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Shitenshi posted:From the previews, it looks like Quinn is going to try and make Veil his new wife to replace Jade. I keep seeing people asking why she would have saved Quinn's life, but really she didn't have much options otherwise. Sonny is gone, her escape is hosed, and as far as she knows, the barons and territories are at war, so no place is going to be safe for her child. Saving a dying Baron is gonna be something she can curry favor with, at least.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I keep seeing people asking why she would have saved Quinn's life, but really she didn't have much options otherwise. Sonny is gone, her escape is hosed, and as far as she knows, the barons and territories are at war, so no place is going to be safe for her child. Saving a dying Baron is gonna be something she can curry favor with, at least.
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She is a doctor so letting a man die might have been against her Apoc-ocratic Oath. But then... Edgar... 
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Shitenshi posted:That's my guess too, but this far in without any concrete answer from her in-universe while things get increasingly bad for her, it's feeling like a really creepy subplot that had no real good outcome for her considering Quinn is absolutely batfuck crazy. The accent is still cheesy and amazing at the same time.
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I've no problems...well, okay, fewer problems...with the idea that Veil could be so driven by blind mercy and personal hubris that she would save Quinn out of some ingrained unshakeable belief that it's just the right thing to do, the end, shut up killing is always bad no matter what I can't hear your rational arguments lalalalala. But, yeah, the problem is that it's been seven episodes and the show has not touched on this at all. It's like they wanted to set up some emotional revelation between the two of them and then just forgot about it. The other question is why she would stay with Quinn for six more months after he'd been stitched up and was no longer in immediate danger of dying. And the barons weren't actually at war with each other...they were just at war with the Widow, and it's not like the Widow was going around killing Cogs. Veil probably could've stayed under Ryder's rule and ended up fine, especially with Jade leading him around (Jade and Veil knew each other from childhood, remember). Anyway, episode 7 was okay. Sunny's dream sequences were mehhh, but the monastery scene was actually quite fun...or, at least, it was fun to watch those people smack each other around after how annoying they've been. 
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BrianWilly posted:I've no problems...well, okay, fewer problems...with the idea that Veil could be so driven by blind mercy and personal hubris that she would save Quinn out of some ingrained unshakeable belief that it's just the right thing to do, the end, shut up killing is always bad no matter what I can't hear your rational arguments lalalalala. Honestly it feels like you guys can't see the forest through the trees (with Veil). She's pregnant, the one man in her life that she loves is gone, and with him her only chance for freedom, and is now in what looks like ground zero for a all out war between Barons. If nothing else, better the devil you know than the ones you don't, you know? At least by saving Quinn and (playing at) treating him, she gives her son a chance, however slight it is. It seems pretty obvious, I'm not sure what people are looking for that isn't inferred. Of course the next episode I could be proven wrong with some convoluted plot point introduced into the story, but I stand by what I said. Also, totes agree about the temple fight scene, I love the idea of intentionally setting off the dark ones to entrap your opponents. That's so Bashi!
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Again..."all out war" was simply not what was happening. The Widow was the only one anyone was at war with, and even she was keeping a low profile, and she didn't hurt Cogs. There's really no indication that Veil's life was in that much more danger after the events of the s1 finale than before that point. Arguably she was in much less danger because Quinn was no longer in power! I mean, let's assume Veil was in fact in some sort of dire straits after s1, that for some reason she felt like it wasn't safe to raise a child under Ryder's barony. Let's assume Veil really was naive enough, for some reason, to think that the man who killed her parents (and probably Sunny too, for all she knows!) and just got stabbed through the chest and is also incidentally dying of a brain tumor was a safer alternative to just living the same exact way she used to. We still don't get told any of this! All we really need is a couple lines of her going "Oh Henry, I think I've made a huge mistake back then" or "I had no choice...this was the only option" or something like that, but the actual mindset behind her saving Quinn is just flat-out never mentioned, so it comes across like she accidentally patched this psychopath up and accidentally spent the next six months with him to the point that she then accidentally became his captive and wound up having to do everything she can to connive and appease him, 1001 Nights-stylez. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 04:04 on May 2, 2017 |
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BrianWilly posted:Again..."all out war" was simply not what was happening. The Widow was the only one anyone was at war with, and even she was keeping a low profile, and she didn't hurt Cogs. There's really no indication that Veil's life was in that much more danger after the events of the s1 finale than before that point. Arguably she was in much less danger because Quinn was no longer in power! Agree to disagree, I suppose. Personally I don't think the show needs to spell it out; Veil is alone, her love and her only way out is gone, and there's been a fight between three barons, which I'll agree isn't a all out war, but it's enough to destabilize large parts of the region. The only person left that she knows is Quinn, and even in the worst scenario for her, he would still need her alive, which is more of a guarantee than the Widow or Ryder, given their territorial disputes, and a hell of a lot more of a guarantee than other barons that she doesn't even know. For me it's not a stretch or a leap to see her staying with Quinn.
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I guess Quinn never read the evil overlord manual, especially the whole part about not leaving loose ends around.
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I never thought this show could make me want to take a cold shower but yikes. I sincerely hope this season ends with Quinn getting his pecker slashed off and being forced to live like that for the rest of his life.
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"Sonny, I want you to join me as my personal bodyguard and assassin" "Yes I was a clipper but I don't kill people anymore, this sword (an ironic choice, yes) that I took is evidence of my vow to not kill again even when they tell me to finish them (except for an abbot who asked me to a short time later), but I'm willing to make an exception to go kill the widow I guess" "Great, go do it, and take a dozen of my men!" *impulsively decides to save the window and kill the dozen men who came with him* From now on every time Sonny says he is no longer a killer, Baji should just say "No, at least twenty since I met you"
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May 9, 2017 04:27
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I feel like Sonny is just a complete wild card at this point, I wouldn't want anything to do with him because you have no idea who he'll decide to kill, or why.
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He said he doesn't kill FOR people anymore. He'll still kill whomever he wants though.
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So we're going with Widow was Flea right? (do we need spoiler tags in this thread?) When MK saw that kid get the Dark sucked out, did the kid die or did MK just run? I forget.. Theories on where the Dark goes or how it gets "lost"? (it was getting sucked outta that kid, I think?) Master drinking it vampire style for eternal life? I don't pay enough attention to this series. I'm not super into it but I still enjoy it.
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Knee posted:So we're going with Widow was Flea right? (do we need spoiler tags in this thread?) (about the kid you mentioned) I don't remember seeing the kid die, and as we know about Baji's pupil, de-powering doesn't mean death. Yeah, I figured Widow being Flea was obvious as soon as Baji told the story. She's the only person besides Baji and the Abbotts that knew about special people going dark, and had that book about the fabled promised land. I was surprised we didn't get a reaction shot from Baji looking through the window, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that revelation being the cliffhanger of next week's episode... ...which would mean RIP Baji  because we already know in the preview that Quinn's clipper tells Sonny that Widow gave Veil over to Quinn and Sonny turns on her men. There is no way Baji would let Sonny kill Widow, so....
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:(about the kid you mentioned) I don't remember seeing the kid die, and as we know about Baji's pupil, de-powering doesn't mean death. Nick Frost is too good and cool for us to have him for more than a season of Enter the Badlands. I kind of feel like he just wanted to be in a rad kung-fu series and got the part based on that, in my view he's the biggest star they've had on the show so far, so it's hard to imagine him going through a conventional casting process. I was sure he was just gonna be in like two episodes at the start but when he stuck around I was like hell yeah, this'll be fun, and it has been!
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So why are we kind of being led to believe that the abbots are bad? The master keeps secrets/lies... but this Dark poo poo is the kind of "forbidden knowledge" stuff that you'd have to climb the ranks to know all the details about in any shaolin/ninja type of training. The master's pretty old if not ancient, right? She's training people to control their Darkness and not revealing all the details about it right off the bat to any jack-off/troublemaker that shows up. Only the disciplined, over time presumably. Also, seemingly, maybe, removing it from those who can't/won't control it, which doesn't seem to kill them. Do I have that wrong? Or maybe it's just the characters that have it wrong, not that the audience is supposed to believe their (MK, etc.) confusion?
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Going back a bit to the Journey to the West comparison. If MK, not Sonny, is the monkey king perhaps he will get his powers back. The Master taking away his powers is like Guan Yin dropping a mountain on Monkey, imprisoning him until he serves is purpose, i.e. escorting Veil to Azra. Baji is Bajie that's pretty clear. Sonny could be the sand monk? His new sword is really similar to a ringed crescent spade. His backstory involves being a general in heaven before being cast out after a transgression and he wears a necklace made of the skulls of all the people he murdered. So that matches up with being a former regent and all his tattoos.
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bamhand posted:Going back a bit to the Journey to the West comparison. MK...Monkey King? Makes sense to me.
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Monkey King is also know as Song Wu Kong so Sonny could kinda work too. He's also the badass fighter and main character in the story which more matches up with Sonny's character on the show.
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bamhand posted:Monkey King is also know as Song Wu Kong so Sonny could kinda work too. He's also the badass fighter and main character in the story which more matches up with Sonny's character on the show. Oh I know it's just funny how the whole theory has multiple levels on it.
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MK has to get his powers back since he 'lost them' off-screen and mentions it being gone sometime later; like i imagine burning yourself out in a dream is different from the acupuncture myotomy and that its more psychological maybe he'll have some epiphany where he didnt actually kill his mother and then suddenly he has the powers back and controls them also is he the only gifted person we've seen that was able to project energy (throwing the guy onto the spike rack)? I can't remember if anything like that has happened since
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Ack, finally caught up with this latest episode. I had to outright skip most of the Quinn and Veil scenes. This show seems to think it wants to be Game of Thrones now and that's not a compliment. I did hear that one line where Veil finally talked about why she saved him, though! It's...literally just a line going "I couldn't let him die," but...well, that's exactly what I asked for, so I guess I can't complain anymore.  All that being said? Most of this episode was actually pretty good, with actual decent stuntwork all around. After various episodes of various characters mostly just...sitting around in one place doing nothing, it's nice to see everyone constantly on the go all the time. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 03:00 on May 13, 2017 |
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PunkBoy posted:
And on Mother's Day... I don't think she's dead though. More importantly is Nick Frost staying on beyond this season because he is definitely the best thing about this new season. Would totally watch a spin off with him and Wu on a road trip just getting caught up in poo poo
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We literally just did watch half a season of that.
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Why did the widow attack Sunny? It didn't really seem to make any sense
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cuz they have tried to murder eachother before
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Rocksicles posted:We literally just did watch half a season of that. Fair call but it's not enough.  I'd seriously watch it over more Baron politics or the Tilda love triangle Oasx posted:Why did the widow attack Sunny? It didn't really seem to make any sense [spoiler]She knew that Sunny didn't believe her when Quinn's Colt/Clipper said that the Widow actually sold Veil to Quinn. She was going to take him out before he made a move on her/spoiler]
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I'm wondering if something got messed up in the writing on this one -Widow refers to the shadow power as a gift when they arrive, which only people from the monastery know. MK never picks up on it -Widow talks to MK about the book and directly says "we can restore our gifts with it". MK seems to not catch what she said -MK meets Baji and tells him "She said we could get our gifts back with the book" so he clearly did hear it. -Baji then reveals Widow is Flea and MK has his MIND BLOWN I mean I can understand where he wouldnt specifically know she's Flea, it's a plot thing that the audience would know because of how it's introduced and from the recaps every episode, but he should have acknowledged some degree of surprise or revelation that she must be from the monastery and formerly had the dark power.
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LentThem posted:I'm wondering if something got messed up in the writing on this one This would require MK not being a complete master of suckitude and waste of screen time.
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Int may have been MK's dump stat.
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OB_Juan posted:Int may have been MK's dump stat. And also charisma.
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Finale was a bit of a let down but the worst part is probably that, from Frost's twitter, it looks like that's it for Beijie. drat
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Kegslayer posted:Finale was a bit of a let down but the worst part is probably that, from Frost's twitter, it looks like that's it for Beijie. Scissors? Really?
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How many times was Quinn shanked in vital areas and still able to jump and fight like it was nothing, not even getting into his brain tumor that's been growing for a year? Also, way to skimp out on showing the MK/Widow fight. I swear, Sunny already reached Quinn's lair by the 29 minute mark so I thought we'd get a lot of time on that storyline too, but instead it's just a bunch of Quinn's mooks and people able to miraculously survive huge rear end explosions left and right. This was a pretty good season too. Really kind of dropped the ball here.
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Lol that was a real short affair we had together, Into the Badlands, but I think I'm done with you now.
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MiddleOne posted:Haha what happened Quinn took about a half dozen sword impalements to his torso before finally dying. And then a....numbers station got activated? I'm not entirely sure.
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