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a new study bible! posted:Yeah and isn't the reason that they were previously thought to be edible because they are only poison for some parts of the year, but at other times they are fine? If you're a healthy human being you're probably fine, but if your body is already compromised from malnourishment (as McCandless' almost certainly was) then they can be lethal.
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Moridin920 posted:it's like those people who leap from one relationship to the next because they can't stand being alone with themselves Well thry certainly can't stand being with you
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Rutibex posted:hermit protip: develop multiple personalities Better protip: develop immunities from multiple types of natural toxins and learn how to butcher and preserve meat.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:28
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Oscar Wild posted:Better protip: develop immunities from multiple types of natural toxins and learn how to butcher and preserve meat. Best protip: find a job and eke out a modest existence until cancer or the simple passage of time claims you
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exquisite tea posted:If you're a healthy human being you're probably fine, but if your body is already compromised from malnourishment (as McCandless' almost certainly was) then they can be lethal. Yea, and he was still just REALLY roughing it; he would have just been malnourished and weaker but very much alive if he hadn't eaten what nobody knew to be poison. Like, if he'd killed and properly preserved something along the of a deer he probably would have been able to get out of there. I have sympathy for that. Dude was kind of dumb for going out there like that but it's not like he tried to climb Everest with that equipment. He was still on a trail mild enough to get a bus out there on. He could have brought emergency rations and still starved to death if he'd been weak and eaten those seeds.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:33
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protip: seek the gateway to your own heart.
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Tumble posted:Yea, and he was still just REALLY roughing it; he would have just been malnourished and weaker but very much alive if he hadn't eaten what nobody knew to be poison. Like, if he'd killed and properly preserved something along the of a deer he probably would have been able to get out of there. If there is a lesson to be learned here it is that for all our purported achievements we are still effortlessly owned before Mother Nature, for she herself will not be fooled.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:02
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5 year plan: become a died-rear end person in a bus to prove nothing about anything to anybody
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exquisite tea posted:If there is a lesson to be learned here it is that for all our purported achievements we are still effortlessly owned before Mother Nature, for she herself will not be fooled. McCandless tries to be the ultimate pickup (bus) artist by negging Mother Nature, ends up alone anyway. The fate of all PUAs
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Mar 29, 2017 18:43
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Secular Humanist posted:5 year plan: become a died-rear end person in a bus to prove nothing about anything to anybody he died doing what he loved
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I once did a 40-mile run on a trail that was marked only by little ribbons tied to trees. I almost missed one of the markers and if I kept going could have gotten for hours in freezing weather out in the middle of the woods in rural NY. That would have been scary as hell on its own, nobody knew where I was supposed to be and I could have gotten injured or worse. Basically the only reason why half of us don't die every other year is because our ancestors carved just enough out of old wood and primitive technology to keep themselves alive, and the second you abandon the comforts of civilization, you're minutes away from death at every turn.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:57
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I will go live inside of mother nature's most beautiful creation: the bus
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Mar 29, 2017 19:11
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thats no bus, THATS MY WIFE!!!!!!!!
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Mar 29, 2017 19:21
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I read the book. Main thing I remember is the guy just wouldn't listen to locals anywhere. In Alaska, they told him he was coming at the wrong time of the year to do it. Don't show up just as the thaw is happening.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:29
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donkey salami posted:I read the book. Main thing I remember is the guy just wouldn't listen to locals anywhere. The brutal irony of McCandless is that he thought by living as a vagabond he was rejecting a life of superficiality and privilege, when in fact it was his own privilege that blinded him to the very real dangers of roughing it in the Alaskan wilderness.
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Tumble posted:He was still on a trail mild enough to get a bus out there on. Did the bus get there in the summer though? 'Cuz Alaska seasons change wildly. idk if the locals tell him 'absolutely you should not do this' and he does it anyway like  the locals know better than you man
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Going from memory, so please excuse any errors. That bus was left there because of miners using the stampede trail to get to and from the mine. Basically abandoned because,  , get a wrecker through the Alaskan bush to recover it.Dude went in in the dead of winter, hosed up a number of small things, started to run low on rice. Dysentery struck and he made one or two attempts to hike the 20 or so miles back to the closest town, just to find he was trapped by the spring thaw and the raging river that criss crosses the trail. Goes back to camp and his body begins to deteriorate, despite eating tons of rabbits. Rabbit starvation was one of the things thought to have contributed to his demise, btw. Finally, he becomes too weak, his food reserves run out, he dies of exposure and extreme malnutrition. I think he was something like 83 pounds when they recovered his body.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:40
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Pawn 17 posted:He would have been fine if he had been more tactical. Always have the necessary tools for the job! https://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWPENBK-Tactical-Pen/dp/B0026W4ZW4
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VendaGoat posted:Rabbit starvation See that's some poo poo I would not have known about and probably would have hosed up on if I didn't learn about wilderness stuff first quote:Rabbit eaters, if they have no fat from another source—beaver, moose, fish—will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude and vague discomfort. If there are enough rabbits, the people eat till their stomachs are distended; but no matter how much they eat they feel unsatisfied. drat lol
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it's also called "mal de caribou" or bad of the caribou. hth
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donkey salami posted:I read the book. Main thing I remember is the guy just wouldn't listen to locals anywhere. This doesn't make sense. You thaw food before you can eat it.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:48
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lot of smug softies in this thread who woulda known better he did some very cool poo poo and died young and happy. like most people i am programmed to enjoy the bullshit creature comforts of modernity (posting this while making GBS threads into perfectly clean water btw) but he clearly was not, and i find that rather admirable
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ah yes scribbling incoherently as you starve to death after declaring in the journal that your legs stopped working, I think we can all agree thats how we all want to go out.
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Jesse Ventura posted:lot of smug softies in this thread who woulda known better yep we know better than to wander mapless into a frozen hellscape as evidenced by the fact we are still alive and he is not. DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
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Mar 29, 2017 19:54
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"i admire this idiot that refused to listen to the advice and help of others due to his sheer baseless arrogance."
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Secular Humanist posted:moral of the story: nature doesnt care how much white guilt you have. Nature made female spiders and mantids devour their mates after copulation because all they're good for is sperm and nutrients to nourish her unborn young.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Always have the necessary tools for the job! You could probably kill a bear with that pen and then use it as a straw to drink bear blood. Very tactical.
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a new study bible! posted:Yeah and isn't the reason that they were previously thought to be edible because they are only poison for some parts of the year, but at other times they are fine? Part of the problem is that in a healthy person, the toxin doesn't have much effect. However if you've been living off of whatever small game and random flora you can scavenge for a few months, your body isn't going to be able to handle it too well. I think the prevailing theory is that a mixture of rabbit starvation, which is caused by getting your protein from extremely lean meat from small game, and the toxins from the seeds caused his paralysis and death.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:07
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dumbass should have just ordered a pizza imo
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my bat mitzvah ROCKED posted:dumbass should have just ordered a pizza imo yeah whenever i am lost i order a pizza and catch a ride back, the dominoes on main street is my equilibrium
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I ship the into the wild guy and the grizzly man guy
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you find all sorts of weird poo poo back in the bush when areas that used to be readily accessible get abandoned and overgrown. it really doesn't take long for nature to reclaim its territory especially up there
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my bat mitzvah ROCKED posted:dumbass should have just ordered a pizza imo Pizza will give you the necessary fat and carbs to avoid rabbit starvation. Good tip.
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moose's tooth pizza is pretty bomb if you ever find yourself in anchortown protip: they won't deliver to denali
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Jesse Ventura posted:lot of smug softies in this thread who woulda known better He died starving, miserable, and terrified.
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spank my snatch posted:He died starving, miserable, and terrified. and it was very easily preventable with a little knowledge and the right gear
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It's truly admirable how he went into the woods and died, we should all be so brave
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rezatahs posted:and it was very easily preventable with a little knowledge and the right gear OR just being on the right side of the river. He could have been literally naked and stilll rescued if he wasn't on the wrong side of a river.
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Society is stupid, man. Every person should live a solitary life in the woods, eating poisonous seeds until they are dead
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