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After giving it some thought, invading Switzerland just seem like a terrible idea, as it stretches Germany far too thin. Thus: German: B, the Moltke Plan Austria: B, The Kaiser Plan Together, this is the "Invade Russia" plan: Russia is so weak that Austria can actually fight their troops man-for-man on even terms, and a two front war on Russia could allow Germany the opportunity (depending on how thin the Eastern Entente forces are) to clear the Baltic Sea of coastal guns so that the German navy can actually be used for something. Once Russia is crippled by the initial blow, Germany can begin trickling more and more people west to put a check on Britain and France, who will eventually arrive in force at what should be a VERY well defended German border. While the Germans hold the line there, Germany can deliver a killing blow to Russia, and then use both ships and rail to move the bulk of the army against the Western Entente, who should be open to a flanking attack somewhere (the exact location depends on where they send most of their troops).
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2B If we cannot have Russia, we will destroy Russia.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:57
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thetruegentleman posted:After giving it some thought, invading Switzerland just seem like a terrible idea, as it stretches Germany far too thin. Thus: That's all well and good, but how many Zerbs will be killed if we follow this plan?
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Mar 28, 2017 17:57
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2A for me. Rush Moscow while still having our head in the game Balkan-wise. Keep up a defensive posture in the West with research focusing on trench warfare and artillery. Let them come to us until they can be attacked in full force.
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Mar 28, 2017 18:32
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TildeATH posted:That's all well and good, but how many Zerbs will be killed if we follow this plan? What else are the Bulgarians and Turk's going to be used for?
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Mar 28, 2017 19:16
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TildeATH posted:That's all well and good, but how many Zerbs will be killed if we follow this plan? 2B Austria makes it somewhat clear that they'll be dealt with, just at a later date. If they waste themselves attacking fortified defenses in the mean time, all the better.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:19
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Mar 28, 2017 19:25
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thetruegentleman posted:2B Austria makes it somewhat clear that they'll be dealt with, just at a later date. If they waste themselves attacking fortified defenses in the mean time, all the better. We've heard these promises of Zerb blood for years with no actual Zerb blood. I am sick of out-of-touch politicians promising us Death To Zerbs but then invariably bait-and-switching us into killing Russians or Bulgarians. It's not the same.
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Mar 28, 2017 20:23
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TildeATH posted:We've heard these promises of Zerb blood for years with no actual Zerb blood. I am sick of out-of-touch politicians promising us Death To Zerbs but then invariably bait-and-switching us into killing Russians or Bulgarians. It's not the same. I think the Bulgarians are on our side this war?
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Mar 28, 2017 21:04
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2B, the Eastern Front is poised to be much more dynamic than the Western Front, therefore it simply makes more sense to knock it out early in order to make gains in the Western Front later.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:07
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4D If we delay British entry into the war we may be able to knock out France in the first 18 months and we have the advantage at sea with the High Seas fleet vs the French Navy if the Royal Navy remains at port. AH is an important ally but lacks the elan to drive home an offensive campaign solo and should therefore shield against the Russian bear while the Germany strikes quickly on Paris. farraday fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 21:26
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Jack2142 posted:I think the Bulgarians are on our side this war? Historically Bulgaria didn't join the war until 1915, which means Grey probably has loads of opportunities to drive them into the arms of the Entente.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:35
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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TildeATH posted:We've heard these promises of Zerb blood for years with no actual Zerb blood. I am sick of out-of-touch politicians promising us Death To Zerbs but then invariably bait-and-switching us into killing Russians or Bulgarians. It's not the same. What madness is this? Serbia has been a trading partner of the Austro-Hungarian Empire for years, and was only lost because of the French, Russians and Germans to begin with! Hell, they were even ALLIES several decades ago! Once the French and Russians have been suitably punished for their interference, the Serbians will realize that their success against Bulgaria and the Ottomans was a fluke brought on through foreign money, and not some grand dawning of Serbian supremacy; we can discuss reparations after this.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:37
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2B, overwhelm Russia prior to their mobilization.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:37
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thetruegentleman posted:...the Serbians will realize that their success [was] not some grand dawning of Serbian supremacy hah
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Mar 28, 2017 23:35
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2B seems like the best plan.
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Mar 29, 2017 01:30
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Out of curiosity, what were Russia's warplan options?
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Mar 29, 2017 02:06
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Gamerofthegame posted:Out of curiosity, what were Russia's warplan options? 1. Go forward 2. Die 3. ????? 4. Communism
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Mar 29, 2017 02:26
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Let us put an end to the Swiss menace with plan 4D. Austria is to stay on reserve and to move in once the Swiss have slaughtered the waves of Germans and is low on ammo.
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Mar 29, 2017 02:44
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4B We dressed in the dark, and instead of a picklehaube, we covered our balding Prussian pate with our underpants.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:22
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PittTheElder posted:Historically Bulgaria didn't join the war until 1915, which means Grey probably has loads of opportunities to drive them into the arms of the Entente. On the flip side I wonder if we can Italy to join our side in the war?
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PittTheElder posted:Historically Bulgaria didn't join the war until 1915, which means Grey probably has loads of opportunities to drive them into the arms of the Entente. They had everything to gain from joining the CP and nothing from siding with the Entente except weak promises of negotiating with Serbia for territory. The issue is them staying neutral.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:38
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Jack2142 posted:On the flip side I wonder if we can Italy to join our side in the war? You can but you basically have to give them the Habsburg family jewels free of charge to even have a shot at it.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:44
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Current Scores - 1 = 4 2 = 25 3 = 2 4 = 11 A = 3 B = 18 C = 18 D = 5 With a tie, I'm going to have to run this on for another 12 hours!
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Mar 29, 2017 05:14
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Grey Hunter posted:Current Scores - Tiebreaker should be which of B or C has the most votes from people that also voted 2 imo Corsair Pool Boy fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 05:24
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Mar 29, 2017 05:29
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The Swiss live another day 
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Mar 29, 2017 05:34
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HannibalBarca posted:You can but you basically have to give them the Habsburg family jewels free of charge to even have a shot at it. Sounds tempting, honestly having Italy flail impotently in the French Alps sounds worth pissing of the AH Empire.
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Mar 29, 2017 05:37
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2B Let's
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Mar 29, 2017 06:41
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4C Let's make the Swiss Howl! Also time to go after the Serbs and make them pay. I mean it can't be that Russia would ever get her act in gear can it?
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Mar 29, 2017 07:33
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Mar 29, 2017 10:05
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Mar 29, 2017 11:42
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Pitching in to hopefully help break the tie. 2B
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Mar 29, 2017 11:57
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Right, I think I'll call that before some silly buggers vote it back the other way for "drama."  Russia is in for a rough ride!
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Mar 29, 2017 12:05
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The CP train is going in dry! 
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Mar 29, 2017 12:45
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What could go wrong? 
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Well, there's a lot of Germans helping them out, but I have a feeling we are going to see a whole bunch of dead Austrians. Does this game model the general terribleness of Austro-Hungarian armies? Any danger of Serbia attacking? Though one would hope that defending against Serbia would be a little easier to pull a victory from that than marching all your men into the prepared killing grounds of Serb artillery and then yelling orders at them in a language they don't understand. e: What does faction alignment mean? Austria-Hungary already is a member of the Central Powers, so if they lose a whole bunch of Central Powers alignment, what does this do? Does it make their troops less effective fighting alongside Germans, does it give a chance that they will drop out and seek separate terms or something? Randarkman fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 15:06
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Stealing from the manual - quote:High Alignment within a region will give the following benefits: So we may need to watch the Austrians - although the Germans have balanced out.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:29
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Randarkman posted:Well, there's a lot of Germans helping them out, but I have a feeling we are going to see a whole bunch of dead Austrians. Does this game model the general terribleness of Austro-Hungarian armies? Any danger of Serbia attacking? Though one would hope that defending against Serbia would be a little easier to pull a victory from that than marching all your men into the prepared killing grounds of Serb artillery and then yelling orders at them in a language they don't understand. Actually, the game had to improve Austria's generals a little bit because the leadership was so utterly terrible in real life: even so, it's very difficult for Austria to beat Serbia due to Serbia's defensive terrain and much better troops. Of course, the opposite is now true as well: if Serbia decides to attack (and they probably will), they'll have to face the same riving crossings and mountains that Austria had to, which will greatly even the odds. Also, as I said before, Austrian troops are roughly the same quality as the Russian troops, only the Russians have vastly more manpower...assuming they have the time to deploy it, which our plan hopes not to give them. All that said, holding France off might prove difficult, and Britain won't be needed to save the western front, so they might decide to move against the Ottomans, or even the Austrians instead. Even so, this is still a *much* better plan than the "attack the mountainous neutral country while France is lined up at Germany's borders" plan.
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