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bibliosabreur posted:How worried are we about the MANPADS, really? If the Herk transits above 15kft AGL, they shouldn't be a problem. The only scenario I can see the MANPADS being a threat is if they're squirreled up close, near the airbase itself. OOC : We're probably going to have to get some ground units. The new terrain and cover model in CMO can make detection challenging. And by challenging I mean drone flying over EMCON cold SAM in cover and not seeing it. I think it's pretty realistic as a bulldozer in cover is going to be very difficult to detect. For this mission I've added a bunch of Caravan's (GAZ Tigr's named after different RV's & Motorhomes). They are on a roving patrol and we can't control them. Kind of like a blind squirrel roaming for a nut. The terrain model is new and making me re-learn some of my concepts. This is cool, and it's going to add another layer. Unfortunately the HELLADS can not target ground units. It can, however, roast a bote.
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 Operation Destructive Interference is complete and it was a success. The SA-11 and SA-17's proved to be deadly and the JF-17's attempted to go around our patrol area and zap the C-130 but luckily we edged them out. Talks are currently ongoing between the French and the Niger government. Already additional patrols of Rafale's and a D'assault NEURON are scouring the Algerian desert for those drone bases. More details to come! quote:SIDE: Hired Goons I'll get the video uploaded tomorrow.
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May 11, 2020 02:59
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power crystals posted:Wait did I miss a stream somehow or is this just details mentioned in the discord that I probably should have joined like three years ago? OOC and Spoilers below. Erm, it seems I did forget to post a link in the thread. Welp. Detection Chat. Those drones. I'm going to perform some more testing but like people mentioned on Discord, we've always had an air based AEW platform. As far as ground units go, yes, they are going to be hard to find. One issue I had with CMANO was the ease at which aircraft detected ground stuff. Now I think it feels about right in CMO. It's going to be how to strike a balance between known targets, unknown (but foreshadowed) threats, and surprises. There was actually 5 drone bases and 3 drone launch trucks. On top of that there was like 20 civilian truck units rolling around. The SA-17's and SA-11 were found and killed, but only because they went EMCON hot (2 out of 3) every 15 minutes for 1 minute. Previously in my testing they went undiscovered until they fired upon our units. So I made them flip-flop and at least go hot at intervals. At that we still lost planes to them. There was 8 MANPADs and about 20 infantry spotters. We never saw a single recon team and I think the drone detected one MANPAD prior to it firing. The SU-24's ate a comical amount of Stingers and just kept on with the mission. I knew detection would be tough, I've underestimated just how tough it was going to be. God forbid if we get into an actual jungle. Though at that point we'll need infantry or something.
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May 11, 2020 12:17
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bibliosabreur posted:However...absolutely no promises on anything being able to spot MANPADS. For those, I propose a hard floor of 12,000 ft for all missions unless specifically ordered otherwise. Going forward, I think we may need to accept that there are just going to be a lot of things, potentially important things, that we won't be able to see on our own, and that even with expanded recon assets we'll need to work with others to be able to find anything on the ground. I'm going to do some testing on detection and find out what is reasonable. I believe we saw MANPADS engage targets above 12,000 ft, though the drone could have been 12,000 ASL, and not AGL.
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May 11, 2020 21:39
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nbe6IKLUM8 (Still processing, might take a bit) The Council of Five (our client) has met with the French delegation and are securing some "technical" aid. We're not exactly sure how that will manifest itself but we know some French syndicates are getting involved with the Niger extraction corporation. In other words, Niger is becoming a conduit north outside of ORMEC controls. Of course the price is still dictated so Niger is getting the benefit without paying the dues.  The organization we faced is second tier, but more importantly not hired by the Nigerian Triumvirate. This is straight up ORMEC. It's still unclear exactly what the mission was as some of the assets were decidedly not for intercepting the French C-130. We think the biggest fear of ORMEC is a rail line connecting Niger and the Algerian coast. But back to Nigeria!  The Nigerians have brought in outside contractors to upgrade air fields. Notably revetments, increased access points, and they are currently adding taxiways that double as back up runways. There is rumor of a Swedish style road basing system but S2 doesn't believe they have the technical skill to make it happen. Beyond just technical help is secondary ops teams on retainer to cover other portions of the country. HAMMER is now devoted solely to Anti-Hired Goons ops. Before we head into the next mission phase we are being asked by the Niger Council of Five to advise on expenditures. 1. Upgrade airbases (Will take border bases and beef them up) 2. Install Radars (Will get coverage of the border, probably won't be modern and awesome) 3. SAMs on the border (Middle of the road, shorter range, but some striking ability) 4. Invest in civilian/industrial infrastructure to increase earnings. (We'll see a larger potential payout down the road) Pick one!
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May 12, 2020 01:31
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TheDemon posted:So in terms of recon asset that aren't useless, my list isn't complete, notably the only helicopters I've gone over are Russian, but here's what I've got: The Gorgon Stare is so next level I almost have to discard it. It will find ground targets like trucks, tanks and SAM's, consistently, at 38-40nm. It'll detect ground units at 15nm. With targets in woodland terrain types the detection level is cut in half. In built up terrain (cities) it was cut in half once again. The Patroller for comparison could not find anything in urban areas regardless of loadout and nothing in mixed forest until it was at 2nm range. A Mirage F1CR with SLAR did well, 20-30nm, but detected nothing in urban environments. SR-71 performance is comparable to Gorgon Stare. U-2 is about 15nm detection range (at 85k ft) I think we'll see less "hunt this" and more "there's something near here, go kill it" missions. Finding stuff is hard.
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May 12, 2020 13:48
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Can't we just beef up HUMINT to account for the fact that we now know that there's something near there, go kill it? I am here for Zebbas 2 through 19 Zebba's Caravaneers might get some professional assistance because yah, HUMINT makes up for some of the detection deficiencies.
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May 12, 2020 14:27
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Or we could do it with rocket artillery.. https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1259584360275116033?s=20
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May 12, 2020 16:05
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Reconchat. This is the F-4 from above. First pass at 36,000 ft gave zero detections. 2nd pass at 12,000 ft detected a T-90 platoon t 3nm and BUK at 3.4 nm. If it did not get within 3.6nm it couldn't detect poo poo. Dropping to 2,000 ft brought the average up a hair to 4nm. The Coast Guard MPA gave similar results. Our UAV, the Patroller, gives about the same performance. Our friend the Gorgon Stare. 40 nm average detection distance. It would be nice to find something between the two, but given where we're at I think we'll adjust mission requirements. It makes it much more challenging for you guys to work a "Find then kill" instead of "identify and kill".
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May 13, 2020 18:06
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TheDemon posted:The recon Viggen, TARPS-DI Tomcat, and Condor2 F-16 from my post should be in the "in between" category. Recon Viggen gives us 4nm at 12,000 ft. Zero detection at 36,000 ft. Condor2 is 5nm at 12,000 ft, zero at 36,000 ft. TARPS is 2 nm at 12,000 ft, zero detection at higher altitudes. Gorgon Stare, according to DARPA, should have a functional range of 10km square. I'm trying to get some more info as to why CMO thinks it should look out 40nm.
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May 13, 2020 20:06
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The Triumvirate is unhappy. ORMEC has stepped in to a situation that the Nigerian Trio felt was under control. This is good for our client as it creates instability in the organization without doing anything crazy. But they want to bring the focus back on Nigeria and away from the ORMEC alliance.  But this hasn't kept the Nigerian Corporate Security group from purchasing some BUK's and sticking them on the border with Niger. We need these to go somewhere else. Our little venture to the North and the added presence of HAMMER has the Triumvirate feeling nice and safe.  Our client wants us to run a harassment op and also an anti-shipping op. Except the goal is to clear out a path for the HMS Liquid Asset to deploy something special... Blow up dolls. Blow up dolls that are anatomically correct and parodies of the Triumvirate. Each of these dolls has a small CO2 cartridge that will inflate the doll after an hour in the ocean. Based on the tides and current thousands of blow up dolls will wash ashore on the most popular beaches in Nigeria. In order to do it we will need to keep the air space clear of ASW assets and also remove some Nigerian naval forces. Just knocking them out in a shorter op should be enough. More details are to follow.  Our recent issues have brought out a PMC with questionable morales but immense capacity. News Corp. They are running a few U-2's along with MQ-9's sporting everyones' favorite asset... the Gorgon Stare. They will, for a fee, run recon. (Props to Sabre and Orcbuster for this one) What is the fee? We will pay a pair of either AIM-120C's or KH-31's for each hour on station. 6 hours on station could cost a dozen AIM-120C's. Once the mission map is up we'll go into planning and voting.
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May 15, 2020 01:46
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power crystals posted:I thought this was going to be a thing that each mission planner could opt into rather than a vote beforehand. Am I misunderstanding? Mission Planner will trade Missiles for U-2 time / Drone time. Warmachine posted:Is Murdoch dead in this timeline? Yes, but the joke is he's alive Futurama style with his head in a jar. As with most corporations once the founder is gone it becomes an amalgamation of MBA's, Accountants, Lawyer's, and "wealth extraction specialists".
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Planning Map With our friends in Nigeria otherwise tied up in the North we've got a chance to get in without too much interference. The goal, clear a path for the Liquid Asset to get off of one of two beaches. If we clean up both beaches then the Liquid Asset will transit both. If not, we can still succeed with one beach cleared. Once we clear the immediate ASW threat the Liquid Asset will go in and deploy the deployables.  There's a few things here. I'll start with what we know. First, Type 056 frigates near Port Harcourt. They may have small patrol boat escorts and seem to be focused off the near coast. These were sold from the Nigerian Government to "Popeye's Naval Support LLC". There is also a Hamilton Class vessel that may be operating but last we heard is stuck in Port Harcourt for repairs. East of Port Harcourt is a wing of Nigerian Corporate Security running BAE-HAWKS.  There is a dozen Lynx ASW Helicopters (also run by Popeye's) that are operating out of Benin City. They may also have an MPA of some sort as some Japanese P-3's recently went off the market. Further south of Lagos is the most immediate threat.  This angry little beast is accompanied by Type 056A's, an ASW variant. These are not crewed by Popeye's but what we think is a group of Chinese "Volunteers" who are training Nigerian Corporate Security. This is a modern package and will give the Liquid Asset a run for its money. Oh, and there's F-16's in Lagos, an older variant run by our friends at HAMMER. We can base out of Benin, Cameroon, or on Malabo Island. If you've got another creative location in mind, let me know. AIM-120C  KH-31  As a reminder, you can trade a pair of weapons above for an hour of flight time. In this case it looks pretty generous. The KH-31's will fire on the Type 054 if it is emitting. edit : Planning map link updated, I hosed it up the first time. https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive...%7D&usp=sharing Yooper fucked around with this message at 12:21 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 00:54
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bibliosabreur posted:All right! I'm hoping to submit a mission plan on this one, but I'm pretty sure I've derped up something and I can't access the map. (I can see the preview all right in Discord, so the link itself is fine, so I think it's something to do with the sharing.) http://cmano-db.com/submarine/37/ Try opening the link in Incognito Mode, it works for me there. If that doesn't work then, uh, not sure.
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May 18, 2020 15:48
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power crystals posted:Given the relative richness of Kh-31s available it seems like trading one pair of them for a single U-2 pass at the start would be a decent exchange. If nothing else it'd help figure out where to put the Patrollers since ships might actually be slower than the drones are. Yes, but with a caveat. This will be one flight. So you could have it spaced a few hours apart and be fine. But, say you want it 12 or 24 hours apart? That's likely beyond the loiter time of the U-2. After our allotted time NewsCorp literally shuts off our feed. Then they can go spy on some B-List Nollywood actor for The Sun or whatever else they do.
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Oh one more thing. The Liquid Asset will be operating with realistic submarine comms. Which means when it is below a certain depth it will operate on previous orders. But, we can summon it from the depths and send more orders. Basically we don't have to escort it all the way in. All we really need to do is kill the botes/Helo/MPA's. Otherwise we'll spend a lot of time watching nothing happen.
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bibliosabreur posted:Yooper, what's the timescale you're looking for for this mission? Because...as it is currently set up, the Liquid Asset is some 360nmi to the closest beach. Running at a somewhat unsafe speed of 10kt, that's some 36 hours away! More realistically, she'll be moving at half that speed, so three whole days before she can hit up even one beach, let alone both. The Liquid Asset is the plot hook, but the time differences between a sub and airplanes make it impractical to go for a 90 hour op. For our purposes kill the targets and consider it done. Quick Turnaround is all good. Using both airbases is cool too. edit : Sabre asked for a list of Eagle Loadouts : 
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