $100k+ car. on to the posts: quote:Hi im Vince Allen, i am an award winning director and documentary film maker (Best director in the 2013 Philadelphia 48 Film Fest) and have submitted and won multiple films in festivals internationally. I have put together a team of individuals for a film i am submitting to the NBC FILM FESTIVAL May 15. Although I have all my own equipment i truly would rather have a person who not only has better equipment, but a specific eye for filming and desire to create crystal clarity pictures to really give us a chance to win this Festival. This is the most powerful screen play I've done in my career and i want every aspect of it to be top of the line. If you feel you are the caliber of quality that can be part of this team please reply with a reel of your work! I look forward to hearing from you soon! I saw a great one a while ago that was a plea for *every possible position in a film production* to work for free, because the guy claimed to work in hollywood and 'Take it from me, friends, this will be an Oscar contender for sure', and the pitch was the laziest Sopranos derivative you can imagine. quote:A high-end designer swimwear brand is seeking a photography intern to help in creating marketing content for the brand. The intern's primary responsibilities will include taking high quality still life photographs and retouching images for final use. We are looking to create content that is representative of the brand and highlights the quality, detail and thought that has gone into each swimsuit. The line has select distribution and is carried in top retailers globally. Another one for the category of 'we need a professional, but don't want to pay for one'. quote:Established NYC production company is hosting a launch party event for a new movie that stars the dad from "The Flash." This event is completely sold out with over 500 in attendance. This is a high profile, celebrity event. We are looking for one Camera person and Videographer to come to the event for free with a guest and shoot the entire event and meet the producers, director and actors. Please be super professional and reliable and respond with a headshot (can be a selfie) and what kind of equipment you have. This is a non paid job but will be mixing with people that are on top of the entertainment industry and will be considered for paid jobs in the future. This job is for someone looking to advance their career and mix with people that are making moves in the film industry. We are only looking for 1-3 people and will be very selective in out process. What we need. Contact number, selfie headshot and resume and what kind of equipment you have. Also you must be 21 and have ID to access the event. I have attached a flyer that shows the event info and schedule. 
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This one is extra fun because whoever wants these photos also wants a photographer who's got a studio, access to fitness equipment or a gym, and a group of models on call. All for the princely sum of nothing! We get a lot of poo poo like this in Houston. Every 19 year old who lives near the city thinks they are going to be a rapper, rap promoter, or some job title that strings together words like "manager" "promoter" and "Aesthetic" except they usually spell it "ascetic." For some reason, Friday afternoons tend to be the time they all congregate and more than once, some dipshits have stopped city traffic so they can get shots of a model in club wear standing in the middle of a busy intersection. quote:
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Yes, because everyone knows who Michael Phelps' photographer is.... quote:I am a Professional Track Athlete and 2 Time Olympian [London + Rio] The same guy also has another ad up looking for a videographer with a 'rig' and a drone. quote:I am a Professional Track Athlete and 2 Time Olympian [London + Rio]
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squidflakes posted:This one is extra fun because whoever wants these photos also wants a photographer who's got a studio, access to fitness equipment or a gym, and a group of models on call. All for the princely sum of nothing! the random Capitalized words in This listing really Make It
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DJExile posted:the random Capitalized words in This listing really Make It He's so Dope that he can Spend extra on Capital letters.
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squidflakes posted:This one is extra fun because whoever wants these photos also wants a photographer who's got a studio, access to fitness equipment or a gym, and a group of models on call. All for the princely sum of nothing! I love listings like this, people who want to 'trade' but offer basically nothing in return. Launching a fashion blog/IG next month, need a photographer to shoot once or twice a week in Soho, optionally in a studio, for free. quote:I am a professional aerial cinematographer, and I have a big shoot coming up in Mammoth Lakes, California in mid-May. Work for free, for a week, paying your own way to a ski resort in California (posted in NJ  ). Also you need to be able to ski. I'm presuming you'd have to rent your own skis  I think it would be cheaper to buy a used Inspire and gently caress around in your backyard.
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