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True story, despite being a yank i used the day Thatcher died as an excuse to celebrate/drink.
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Sheep-Goats posted:The amount of math you have to take to get an econ degree is hilariously small, especially given how complex many of the problems involving money are compared to items in the physical world that engineers or physicists deal with. Taking something an economist says about the economy to heart is usually like putting stock in your tarot reading aunt's opinions on nutrition. Economics is an arena for soft brained people to sit in hoping some salesman active in the economy comes by and picks them to be their fall guy or jester while they go about robbing people using some variation on the rounding off scheme from Superman 3. I mean I wouldn't necessarily go that far but this is closer to the truth than most people realize and tbh the amount of math that is in economics that is just equations straight lifted from hard sciences because "well if it works there it must work the same here" is hysterical really. Econ is a new as gently caress field of study relative to many others and there's a whole lot we don't know. Hell until relatively recently economists figured humans were more or less rational actors which is ofc totally wrong.
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Mar 26, 2017 18:02
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Toadvine posted:Don't worry, asymmetric warfare abroad has illustrated that there is always a low tech wrench to throw in the complex machine. gently caress yeah can't wait to attach a home-made missle launcher to my toyota 
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Mar 26, 2017 18:06
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Toadvine posted:Don't worry, asymmetric warfare abroad has illustrated that there is always a low tech wrench to throw in the complex machine. lol a cop across the street from me countered this by slamming a college girl into the pavement and throwing her cellphone into the street.
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Mar 26, 2017 18:07
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Psycho Society posted:lol a cop across the street from me countered this by slamming a college girl into the pavement and throwing her cellphone into the street. i bet someone else still filmed it tho
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Mar 26, 2017 18:10
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Yea it could be a technical if it ever came to outright armed conflict (it won't), it could be your own drone with a net attached, or spray painting the camera lens on a police bot, or sustained whistle blowing and leaks from sympathetic actors within these nation/corporation behemoths.
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Mar 26, 2017 18:09
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Rutibex posted:but what happens when you steal all the rich money and it turns out there isnt enough to go around after all? You wake up from that beautiful, beautiful dream with a big ol boner, Mr Speaker, and get to work making your kegger fantasies a reality. The Management posted:Hi, I'm the rich. On behalf of myself and others like me, I'd like a say a few words. First, we think that this approach is misguided. There have always been rich people and there always will be. Just because we have better stuff than you doesn't mean you can't have a decent life. We don't really care either way, but it's really not up to us what happens to your life. Hell, you can make money and join us. Are you saying poors are like the mouse in If You Give A Mouse A Cookie? a misanthrope posted:nah man just kill them. this isn't something we're doing for enjoyment. it's a necessary duty like taking out the trash. of course you're allowed to feel satisfaction, like the contentment of knowing you maintain a clean and tidy home
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Mar 26, 2017 18:10
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Psycho Society posted:lol a cop across the street from me countered this by slamming a college girl into the pavement and throwing her cellphone into the street. Holy poo poo I hope she got paid. I assume this was somewhere in America
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Mar 26, 2017 18:11
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Mar 26, 2017 18:16
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Are you saying poors are like the mouse in If You Give A Mouse A Cookie? poors are like the mouse in cookie clicker because they are a tool to be worn to the bone by their handlers in an ultimately meaningless pursuit of exponential wealth accumulation
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Mar 26, 2017 18:18
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Toadvine posted:Yea it could be a technical if it ever came to outright armed conflict (it won't), it could be your own drone with a net attached, or spray painting the camera lens on a police bot, or sustained whistle blowing and leaks from sympathetic actors within these nation/corporation behemoths. i want one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eocnj-q_cjA
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Mar 26, 2017 18:20
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What's the realistic feasibility of just getting a bunch of people to ISIS themselves at the New York Stock Exchange or at various CEOs offices, in a coordinated manner.
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Mar 26, 2017 18:21
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hello NSA we are just joking. this is a comedy forum! look here is a funny pug pls do not put me in guantanamo bay 
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Mar 26, 2017 18:24
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it's in our long term interests that someone like trump who is so reviled attempts to push through some heinous laws after a terror/cyber attack. The public awareness and push back would be far more significant than if it were during a more charismatic presidency ahem 
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Mar 26, 2017 18:25
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The real story here is that people continue buying Mercedes Benzes even though they are a scumbag company that makes subpar products.
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Mar 26, 2017 18:26
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Sheep-Goats posted:The amount of math you have to take to get an econ degree is hilariously small, especially given how complex many of the problems involving money are compared to items in the physical world that engineers or physicists deal with. Taking something an economist says about the economy to heart is usually like putting stock in your tarot reading aunt's opinions on nutrition. Economics is an arena for soft brained people to sit in hoping some salesman active in the economy comes by and picks them to be their fall guy or jester while they go about robbing people using some variation on the rounding off scheme from Superman 3. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. https://medium.com/the-physics-of-finance/arrogant-physicists-do-they-think-economics-is-easy-b91a9e6ee184#.wm74pkpbw
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Mar 26, 2017 19:49
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It's funny and sad reading this thread because Americans are the laziest, least principled people on the planet, and they will allow the ultra-rich and political elite piss and poo poo all over them with only the occasional Facebook post as their sole form of protest. By the time there's enough of a desire among the American people to rise up and assert themselves, it will be far, far too late.
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Mar 26, 2017 19:57
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Time_pants posted:It's funny and sad reading this thread because Americans are the laziest, least principled people on the planet, and they will allow the ultra-rich and political elite piss and poo poo all over them with only the occasional Facebook post as their sole form of protest. By the time there's enough of a desire among the American people to rise up and assert themselves, it will be far, far too late. Corporations are supporting socially progressive causes because they realized it gave a temporary, slight amount of competitive advantage to do so, so they're good now. What was that about stagnant wages and benefits and increasingly long hours and systematic destruction of workers' rights? Actually that reminds me, the company I work for does the closer parking for pregnant women thing, and the signage for it does the "Parking for future employee (and their mother)" thing, trying to be cute. Yes, current employee, you are an afterthought. Promise your children to the corporate lord! chumbler fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 20:01
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Time_pants posted:It's funny and sad reading this thread because Americans are the laziest, least principled people on the planet, and they will allow the ultra-rich and political elite piss and poo poo all over them with only the occasional Facebook post as their sole form of protest. By the time there's enough of a desire among the American people to rise up and assert themselves, it will be far, far too late. Who wants to help me stomp this bitch out?!!!! USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
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Mar 26, 2017 20:02
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Pawn 17 posted:You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Maybe you should read the article instead of just linking it because it's basically a list of times when people with actual quantitative abilities (in this article "physicists") came into econ blind and outshone the residents despite supposedly having to struggle with new material. And a guy with a physics BA has maybe half the range of quantitative skills of someone with a math BA, maybe a fourth the ability to get a computer to do work for him as a comp sci BA. Go look at the list of Nobel Laureates in Econ from the last 20 years or so and tell me what they got their undergrad degrees in. Here's a hint: not loving econ.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:08
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Ice Blue Mink posted:Yeah but the private security belong to the poor class, and will eat the rich guy they're supposed to be protecting. And then they'll take his stuff. No that's why you create a middle class of well indoctrinated, trusted servants Seriously you guys aee real rookies ar this
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Mar 26, 2017 20:12
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Lmao the American poor can't even get out to vote for candidates that are in their own interest, what makes you think they're ever going to take to the streets in armed insurrection? Half of people didn't bother to vote, and half of those who did (mostly poor uneducated whites) voted for loving trump.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:38
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The Management posted:Lmao the American poor can't even get out to vote for candidates that are in their own interest, what makes you think they're ever going to take to the streets in armed insurrection? Half of people didn't bother to vote, and half of those who did (mostly poor uneducated whites) voted for loving trump. Yes, but let me tell you another important fact in this matter. Bernie would've won.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:40
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Voting doesn't matter why would people ever do that?
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Mar 26, 2017 20:41
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i think a lot did vote their main interest, saying  to someoneeven if they are just looking in a mirror
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Mar 26, 2017 20:43
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Nooner posted:Rich people are good and look out for our best interests
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Hardawn posted:i think a lot did vote their main interest, saying it's like someone going to flip you the bird and in the process they step into an open sewer manhole. i guess those poor white people owned everyone real good 
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Mar 26, 2017 21:51
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Econ requires a lot of math don't get me wrong and it's deffo hard depending on what you're talking about - but a lot of the stuff that we've taken as a given is turning out to be false and based on entirely shakey premises that were assumed and never rigorously examined. For example there's an equation wrt quantity theory of money where 'MV = PT' Then Freidman picked that up and went "AHA" nm that it was an extreme simplification of something pretty drat complex and then came up with MV=PQ but uh that first dude just based it on the physics gas equation PV = RT. There were no long years of experimentation and poring over data sheets to come up with MV=PT A looot of the economists back like in 1700/1800 thought they could improve their discipline by replacing crude approximations and hypothesis with equations just straight taken from hard sciences. That doesn't mean that everything is bunk at all, it just means economics is a relatively new field and we're discovering that some things we took for a given are just not so. Again for example the idea of people as rational actors was popular even up until just a couple decades ago. Still is today really among some circles. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 21:53
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Blue Train posted:Who wants to help me stomp this bitch out?!!!!
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Mar 26, 2017 22:03
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You ever try talking to the average person about basic income? We're going to starve to death fighting over scraps before we figure out that spreading the wealth is a good idea. And we will deserve it (in a broad sense, not as individuals, cuz God knows there are people out there trying to make a better world).
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Mar 26, 2017 22:02
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Average people suck, can we eat them too?
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Mar 26, 2017 22:06
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a misanthrope posted:this coming round of automation is different than the industrial revolution. it will take jobs at a much higher rate than new ones are created, and those few newly created jobs will favor those who can get the appropriate education. the poor and anyone who has just a high school degree will be left in the dust, for good. min. wage jobs will not be a thing anymore Exactly why we need to transition to a post-scarcity social model. Everyone gets a guaranteed minimum standard of living provided at zero cost by tireless, efficient machines.
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Mar 26, 2017 22:10
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Oh no Applewhite, you're tempting misanthrope to break out his deus ex conspiracies.
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Mar 26, 2017 22:11
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Poor people get mad about wealth redistribution because they honestly think they will have money taken from them, idiots
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Mar 26, 2017 22:16
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Also people being proud of struggling and considering it a virtue, morons
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Mar 26, 2017 22:18
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Blue Train posted:Poor people get mad about wealth redistribution because they honestly think they will have money taken from them, idiots No they think they will somehow be rich one day through hard work and will THEN have money taken from them. Or they have like one successful person close to them or in heir family who bitches about poor people taking money from them all the time and this influences them even more than their own life experience because rich people must know what they're talking about since they're rich and thus obviously intelligent! e: idiot morons the lot of them
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*sells dope* poo poo it's hard out here you gotta hustle *gets arrested for possession with intent, does 3 years. Can't vote because felony*
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Mar 26, 2017 22:22
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guys what if you got rich how would feel if you got ate
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Mar 26, 2017 22:23
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(Macro) Economics is not a science. It has no testable and falsifiable theories. Strong mathematical basis will help, but fundamentally it is just guessing and then coming up with an explanation for why things didn't come out the way you expected.
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Applewhite posted:Exactly why we need to transition to a post-scarcity social model. Everyone gets a guaranteed minimum standard of living provided at zero cost by tireless, efficient machines. we could do that but instead we'll continue to vote against our interests and let the 1% destroy society and our modern standard of living in the pursuit of all the money
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