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Ikasuhito posted:It's been a few turns now, So are the Russians in that pocket feeling the squeeze yet? There doesn't seem to be much change yet. Probably not much, at least not yet. They might be getting pretty low on ammo for medium/heavy artillery, but there's not going to be much more than that until Warsaw and/or Lodz get taken or at least sieged. General supply (food, small-arms ammo, tents, etc.) is a bit too plentiful in the game, IMO. Combine that with 'Easy Supply' being on, all the Russian units in cities are probably doing just fine. When the ammo dries up though, that could have a pretty big impact when the Russians stand and fight, and the Russians generally have ammo problems even when multiple armies aren't cut off in Poland.
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I am honestly feeling irritated by this game's mechanics and how they let the AI just ignore terrain, supplies and unit cohesion to just let kirchener and romanov's waaghs to stomp through everything in their path. This engine is completely inadequate for a ww1 game and i tip my hat off to greyhunter because this can't be easy to deal with.
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Are the russians above 75 morale again?
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HannibalBarca posted:In Cadorna's defense, the rocky start for the Italian army can partially be explained by the fact that their army was mobilized, demobilized, and remobilized as the civilian leadership tried to figure out when and if they were actually going to war. And then the troops arrived at the Austrian barbed wire to find that nobody aside from specialists had boltcutters I'll give another half-hearted defense of Cadorna. If you look at the border between A-H and Italy, there's really only about one place which is only hilly/mountainous rather than brutally hilly/mountainous. There's a reason that there were 12 Isonzos and it was due to terrain. Now the way those battles were planned and executed is all on him, but if you look at the map, any conflict is going to be 100% concentrated forces bashing in to each other in Gorizia.
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Nuramor posted:Are the russians above 75 morale again? Yes. In this timeline he'll be known as Tsar Alexander II the Great.
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TildeATH posted:Yes. In this timeline he'll be known as Tsar Alexander II the Great. The impression I get is that it would have saved a little programmer time and a lot of player time if, when a German player picked an ahistorical option, instead of the game it just came up with a "You Lose" screen with the flufftext of "You Moron. You Absolute Moron. Why Would You Do This? You MORON." And then uninstall itself.
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Mukaikubo posted:The impression I get is that it would have saved a little programmer time and a lot of player time if, when a German player picked an ahistorical option, instead of the game it just came up with a "You Lose" screen with the flufftext of "You Moron. You Absolute Moron. Why Would You Do This? You MORON." And then uninstall itself. Grey's issue isn't the plan he (we) picked. It's the opacity of the game's mechanics. Me and Hannibalbarca have no issues with defending against France, but I've been playing AGEOD games since the first ACW ten years ago. Figuring out how best to game the command chains and supply systems takes time. The 30YW game doesn't even have some of those mechanics.
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May 30, 2017 20:12
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Mostly I'm confused as to how Grey hasn't been able to force a decisive result against the Russians. I don't want to backseat command or anything, but I think that maybe an actual grinding forward offensive to try to pin down and attrit the Russian units that you should theoretically outmatch might have been better than this whole "pocket all of Congress Poland" thing.
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May 30, 2017 20:24
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Pockets don't seem to have been all that decisive so far. The allied troops in them have been dying nicely, but that's been the case everywhere, pocket or no pocket.
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HannibalBarca posted:Mostly I'm confused as to how Grey hasn't been able to force a decisive result against the Russians. I don't want to backseat command or anything, but I think that maybe an actual grinding forward offensive to try to pin down and attrit the Russian units that you should theoretically outmatch might have been better than this whole "pocket all of Congress Poland" thing. From my backseat, I just don't think Grey has been giving his troops time to recover. In the savegame from late 1915, he had an Austrian 'army' that had a couple corps that each consisted of a couple artillery regiments- all the infantry had died, and badly needed replacing. If you're playing on historical attrition settings, that means parking the army on a depot and waiting many, many turns for replacement elements to move from the pool to your units. Grey's army stacks are hovering around 300 or 400 combat power, but they'd be three times that with full complements. This is a bad WWI game. You do not put your armies in constant contact with the enemy. You treat it like a seventeenth century war and only campaign in the summer, let your guys recuperate after each fight, and absolutely do not try to maintain a continuous front unless you are swimming in supply wagons.
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May 30, 2017 21:15
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Are Grey's men still not using trenches because of the stance setting thing?
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  We continue to try and hold the French advance.  The Troops tire so quickly.  We keep up a broad offensive here. I have the new Phosphogene gas to use in support of the attack. The first time I've been allowed to use gas on the Russian front.  But the Russians are streaming south and I have nothing to stop them.  The Romanians are also going to be a problem.  The British call on their allies to defend Egypt.  I order more attacks in Italy.  Cadorna kicks us off with a successful assault.  There are Russians in Serbia now.  The Greeks stop the Bulgarians in a bloody battle.  The Turks advance against the Russians.  Bulow's advance is checked.  Conrad advances the only way he knows – at two to one losses.   The French come south to reopen their supply lines.  The Russian advance south continues.  Thankfully, it does not all go their way.  We win again in Egypt, but it is costly.  The Turks also destroy a Russian division.  We overwhelm another force.  The Russians are losing a lot of Divisions!   Time to shift troops north in an ever lengthening line – They have the troops to defend it, we don't!  Another wave backed by gas will hit Lodz. I'm using both types of gas here to maximise the effect – its win or lose!  This might be a problem.  We push into Georgia.  We continue to try and push on Cairo.  We overwhelm the Russians again.  The Turks smash a garrison force.  They then destroy the remains of a Division.  Their push south has spread their forces to the point that I have local superiority.  We advance against the Italians in Egypt.  Bulow pulls back to secure his supply lines.  The Russians must have gone a long way around to get here, but they are more than a match for my local forces.  What the hell! I set you to be on the defensive! How could you throw away so many lives?  Thankfully things swing back our way in Russia.  The Turks destroy another division.  Our morale has crashed, but the Russians are under 75 again!
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May 31, 2017 04:52
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Ow, this is getting messy. Think you can turn it around Grey or nearing the edge?
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May 31, 2017 05:07
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The Turks of all people seem to be your most reliable forces in play. Also holy poo poo at that moral drop and ridiculous Western front snake.
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May 31, 2017 05:41
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Greyed in the Back.
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It.. Seems strange how the Entente are able to field so many soldiers so widely. They have a couple million inside German proper, endless bits in Russia, and are even maintaining a few hundred thousand in Egypt. Even in areas with no supply or cut off forces seem not to have any real issues with organization, morale, or ammo.
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wedgekree posted:Ow, this is getting messy. Think you can turn it around Grey or nearing the edge? I think we may be near breaking point now. I put on easy supply after the AI in 30YW attritioned itself into oblivion - I didn't realise it would make supplies completely irrelevant. This threw off my early plans where I should have hit Warsaw with everything I had. I'm getting things into order now, but I'm not sure how to stop the two massive breakouts. This may well be the first LP I lose!
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Technically you were losing you're Steam and Iron IIRC. You just called it early because of the games absurd win conditions for the Germans and the refusal of the British fleet to even give you a chance. Not that I would count that of course. Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 09:47 on May 31, 2017 |
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Ikasuhito posted:Technically you were losing you're Steam and Iron IIRC. You just called it early because of the games absurd win conditions for the Germans and the refusal of the British fleet to even give you a chance. Yeah, that's another case of the game being against the player. Apparently I don't do well as WWI Germany....
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Grey Hunter posted:Yeah, that's another case of the game being against the player. To be fair, neither did WWI Germany.
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Ikasuhito posted:Technically you were losing you're Steam and Iron IIRC. I don't get it?
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JcDent posted:I don't get it? Grey's Steam and Iron (take 2) Lets play. He was playing as Germany and to win he had to have more battleships that the British. The problem was that after several decisive battle the Brits just stopped sending out their big ships before he could kill enough of them to win. As it was he was going to lose because the AI was refusing to give him a chance so he just called it.
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Ikasuhito posted:Grey's Steam and Iron (take 2) Lets play. Does anyone have a link to this?
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Horsebanger posted:Does anyone have a link to this? I probably should have linked it since I am the one going on about it. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3727202
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Yeah, that was doubly-stupid because the whole point of the naval war in WW1 is that the British couldn't afford to cede control of the sea to Germany like that. The blockade of Germany was devastating in the long-run, and cutting off even some of Britain's trade would have had a similar effect on them, not to mention the political ramifications of a nation used to ruling the waves being beaten down that hard at sea.
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  I do what I can to plug the gap.  We are in Lodz and threatening Warsaw, but we need to rest the men before the next assault.  The Austrians are mass recruiting to stop this offensive.  I'm mostly trying to lure the Italians into futile assaults.  Samsinov's Russians are causing havoc in Serbia.  A large Russian force in Georgia may well cause me problems.  We continue to push in Egypt.  The French magic up 200,000 men and 1,000 guns to overwhem one of our positions in the south.  The Russians continue to advance south.  I pay the cost to take some forts north of Warsaw.  Okay, something is going on here, all of the troops in this area were on defensive – and I checked. So why are they now attacking – we win, but that's not the point.  We hold off an Italian attack.   The Entente Army smashes through our forces in Frankfurt.  Once again an army on defensive stance attacks – and this time the losses are horrendous – I need to replace this butcher!   Thankfully, we get our revenge.  We cannot stop French advancing in Düsseldorf.   I have no idea how they penetrated our lines this deeply.   News of the Austrian Emperor's death could not come at a worse time, our national morale plummets.  I order all troops to evacuate the Rhineland, we need to shorten the lines!  We hold to rebuild cohesion.  The Italian front is stablizing.  Serbia is a disaster waiting to happen – if they keep up the pressure, we could see mass surrender here.   Thank god for the Turks.  The French continue to advance.  We hold back the Russians south of Lodz. I think the change in posture is coming from units marching to the guns – if so, its very annoying.  The French march further north.  Despite everyone being on static, defensive orders. We somehow win a defensive battle in Warsaw..... I have no idea what is going on any more.  The Italian main army advances once more.  Entente forces begin to strike out in all directions.  Austrian troops continue to fall back.  There is not much to say. Things are very confusing and our National Morale is in the toilet.
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Yeah, looks like this is about over. Your NM is tanking, and the W. Entente's armies are still valued higher than all of yours together. And to be honest, when you free up Germans in Poland, some need to go fix the Balkans at this point. How do you look resources wise? War Materials, Manpower, Ammunition are what I'm wondering about.
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"Evacuating the Rhineland" and "Thank god for the Turks" Two things you don't expect to hear in a WW1 game.
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If you have forces on defensive in an area where you have (I think, may be misremembering) under 5% military control, your units automatically shift to attack stance to represent a lack of good terrain in which to entrench. That's how it worked in the ACW game anyway. Obviously you're most at risk of this happening when you're sharing an enemy territory with a large stack of enemy units that can keep your military control % down. Might I suggest a restart?
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Grey Hunter posted:
See how you've got two army corps there that have only artillery left? You need infantry replacements. Grey Hunter posted:Okay, something is going on here, all of the troops in this area were on defensive – and I checked. So why are they now attacking – we win, but that's not the point. Who has military control of the province? Your forces will automatically go to offensive stance when in hostile territory. Grey Hunter posted:I have no idea how they penetrated our lines this deeply. Because AGEOD doesn't simulate continuous frontlines. If your great big army has a low enough detection rating, the enemy could easily slip stacks through provinces you control. Usually you'll get a message saying you failed to engage, with a percentage success rate.
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It does kinda feel like AGEOD is not great at this conflict, since it's all about stacks instead of frontlines.
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Gort posted:It does kinda feel like AGEOD is not great at this conflict, since it's all about stacks instead of frontlines. As dublish had mentioned, it's not a great model for the conflict, no. I enjoyed my Central Powers game quite a bit, but the occasional British or Russian stack ghost-walking through the lines, the difficulty of carrying out sustained offensives, the utter uselessness of launching attacks during the winter, and a variety of fuzzy mechanics surrounding air units, submarines, technology, poison gas, etc. (with the dumb AGEOD AI to top it all off) definitely limited its potential. Still waiting for a truly great WW1 Grand Strategy game, unfortunately. 
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Yeah, I would say gg, but the more I see of this game the less I like it, Still they cant all be winners.
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Ikasuhito posted:Yeah, I would say gg, but the more I see of this game the less I like it, Still they cant all be winners. Same, this is one of the first LPs that has made me actively less likely to want to play a game.
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Put all of your research towards getting the atomic bomb.
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Grey Hunter posted:I have no idea how they penetrated our lines this deeply. Grey's epitaph.
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Ikasuhito posted:Yeah, I would say gg, but the more I see of this game the less I like it, Still they cant all be winners. I'm thinking about calling it, not only because I've lost, but because the turns take an hour to do, in a solid block. My Son is now waking at 4-5am and Its getting hard to find that block of time. (Hence the sporadic updates) I'll continue if people want me to play it out though! I'm not a quitter.
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Grey Hunter posted:I'm thinking about calling it, not only because I've lost, but because the turns take an hour to do, in a solid block. My Son is now waking at 4-5am and Its getting hard to find that block of time. (Hence the sporadic updates) I want to see a WWI game, but not this one. The only thing it did for me was teach me to ID some of the generals.
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I think that hour wouls certainly ve better spent in Fatherhood rather than the Fathrerland. Not when facing this incredibly frustrating game.
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I'm a bit curious to see it out to the end, only because that feels real close. But yeah probably choose the kid.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.