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Good Dumplings posted:Also good luck resolution associates!!! Nice. Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: JACKAMANIA RUNS WILD!
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Good Dumplings posted:Also good luck resolution associates!!! That's a thing of beauty! It's only a matter of time until I have an investigator from Interpol knocking on my door...
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Apr 1, 2017 12:53
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I like Jack , since we went with sleek euro trash for our gear, doubling down on that polished exterior seems like a good call.
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Apr 1, 2017 13:58
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Puttin in for Jack We can help him out if several hundred pages of evidence needs to suddenly vanish in a fiery catastrophe.
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Apr 1, 2017 14:15
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I hear tell Jack Abramoff has a lot of experience dealing with the Indians, and flying jets too.
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A quick update. The scenario is complete. I'll strip out the hostile aircraft and let you guys explore it. But first I'll give you an effort post about the mission requirements. As of right now I'm sticking to actual, reduced, air wings. They just might be air wings from another theatre location. I'm hoping to have stuff from the voice actors by Monday so you'll actually get to hear characters like Klaus. More on that to come!
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Apr 1, 2017 15:41
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Sounds like Jack's my man.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:26
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I would like to fly the transport planes. My name's Whiskey Delta 69.
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 Our new Lobbyist, Jack Abramoff (17 votes for Jack, 5 for Jimmy, 4 for Zack) is already hot on the job and has a dinner scheduled with the Indian Ambassador. Following drinks they'll be meeting with some South African weapons representatives. More to come on that later. But first, our Mission.  The UN / Indian Air Force has allowed us to use the North Lakhimpur Airport. The facilities are pretty spartan but will suit our needs. As we only have one airstrip we can only launch limited planes at a time. Please plan accordingly. The UN Food Relief Agency is loading up two C-130J cargo planes at Dibrugarh Airport. This facility is absolutely swamped. The infrastructure heading North is not sufficient to deliver the supplies so this is the number one conduit. Our mission is to provide air cover for the C-130's heading to Nyingchi Airport in Tibet. Once they land a pair C-17A Globemasters carrying personnel from Médecins Sans Frontières will head back to Dibrugarh. There is a UN mandated no fly zone to our west. Chinese aircraft may approach the line but not cross it. Same with any TLA assets. At the same time the Indian Army wants to send a message to a militia group that is thinking of joining the TLA. We have GPS coordinates to a bridge and orders to destroy it. The bridge area may be defended by AAA, 1970's vintage. Any other hostile assets noted can be destroyed.  Mission Schedule
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I'll be doing a short video on missions and get that to you guys soonish. Until then please feel free to plan as you'd like. From you guys I'll need planning and loadout ideas. Loadout Options   Unfortunately it seems that Jimmy tried to get into the country to work for the TLA. .pdf.png)
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Alright, looks like I'm in with the mud movers (which is fine by me, the SK 60 is pretty  ). Assuming we get to go up to bat at some point, unfortunately I'm not very confident in my ability to pick out loadouts that don't suck, so I'm not going to weigh in there. I think the fighter jockeys should lead the planning since their mission (escorting the transports) is arguably the more important one.Some enterprising goon might want to mark down the various salient points (like the Indian Army exercise area) etc. In the meantime I'll look up '70s SAMs and MANPADS to see what we might be up against. Also I know nothing about either of these games, so I'm relying wholly on being a massive milsperg. e: I am an idiot the SK60B doesn't have much in the way of loadout options, so I needn't have worried. 
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Apr 1, 2017 18:27
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Meanwhile, I understand some-to-none of the words in the armament section. I hope you folks buy farms slowly enough for me to learn the ropes by the time I have to bomb hostile watering holes or some poo poo.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:29
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How's the weather been? Cloudy or clear?
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Apr 1, 2017 18:34
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How do you think the 135mm rockets will do on the bridge? Sounds like we may want to send the Sk 60Bs to the bridge (running low and slow through the valleys) while the Gripens run with the cargo planes.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:34
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In regards to loadouts I can definitely help. For anti-air missions we have Meteors or IRIS-t's. The Meteor is roughly $1.75 mil per missile compared to $400k on the IRIS. Everything else is ground or anti-ship. For the attack aircraft it's pretty much big dumb missiles or bigger dumb missiles. K&P has an announcement in regard to the JAS 39's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUU_daggLIA
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Apr 1, 2017 18:35
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Tetraptous posted:How's the weather been? Cloudy or clear? Clear. chitoryu12 posted:How do you think the 135mm rockets will do on the bridge? Sounds like we may want to send the Sk 60Bs to the bridge (running low and slow through the valleys) while the Gripens run with the cargo planes. The bridge is pretty much this :  You toss in some 135mm rockets (6" diameter) and you're going to gently caress it up. A full flight of SK60's is 72 of the 135mm missiles.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:38
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Yooper posted:The bridge is pretty much this : That's a good sign. Our Sk 60s are COIN aircraft for the most part, and I think they can handle 1970s-era MANPADS and guns with caution. Our Gripens are better served as rapid response escorts for the cargo planes.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:42
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Those planes are going to be super vulnerable compared to the Gripens though. Don't think they even have an RWR or decoys. If engaged, odds are the pilot won't know it until too late.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:50
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chitoryu12 posted:How do you think the 135mm rockets will do on the bridge? Sounds like we may want to send the Sk 60Bs to the bridge (running low and slow through the valleys) while the Gripens run with the cargo planes. 135mm is pretty hefty, so we should hopefully be fine on that count. I agree our best bet is to go low, though I'd argue we want to belt it so that enemy air defences have only a limited amount of time to acquire and engage us. However, we need to keep this in mind: quote:As we only have one airstrip we can only launch limited planes at a time. Please plan accordingly. So we can't surge aircraft willy-nilly. Also a casual look on Wikipedia (yes, I know) indicates that the SAMs/MANPADS we may possibly encounter (focusing only on the "'70s" caveat) are Kubs , Strela-2s, Chaparrals, Crotales, Rapiers, Blowpipe (lol) and Osas. I've excluded systems like the S-300 and Buk because it seems unlikely that random rebels would have access to sophisticated equipment like that. My list is predominantly Soviet because I imagine that most systems present will be Soviet in design. I've included some late 1960s vintage systems due to the vagueness of the intel. It's not much but it may be useful.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:51
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Haven't looked at this in detail, but some initial observations/desired details: 1. We definitely want our pocket AWACS up for this. But on the plus side, in terms of flight time/$$$, we don't need our transport plane. We need to look at the range involved here and decide if we need our tanker up or just want drop tanks on our fighters, at the expense of limiting their maneuvering. 2. Our AWACS plane should have a couple fighters escorting it 3. An overlay with radar ranges/possible threats would be helpful
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Apr 1, 2017 18:51
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Stool Pigeon-1, willing to attempt a gun run on the bridge in order to save costs. Also happy to use the cheaper IRIS missiles.
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I'll have to run through the exact loadout options in a sec but just to get my current idea out there. A pair of Gripens for each of the escort runs with full CAP loadouts with Meteors, plus one pair loaded with mix of Mavericks (RB75) and IR A2A missiles to suppress the enemy AAA while our SK60's aircraft roll in with the rockets, very quick strike ...one pass and haul rear end. AWACS will be running at a safe distance the whole while. This should give us plenty of flexibility to move to any flashpoint should any contact be made outside of the ground strike
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Apr 1, 2017 18:55
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Nice, I'm our tanker pilot. That seems appropriate for Big Pig. Probably not necessary for this mission, as those distances don't look that far? Also find it amusing that our primary mission is defending food due to the infrastructure heading north being poo poo, and the secondary mission is to make infrastructure in the north even more poo poo. 
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It may also be useful for us ("us" being the strike pilots) to try to figure out a good ingress and egress route that provides concealment from enemy anti-air. I agree with Enfield303 in that we'll probably only have one opportunity to take a crack at the bridge before everyone with a missile and a cocky attitude wakes up. Remember: speed is life!
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Apr 1, 2017 19:05
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Soup Inspector posted:Also a casual look on Wikipedia (yes, I know) indicates that the SAMs/MANPADS we may possibly encounter (focusing only on the "'70s" caveat) are Kubs , Strela-2s, Chaparrals, Crotales, Rapiers, Blowpipe (lol) and Osas. I've excluded systems like the S-300 and Buk because it seems unlikely that random rebels would have access to sophisticated equipment like that. My list is predominantly Soviet because I imagine that most systems present will be Soviet in design. I've included some late 1960s vintage systems due to the vagueness of the intel. It's not much but it may be useful. The mission description specified MANPADs, so I think that puts vehicles like the Kubs and Chaparral out. More likely stuff like Grails or maybe old Redeyes.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:06
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Yikes, making a profit on this mission is gonna be tight, given the air to air missile choices
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Yikes, making a profit on this mission is gonna be tight, given the air to air missile choices This is why I think we should at most put up three Gripens in the air, or if we do put them all out we keep the others on hold fire. We need to minimize costs, which means we cannot commit too much to this mission.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:26
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I think we can afford to lose money on one mission if it means we'll actually complete it. My recommendation is that we use our AWACS to keep an eye out for anything that might hurt the transports from BVR ranges. IMO, our plan should be to have a pair of Gripens for both flights of aid and one pair as a rapid response group. As for the bridge, I'd recommend a stand-off attack with something lasing the drat thing. First impressions are important, people.
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Triple A posted:I think we can afford to lose money on one mission if it means we'll actually complete it. My recommendation is that we use our AWACS to keep an eye out for anything that might hurt the transports from BVR ranges. IMO, our plan should be to have a pair of Gripens for both flights of aid and one pair as a rapid response group. As for the bridge, I'd recommend a stand-off attack with something lasing the drat thing. What's the cost division on a single Gripen dropping a laser-guided bomb versus a few Sk 60s flying in with rocket pods? Edit: A Paveway is $46,000 while a 135mm rocket is $2800. We can fire 16 rockets for the same cost as one bomb.
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chitoryu12 posted:What's the cost division on a single Gripen dropping a laser-guided bomb versus a few Sk 60s flying in with rocket pods? I'd rather make it so that we won't lose any airframes on our first missions. Besides, would you like to meet the people you were trying to bomb?
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Apr 1, 2017 19:32
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I'm so happy that y'alls decided to go with arms dealer Klaus
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How far can each of our planes fly safely without drop tanks? With? Tibet is a big place, so I expect our fuel not to last very long. However, the flight heading south doesn't leave till the northbound flight has landed. And a Paveway is cheap enough we can send a Gripen over and drop two and expect to get a mission kill. So, we probably only need 5-6 aircraft max this mission. Refueling, AWACS, and 3-4 Gripens: Two for flight escort north and back, and 1-2 for dropping paveways on a bridge from a distance.
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Apr 1, 2017 20:00
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A Paveway or two would basically guarantee loving that bridge with very little risk to our airframes. A low run with dumb rockets is probably going to end up more expensive if we use more than 1 plane, and has a much higher risk of having holes put in our new toys.
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Apr 1, 2017 20:01
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Will we have any opportunity to refuel at Nyingchi Airport after the northbound escort or do we need to do this all in one run with drop tanks or aerial refueling?
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If there's room and/or need for another pilot, callsign Nurse is reporting. E: As the current roster is full, Nurse will hog the simulator and drink Jeremiah Weed until needed.
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Crazycryodude posted:A Paveway or two would basically guarantee loving that bridge with very little risk to our airframes. A low run with dumb rockets is probably going to end up more expensive if we use more than 1 plane, and has a much higher risk of having holes put in our new toys. Yeah we need to ensure the mission actually gets completed first and foremost. We can probably get this done with 4 airframes: 2 Gripens in air defense mode, the AWACS, and a single bridge-busting Gripen. We can add another Gripen if we want to keep the AWACS protected from any TLA surprises or if the Chinese get frisky.
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Yeah, going in low in the riverbed would be good in avoiding radar, but that's almost ideal ground for MANPADS, unless they're clustered around the bridge. Can one Grippen laze the target for another? Can they self laze? For maximum fuckery, there's mountain to the south-southwest of the bridge... crest the top 1,3 miles away from the target, fire rockets/drop bombs, tear rear end out of there, hiding back behind the mountain from the MANPADS (assuming they don't inhabit the area around there).  Now this map might be too technical for some of you, but I produced it on the best napkin I could find. The red-blue are our paying mission routes. The black is a 600+ kilo run for the bombs. Follow the escort flight about half way, divert towards 1, go low, follow the river to 2, then go through the valley towards X, where you crest the mountain and have to options - either going by the river and then attacking the bridge (though it wouldn't give you a lot of time to acquire the target, and that river valley might be full angry alternative employers) or going over the mountain I mentioned in the begining of the missive. Sure, flying low might not be that easy and you'll upset a lot of civilians, but you do what you must to blow up bridges while supporting humanitarian efforts.
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We should send in a flight with mavericks to attack enemy anti-air assets . That way we can use unguided munitions and save the LGBS for a tougher target.
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Good Dumplings posted:Also good luck resolution associates!!! This is good but the real test of a PMC's marketing/pr department is the first time we bomb a place of worship.
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chitoryu12 posted:The mission description specified MANPADs, so I think that puts vehicles like the Kubs and Chaparral out. More likely stuff like Grails or maybe old Redeyes. Yeah, somehow I got confused and thought everyone had SAMs (though it'd be a very well dressed insurgent that wears a Kub, I suppose). Because AAA was mentioned as a possibility, here's some hypothetical AAA we could see: M51 Skysweeper, Oerlikon 20mm, Oerlikon GDF (possibly with Skyguard radars), Type 63, or ZU-23-2. This is by no means an exhaustive list and excludes WW2 types!
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