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HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

wukkar posted:

It is weird that Conrad Hotzendorf is the only general who is refereed to by first name. You certainly never call Hindenburg "Paul" or refer to Kitchener as "Herbert".

it's a bit complicated. Conrad is technically part of his last name.

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HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

JcDent posted:

K.u.k. Feldmarschall Franz Xaver Joseph Conrad Graf von Hötzendorf

Right. After the war, when Austria abolished nobility, his name was stylized as "Franz Conrad-Hötzendorf", with the family name often just being referred to as "Conrad".

Also there's the confusing genealogy aspect: "His great-grandfather Franz Anton Conrad (1738–1827) had received the nobiliary particle von Hötzendorf as a predicate in 1815, referring to the surname of his first wife who descended from the Bavarian Upper Palatinate region."

HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 18:53 on May 25, 2017

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
Update from Hannibal's alternate timeline CP game:

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:stare:

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
perhaps unsurprisingly, the war ended next turn as Entente morale plummeted after the entire ANZAC army was destroyed at the siege of Cairo, and as another French army blundered its way to 60,000 deaths in the Ardennes. Historians will also likely long question Jellicoe's decision to force the Kiel canal with his dreadnoughts, allowing Scheer to repeatedly inflict grievous casualties on the British fleet via attrition.



I just wish I had gotten to use the tanks. The first ones were rolling out of the Daimler and SKODA works just as the war ended :negative:

HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 25, 2017

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Ikasuhito posted:

"Afterwords it was decided that digging graves for the dead would be to time consuming and thus instead dirt and gravel would be used to simply cover over the mounds of dead. In time this location would come to be known as "Mount Chomer" after the French commander in charge of the operation."



:france:

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

dublish posted:

How much NM did that net you? I got 4 (and the Eastern Entente probably lost the same) with this one:



It got me 4; there was an additional followup battle where they lost like 60 or 70,000 more men (vs. about 20,000 of mine) for an additional 4, and another unrelated battle where a British corps that ghost-walked through the lines and tried to assassinate Falkenhayn or something got surrounded and wiped out (60k Entente loss vs. ~15k German) for another 5 NM. Lost 2NM from reversion to mean, 1 from War Weariness, and gained an additional 1 from assaulting and taking Bucharest the same turn.

HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 26, 2017

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Jesenjin posted:

ummm... What did Ottomans gain from war? Big fat nothing?

I don't think AGEOD took the time to write multiple different victory texts based upon the nature of your coalition, so since the Ottomans aren't a guaranteed join I suppose they just got left out. Same for Bulgaria, or presumptive Austro-Hungarian gains in Northern Italy.

HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 20:47 on May 26, 2017

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
In Cadorna's defense, the rocky start for the Italian army can partially be explained by the fact that their army was mobilized, demobilized, and remobilized as the civilian leadership tried to figure out when and if they were actually going to war. And then the troops arrived at the Austrian barbed wire to find that nobody aside from specialists had boltcutters :v:

of course, that still leaves 11 other Isonzos that were 110% his fault.

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
Mostly I'm confused as to how Grey hasn't been able to force a decisive result against the Russians. I don't want to backseat command or anything, but I think that maybe an actual grinding forward offensive to try to pin down and attrit the Russian units that you should theoretically outmatch might have been better than this whole "pocket all of Congress Poland" thing.

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
If you have forces on defensive in an area where you have (I think, may be misremembering) under 5% military control, your units automatically shift to attack stance to represent a lack of good terrain in which to entrench. That's how it worked in the ACW game anyway. Obviously you're most at risk of this happening when you're sharing an enemy territory with a large stack of enemy units that can keep your military control % down.

Might I suggest a restart?

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Gort posted:

It does kinda feel like AGEOD is not great at this conflict, since it's all about stacks instead of frontlines.

As dublish had mentioned, it's not a great model for the conflict, no. I enjoyed my Central Powers game quite a bit, but the occasional British or Russian stack ghost-walking through the lines, the difficulty of carrying out sustained offensives, the utter uselessness of launching attacks during the winter, and a variety of fuzzy mechanics surrounding air units, submarines, technology, poison gas, etc. (with the dumb AGEOD AI to top it all off) definitely limited its potential. Still waiting for a truly great WW1 Grand Strategy game, unfortunately. :(

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
there's apparently a big overhaul mod that tries to fix a lot of the game's weirdness, but it also splits the alliances up into individual countries and obviously the AI wouldn't be able to play it all, so it's only really a viable option for multiplayer

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
Once I ran out of German MedArt, I just started pumping out heavies. By that point I had 140 NM anyway so the war was basically over, though. I wish I had gotten to see tanks in action; has anyone ever been able to use them much?

Has anyone put any effort/energy into the colonial or naval games at all? I don't think I ever lost a single colony in my Germany game (NM victory in Spring of '16), even Tsingtao, which the Japanese breached 10 times but never assaulted, but I didn't do much outside of the main theater myself either. Is it plausible to somehow extract Lettow-Vorbeck from Africa and give him a corps in Europe with his crazy good stats?

I'm also not sure what I was supposed to do with von Spee and the commerce raiders at the start of the game (if anything). Also unsure if building submarines against the AI is worth it, considering that the UK morale system is basically broken if you're using the AI anyway.

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HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

dublish posted:

I haven't double checked since the game came out, but it used to take longer to get to Suez via Gibraltar than it did going the "long" way around Africa. Due to the way the game measures distances and travel time between sea zones, the canal was more useful as a shortcut into the Med than through it to India.

Just loaded up as W. Allies to check this. Sending a liner from Portsmouth to India uses the Panama canal to get to the South Pacific and then to the Indian ocean lol

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